Thread: Kanchanaburi Tiger Temple

I saw the documentary. From that, I could see no evidence of maltreatment or starvation

I did think that maybe they were putting something in the food to make them docile, as they were not acting normally

should do that to all the visitors too

No secrets here.

I was there a couple of years ago, and the place looked a pretty obvious scam to me. Listening to that head monk talk for five minutes about the tigers being his long-lost relatives reincarnated and it's clear he's a grifter who found a better racket than selling magical amulets the size of dinner plates. It'll probably keep drawing in the suckers or various others who would like to think of these splendid killers as big and cuddly at heart. People grow up watching too much Disney nonsense and never grow out of it. Sooner or later some kid is going get her arm ripped off and the joint will either change or get shut down- it'll have to be a tourist kid, a volunteer (anyone working at normal Thai wages is practically a volunteer anyway) getting hurt is easy enough to keep under wraps, I'm sure, especially in a place like Kan'buri.

The Tiger Temple is worth seeing IMO .Make up your own mind .I dont trust Animal rights fanatics .They have killed people that disagree with them in the past .

Originally Posted by Texpat

I think they should let the tigers go free. Preferably in Pattaya.

There is nothing healty for them to eat down there........

^This guy would be a tasty tiger treat

Tasty? - perhaps. Healthy? - no way!

The tigers look ok to me. The ostriches at CM zoo have lost all their feathers, they don't look ok to me.

I feel that tigers wouldn't hesitate to react if they felt threatend, underfed and poorly treated. I'm sure they are content with their lifes at the moment. This criticism of the way the monks handle them is silly. I'm sure animal lovers would rather see the handlers say " here kitty kitty, who loves you, mommsy does" but then the tigers would eat them.

And as for a paid undercover 'volunteer' 'exposing' this, well they have to write something to justify the donations of many gullible western donors.

If these tigers weren't living at this temple, many would have been killed long ago for their body parts.

Originally Posted by klongmaster

KW: not the same place...what you're talking about was the tiger place in Sri Racha... Despite my personal feelings about the TT it remains one of the most popular tours in my business. Most people who go there write enthusiastic emails about their experience.

oops, my bad.

I was about to suggest this other place as a good alternative... hmmm, I'm all confused now.

Originally Posted by DaveRobin

feel that tigers wouldn't hesitate to react if they felt threatend, underfed and poorly treated. I'm sure they are content with their lifes at the moment.

Did you miss the fact that they're allegedly drugged? And intimidated from an early age? Even a wild animal will act as a 'trainer' wishes if they are punished physically & intimidated mentally (tiger urine being sprayed in their faces would do that) from babydom. How do you think they get wild animals to perform in circuses? Or are you one of those people who believe performing animals in circuses are happy, content & well-treated (despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary), as well?

Originally Posted by November Rain

Originally Posted by DaveRobin

feel that tigers wouldn't hesitate to react if they felt threatend, underfed and poorly treated. I'm sure they are content with their lifes at the moment.

Did you miss the fact that they're allegedly drugged? And intimidated from an early age? Even a wild animal will act as a 'trainer' wishes if they are punished physically & intimidated mentally (tiger urine being sprayed in their faces would do that) from babydom. How do you think they get wild animals to perform in circuses? Or are you one of those people who believe performing animals in circuses are happy, content & well-treated (despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary), as well?

You are looking at this from the perspective of a female western animal lover. The spraying urine in the face has a purpose: the keepers need to exert dominance and this is the way tigers do it to each other; if it wasn't, it wouldn't work - it mimics their own behaviour and what's more natural than that. You may not know this but tigers use physical intimidation to confirm their place among the groups hierarchy. COMPLETELY natural and normal training methods.

What physical punishments do they receive? I missed that part. Tigers often rip each other apart, I don't think a stick if used to bring their attention to something is anything that will bother them too much

If they are drugged, how do they manage to get to their feet and walk naturally around. Nobody has observed that they look drugged. I've been drugged a few times and I know I look fukked and my motor skills are all over the place. To suggest (I know you didn't but the report may) that they are drugged just a little but not enough to stop them behaving normally is stupid. Obviously the comments of someone who has either never done drugs or does too many.

Maybe asians know more about asian animals than westerners and this is the problem. Too many people in the west making a living from animal 'welfare'.

Originally Posted by DaveRobin

perspective of a female western animal lover

What's the relevance of "female" in this context.

Secondly,

Originally Posted by DaveRobin

The spraying urine in the face has a purpose: the keepers need to exert dominance and this is the way tigers do it to each other;

You sure about this? Yes, spray to establish territory but spraying urine in the faces of their opponents doesn't seem a great way to "intimidat" and could well lead to your cock being bitten off.

Originally Posted by DaveRobin

If they are drugged, how do they manage to get to their feet and walk naturally around. Nobody has observed that they look drugged. I've been drugged a few times and I know I look fukked and my motor skills are all over the place. To suggest (I know you didn't but the report may) that they are drugged just a little but not enough to stop them behaving normally is stupid. Obviously the comments of someone who has either never done drugs or does too many.

This is absolute nonsense. Sorry, but you really are wrong. Sedatives, Vallium, Atarax etc etc are all about controlled levels of stupefication, anxiety control and so on. Specifically designed to allow day to day functions whilst sedating emotional peaks and troughs.

I think you need to reevaluate your statement, mate.

I love tigers. They're delicious. And my Issey Miyaki tiger cub pelt is one of my favorites.

Originally Posted by DaveRobin

What physical punishments do they receive? I missed that part.

From the OP:

The report said the tigers were kicked, poked, beaten, punched, dragged around by their tails, and had their ears and whiskers pulled.

What would be your explanation as to why a wild animal doesn't retaliate against that? Mine would be possible (likely) drugging and intimidation from an early age. You deny that either of those are possible, so I'd be interested to hear why these wild predators are so docile & accommodating to humans, whom they naturally would fear & avoid.

Originally Posted by DaveRobin

Tigers often rip each other apart,

Do you know anything about animals? Tigers (in the wild) would fight over territory & food. They practice defensive tactics like urine spraying to avoid having to fight other tigers. They do not 'often rip each other apart' - wouldn't be very conducive to the survival of the species, would it?

Originally Posted by DaveRobin

Maybe asians know more about asian animals than westerners and this is the problem

OMG! Do you actually expect to be taken seriously with that remark? Truly incredible.

Thanks, Jandajoy, you addressed the other points I wished to question.

Originally Posted by November Rain

OMG! Do you actually expect to be taken seriously with that remark? Truly incredible.

I thought it was too crass a troll effort to merit a response.

^ Well, I will defer to your superior knowledge on that one, KW. You are far better versed in the art of trolling than I.

Originally Posted by November Rain

You are far better versed in the art of trolling than I.

I aint a fecckn troll!

Originally Posted by November Rain

Well, I will defer to your superior knowledge on that one, KW.

ok let me rephrase it, it was much too obviously a wind up .... wot with mentioning female logic and the thai vs farang stuff...

OK,

Looking again, I think you're right, but I was in a bad mood last night. Sometimes trolls have to be really blatant for me to realise straight off what they are & ignore them, like this pathetic effort:

Originally Posted by Tokyo Rose

I love tigers. They're delicious. And my Issey Miyaki tiger cub pelt is one of my favorites.

Thais are taking care of tigers better than foreigners and foreigners are jealous.

The asian tigers are breeding and are living in a more natural environment that windsor safari park. They look well fed and content. Hence, a foreigner felt the need to educate them

^ Thanks, DaveRobin. That was blatant enough even for me.

Originally Posted by wilko

And what do you base that opinion on?

that is a completely unfounded and ignorant answer. please go and find out a little about animal husbandry first...and THEN try to formulate an opinion.

Originally Posted by DaveRobin

Thais are taking care of tigers better than foreigners and foreigners are jealous.

The asian tigers are breeding and are living in a more natural environment that windsor safari park. They look well fed and content. Hence, a foreigner felt the need to educate them

The tigers are happy, well-fed and content. They can interact with humans. The problem for you western animal lovers is that you think only you know how to take care of animals. Well, you're wrong.

You're one of those people that if they see a human pick up a cat by the scruff of its neck, you'll have a fit. Do you understand that this is how the animals behave - it's called natural behaviour. Treating cats and dogs as humans, calling them pet names and having long 1-sided conversations in English but adding a few 'lovely pussywussywussy' phrases is fuking freaky.

Animals have their own karma and Asians tend to understand this more than westerners

Originally Posted by Agent_Smith

^This guy would be a tasty tiger treat

Yes, probably slower and more gruesome than my prefered treatment with the hammer, and serving the animal at the same time. Good thinking.