Thread: Thailand : PM to Decide on House Dissolution in 4 Months

it's funny to watch the reds being confused and constantly looking for direction and a leader. Like lost little machines.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

it's funny to watch the reds being confused and constantly looking for direction and a leader.

"Pot Kettle" but you wouldn't understand this little tadpole!

STEP 1; it is very clear what LB is talking about:

Originally Posted by LooseBowels

Quote: Originally Posted by StrontiumDog he said.However, the Pheu Thai Party had a large number of MPs in the North and Northeast. . PT had the majority of elected MP's, after the last democratic elections, but the tampered judiciary soo sorted that out didn't they? You can't argue with that

STEP 2, you attempt to spin and change the argument (and you lie):

Originally Posted by Thaihome

Well, yes you can argue with that because it is incorrect. PTP did not have a majority of the MP after the Dec 07 election (though they were indeed close). They formed a coalition with the Chart Thai and Puea Pandin to get the majority.

STEP 3; I clearly highlight the fact of your dishonesty:

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

^ 'the majority' and 'a majority' are different. Clearly. LB, said 'the majority of elected MP's' which is true. You said 'a majority' which is also true, but out of context, has a very different meaning, and is spinning, as per usual; either that or your reading skills are crap... I'd suggest the former. See, TH, this is why I call you a liar and a spinner. If it was once, it could be a simple error, but it's time after time after time that you spin your lies. The fact is that nobody, except your bumchum Papillion, falls for it...

STEP 4; you further attempt to spin your way out of the fact you were caught red handed:

Originally Posted by Thaihome

BB, your usual personal attack, complete with your stupid video, that you resort to when unable to refute the facts. In a parliamentary system, who has the most MP’s (your “the majority”) is meaningless unless that gives you enough votes to control the house. There is little doubt that LB was trying to infer that the PTT won enough MP’s to control the house, which is patently untrue. He was the one trying to spin, but you choose to ignore that since the spin agrees with your position.

'unable to refute the facts' - you were caught red handed. That fact is clear. It is 100% clear.

'meaningless unless unable to control the house' SPIN... not LB's point at all. not my point at all. Just more of your spin...

You are extremely predictable and pathetic, imho. Of course, you do have the intellectual support of Papillion which is just about right...

^ ???

They are just jointly framing the discourse again. It goes like this:

Next month: 'you must dissolve the house by July'.
The month after: 'you must dissolve the house no later than December 2011.'
A few months later: 'we insist that you dissolve the house by 2013'.
By th end of 2011: 'the Dems must dissolve the house no later than six months later than our next demand'.

This goes on forever (and guess when the elections come: NEVER!)...

http://www.tannetwork.tv/tan/ViewData.aspx?DataID=1038373

Private Sector Worries about Post-Election Politics

UPDATE : 9 December 2010

With voters expected to go to the polls in early 2011, the private sector is voicing its concerns over the political situation after the next general election.

Chavalit Wangthamrong, CEO of Phol Dhanya Public Company, a leading distributor of personal safety equipment, said many entrepreneurs are keeping a close eye on political developments in the country, especially when a general election is expected next year.

Chavalit believes the business sector will likely be influenced by the change in politics after the election, although he remains optimistic that the business environment will continue to be favorable next year.


However, he is calling on the government to speed up its eradication of corruption and provide more help for the general public in terms of lessening living costs.

Chavalit’s comment was made after shares of Phol Dhanya made a debut on the secondary Market for Alternative Investment today.

Share prices more than doubled from the IPO level during the first day's trade.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

STEP 1; it is very clear what LB is talking about:

Originally Posted by LooseBowels

Quote: Originally Posted by StrontiumDog he said.However, the Pheu Thai Party had a large number of MPs in the North and Northeast. . PT had the majority of elected MP's, after the last democratic elections, but the tampered judiciary soo sorted that out didn't they? You can't argue with that

STEP 2, you attempt to spin and change the argument (and you lie):

Originally Posted by Thaihome

Well, yes you can argue with that because it is incorrect. PTP did not have a majority of the MP after the Dec 07 election (though they were indeed close). They formed a coalition with the Chart Thai and Puea Pandin to get the majority.

STEP 3; I clearly highlight the fact of your dishonesty:

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

^ 'the majority' and 'a majority' are different. Clearly. LB, said 'the majority of elected MP's' which is true. You said 'a majority' which is also true, but out of context, has a very different meaning, and is spinning, as per usual; either that or your reading skills are crap... I'd suggest the former. See, TH, this is why I call you a liar and a spinner. If it was once, it could be a simple error, but it's time after time after time that you spin your lies. The fact is that nobody, except your bumchum Papillion, falls for it...

STEP 4; you further attempt to spin your way out of the fact you were caught red handed:

Originally Posted by Thaihome

BB, your usual personal attack, complete with your stupid video, that you resort to when unable to refute the facts. In a parliamentary system, who has the most MP’s (your “the majority”) is meaningless unless that gives you enough votes to control the house. There is little doubt that LB was trying to infer that the PTT won enough MP’s to control the house, which is patently untrue. He was the one trying to spin, but you choose to ignore that since the spin agrees with your position.

'unable to refute the facts' - you were caught red handed. That fact is clear. It is 100% clear.

'meaningless unless unable to control the house' SPIN... not LB's point at all. not my point at all. Just more of your spin...

You are extremely predictable and pathetic, imho. Of course, you do have the intellectual support of Papillion which is just about right...

Very eloquently put Betty.
You are correct , I chose my words there very carefully so as not to misconstrue the situation ,and of course to correct TH's earlier fibs.

you see , in a parliamentary democracy the largest party can form a minority government, thats of course when the military junta dont intervene.

yes indeed the old fart TH has been caught playing with her cock again.
sHe says she is a supporter of Parliamentary Democracy but always runs away from the question of
"where do militaty coups, coup-issued law, and tampered judiciary sit in a Parliamentary Democracy"

To much Butt I reckon.
PS like the spinning vid, that must really irk the old sad donkey

You cannot argue with that

PM says House dissolution in March or April

PM says House dissolution in March or April

วันศุกร์ ที่ 10 ธ.ค. 2553

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BANGKOK, Dec 10 -- Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said Friday he could dissolve the House of Representatives either in March or April, and call for a fresh general election if peace prevails in Thailand, the economy improves and, most importantly, election rules are acceptable to every concerned party.

Mr Abhisit told journalists as Thailand is celebrating its Constitution Day on Friday that he is prepared to dissolve the House after the amending of the Constitution is completed.

The House could be dissolved either in March or April, Mr Abhisit said, adding that he would also observe situation in the country after the emergency decree is lifted in Bangkok and other provinces, most likely before the year-end, as a New Year gift for people.

Under the Constitution, the current coalition government's term will end in Dec 2011. The last general election was held in the country on Dec 23, 2007.

On a plan to revoke the emergency decree, Mr Abhisit said if the lifting of the decree is proposed by the Centre for the Resolution of the Emergency Situation (CRES) it would be given for Cabinet consideration at its weekly meeting Tuesday.

After the decree is lifted, CRES (established in March this year) will be dissolved and the Internal Security Operations Command will be responsible for security affairs instead, Mr Abhisit said.

However, Thailand’s security agencies are prepared to impose tight security in at-risk areas if problems arise after the emergency decree is lifted and the Internal Security Act is implemented, he said. (MCOT online news)

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2010...-30144202.html

Abhisit hints at snap poll early next year

By The Nation
Published on December 11, 2010


Dissolution of the House of Representatives may take place in the first quarter of next year, Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said yesterday, hinting at a snap election before March or April.

Abhisit also said the repeal of emergency rule was on track for Cabinet debate on Tuesday.

After the lifting of the state of emergency, the Centre for Resolution of the Emergency Situation will be completely disbanded, he said, adding that authorities planned to enforce the Internal Security Law to ensure social order in lieu of the CRES.

"I believe the Internal Security Operations Command will take over duties previously assigned to the CRES," he said.

To ensure a smooth transition from the CRES to the Isoc, security authorities have drawn up contingency plans to ensure peace and social order, he said.

Abhisit said he was confident police could effectively enforce the law after the lifting of the state of emergency in Bangkok and surrounding areas.

If normalcy can be sustained without emergency rule, then this is a good sign for an early poll, he said.

He reaffirmed his three conditions for calling early elections - return of normalcy, completion of charter rewriting and no economic turbulence.

He said he viewed the return of normalcy as a priority, since he expected the charter amendments to be completed soon and did not anticipate any looming troubles for the economy.

"The return of political normalcy has progressed quite well, but I still have to assess the post-emergency situation," he said.

After the Constitution is amended and the situation remains peaceful, he will then be able to set the poll date, he said.

The vetting of charter amendments is expected to be complete before the House reconvenes in January, and the final reading of the amendment bills will likely take no more than 15 days, he said.

"After the Constitution is amended and the situation remains peaceful, he will then be able to set the poll date, he said."

you forgot his third out ..................

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

no economic turbulence

it would be foolish to carry an election in this current political situation,

I hope they find a good and valid excuse to suspend them for the next 5 years, to age out all the current old fuckers like Chavat and Chalerm

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

BANGKOK, Dec 10 -- Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said Friday he could dissolve the House of Representatives either in March or April, and call for a fresh general election if peace prevails in Thailand, the economy improves and, most importantly, election rules are acceptable to every concerned party.

There we go, no election!

http://www.tannetwork.tv/tan/ViewData.aspx?DataID=1038402

New Politics Party Expresses Concern over PM's Hint at House Dissolution

UPDATE : 13 December 2010

The secretary general of the New Politics Party has expressed some concern over the prime minister's indication that a general election might be held next year.

He has also said that in order to strengthen the judicial system's credibility, the court's procedures for deciding cases must be reformed.

At a press briefing yesterday, Secretary General of the New Politics Party, Suriyasai Katasila expressed some concern about Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva's hinting that a general election would be held next year.

Suriyasai said that this may cause state officials to be ineffective in implementing government policies and ignoring recommendations made by the reconciliation committees.


Suriyasai demanded that the prime minister be more explicit regarding his stance towards the various committees in order to bring about effective reforms in the country.

The secretary-general of the New Politics Party also suggested that the prime minister's hint of a House dissolution could just be another political ploy aimed at quelling criticisms of the government for its mismanagement and corruption.

Suriyasai also warned the Election Commission against widespread electoral fraud in the next general election based on the number of complaints received in last weekend's by-election.

The secretary-general of the New Politics Party also talked about the dismissal of the Democrat Party's dissolution cases.

Suriyasai pointed out that the Constitution Court's decisions were based on laws, not facts, causing public doubt about the efficacy of the judicial system.

Suriyasai also urged the Election Commission to be more unified in its operation, especially in party dissolution cases.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

The secretary general of the New Politics Party has expressed some concern over the prime minister's indication that a general election might be held next year.

Mmm...

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

this may cause state officials to be ineffective in implementing government policies

like it

Originally Posted by LooseBowels

..you see , in a parliamentary democracy the largest party can form a minority government, thats of course when the military junta dont intervene.
...

You cannot argue with that

Well, yes again you can.

The Prime Minister requires a vote of over one half of the House of Representatives. Please explain how under Thai law (either 2007 or 1997) that a government could be formed without a majority (more then half) of the MP's vote?
TH

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simple , hold a coup .

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2010...-30144371.html

ANALYSIS

Vote may trigger early poll

By The Nation
Published on December 14, 2010


Opposition makes few inroads

If the ruling Democrats are buoyed by the outcome of Sunday's by-elections, they have done well in keeping the joy to themselves. That, though, could not prevent rampant speculation yesterday that a snap election may be called a lot sooner than had been expected.

Results of the by-election do not show significant shifts in voters' political allegiance. That is bad news for the opposition Pheu Thai Party, which had expected to capitalise on accumulating corruption scandals, the natural anti-incumbent sentiment as well as whatever backlash the Constitution Court's controversial rulings on the Democrat Party may have generated. To the Democrats, no big change is as good a piece of news as they can get.

Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and Democrat power broker Suthep Thaugsuban yesterday declined to give a commitment on an election early next year. Abhisit's only response to the possibility was "Why not?" - a reply that in fact threw the ball back into the red shirts' court. In other words: If you cause no trouble in the next few months, we shall see.

Suthep denied that he favoured an election at a later date. But he cautioned those advocating dissolving the House of Representatives in the first quarter of 2011 to take into account Parliament's pending agenda on charter amendment.

"All I can say is there are a lot of factors involved, such as the constitutional-amendment process, and whether or not or how many organic laws need to be enacted. And there's the issue of whether the country is really peaceful at the time," the deputy prime minister said.

Abhisit insisted that a lot would be up to the opposition and its supporters, especially after the state of emergency is totally lifted. The government's policy in regard to areas still under the emergency would be clear by next week, he promised.

The prime minister welcomed recent peaceful rallies of the red shirts as a good sign. "The way things have been in the past two months is OK," Abhisit said, but he was quick to add that much still depended on the movement's leaders, who would have to make good their vows to use peaceful means to advance their cause.

"When we don't have to enforce special laws and can rely on ordinary laws to maintain peace and order, then the country will be ready for an election," Abhisit said.

The by-election results give the Democrats some hope of increased support in "red zones". Although the bigger backing is still far from enabling the ruling party to grab House seats in the Pheu Thai-dominated Northeast, it could be helpful when it comes to party-list votes. Even some Pheu Thai insiders admitted being worried about "state influences" in traditional red bases. Those influences include the financial clout of coalition parties, the growing impact of the government's "populist programmes", and the control of state mechanisms.

For the Democrats, the good sign came from Khon Kaen's Constituency 2 in particular. The party lost to a Pheu Thai candidate but won more than 36,000 votes this time, compared with just 7,000 three years ago. "It shows we can do better in the Northeast," said Vithoon Nambut, a party-list Democrat MP who directed the Khon Kaen campaign. He envisaged the ruling party running in all Muang (central) districts in the Northeast in the next election and taking as many votes from Pheu Thai as possible.

Whether or not Sunday's results can change the Democrats' mind concerning a proposed electoral system in which constituencies become smaller remains to be seen. The Democrats in general prefer the current "big constituency" model, but, as the outcomes suggested, Pheu Thai's rivals could have a better chance in the Northeast if constituencies were smaller.

The government, it seems, holds a slight advantage after Sunday's by-elections. But does that mean a snap poll will come early? That may depend on whether the red shirts can avoid giving the government excuses to stay on. As Abhisit said yesterday, if the red shirts had taken his offer before the bloodshed in April and May, an election would have taken place already and a new government formed by now.

http://www.tannetwork.tv/tan/ViewData.aspx?DataID=1038422

Deputy PM against House Dissolution in April

UPDATE : 13 December 2010

The deputy prime minister insists the decision on a House dissolution must seek the viewpoints from coalition partners first.

Deputy Prime Minister in charge of national security Suthep Thaugsuban said he has no objection against Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva over the timeframe for the House dissolution in April next year.

Suthep said he realizes Abhisit wants the election to be held next year, but noted the dissolution of the Lower House must be agreed upon by government coalition parties and the decision has to based on national security as well.

The term of the current House will complete in December next year.

The deputy premier, as secretary-general of the ruling Democrat Party, also said the 30,000 votes his party's candidate received in the by-election in Khon Kaen, a major stronghold of the Pheu Thai Party, reflects the public's satisfaction with the government's policies although the Democrat candidate did not win the poll.

Suthep, however, said the poll result cannot be used as a gauge of his party's popularity in the Northeast or a reason to bring forward the House dissolution schedule.

He also denied the government's speedy introduction of a new phase of populist policies has the intention to woo voters ahead of the upcoming election, saying they are within the prepared budget.

He cited it is still too early to judge if those newly launched packages will bring up prices of goods. .

Suthep also defended the planned pay rise for MPs and senators, saying other state officials have already been given a salary hike so legislators should be given the same kind of treatment.

The deputy premier, however, said he is sill unsure if the matter will be put onto the agenda of tomorrow's Cabinet meeting.

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Abhisit wants the election to be held next year

The current governments term expires late next year, and elections are required to be held by law. What some politician may 'want' or otherwise has nothing to do with it. They have the option to call elections early, in fact Abhisit has on several occasions said he would do just that- but of course, TIT.

The chutzpah of this scum is amazing... here we have an undemocratically appointed, military dominated government that has usurped power, acting as if it is some sort of favor to hold elections as required by law. I don't like being spoken to like that by criminals and rebels.

^ quite right.

As pointed out very often by many posters; they are framing the social discourse where the people don't expect an election; it's all very Orwellian...

Originally Posted by sabang

What some politician may 'want' or otherwise has nothing to do with it.

absolutely correct , they can want what they like , they will be told when .

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2010...-30144478.html

Bhum Jai Thai ready for early poll: Chaovarat

By The Nation

The Bhum Jai Thai Party is always prepared if the prime minister will dissolve the House and call for a snap election early next year, Interior Minister Chaovarat Chanweerakul said on Wednesday.

"Politicians must be ready to contest the elections at anytime," he said.

Chaovarat said his Bhum Jai Thai was buoyed by its by-election victory in Nakhon Ratchasima and Surin.

"If I had known about my party's increased popularity, I would have fielded by-election candidates for all five constituencies," he said.

^ yep, they are ready....