Thailand's Submarine

[Mid]

Royal Thai Navy invents computer control submarine to empower fleets
15 August 2008

Professor Kirttikhun Weerawat Wongdontri (เกียรติคุณ วีระวัฒน์ วงษ์ดนตรี), an admiral in the robotic submarine project of Mahidol Adulyadet Navy Shipyard, reveals that the Navy is unveiling its most recent invention called ‘Krai Thong’, a submarine controlled by computer systems.

The computer controlled submarine is capable of diving to depths of 50 meters with at a speed of 3-4 knots. It is able to be operated underwater for 4 hours. The Bureau of Ships and Yards in Samaesarn Sub-district, Chon Buri will use it for military training, as well as to search and destroy explosive devices in the Gulf of Thailand.

Professor Kirttikhun said the boat became a necessity in Navy strategic affairs, asserting that the vessel is able to escape detection by advance modern technologies. He claimed that submarines have been powerful weapons and helped strengthen military fleets in many countries. He said the recent invention of the Navy had a capacity like ordinary military submarines, but are smaller and unmanned.

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[Thetyim]

Speed of 3-4 knots ?

What sort of currents to they get in the Gulf of Thailand?

[good2bhappy]

It will just go with the flow
Jai yen sub

[Mid]

What sort of currents to they get in the Gulf of Thailand?

there's 1 'n half to 2 in the channel 'tween Samui 'n KPG . And nowhere deep enough to hide from air detection imho .

[bkkandrew]

Jai yen sub

[Thetyim]

Here is an article about the Talisman from 2006

Stealth sub to give navy's SAS a hidden edge - Times Online

So what have the Thai invented ?

[bkkandrew]

^Where is the article?

[Mid]

^^

details , details ................. , mere details

[bkkandrew]

details , details ................. , mere details

Pretty much the Thai attitude to the max speed of their sub!

[dirtydog]

New Unmanned Mine-Cleaning Submarine

- Search and destroy!


By: Lucian Dorneanu, Science Editor



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This week, at the Ocean Business Conference in Southampton, a revolutionary

unmanned submarine which can locate and destroy underwater mines is due to be unveiled.

Since World War II, 14 U.S. ships have been sunk or damaged by mines, while only two have been sunk by enemy fire and many more commercial ships belonging to various countries have suffered sever damage from unexpected encounters with underwater mines.

Sitting underwater until they're detonated by the sound of a passing ship, mines are cheap and effective. Robert Martinage, a senior defense analyst at the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments in Washington, says mines are used by more than 50 nations, and new technology is making them harder than ever to detect.

The Talisman submarine, developed by BAE Systems, has been developed to take over the dangerous task of mine clearance, which currently puts the lives of navy divers at risk.

It is fitted with thruster engines, allowing it to hover and turn 360 degrees so it can remain stable as it deploys its mine-clearance device and can operate at depths of more than 490 ft (150 m) to detonate unexploded mines using remotely-controlled robots.

The body of the submarine has been designed in conjunction with motor-racing manufacturer Lola Cars and is made of composite carbon fiber components, meaning it is strong but lightweight.

"The Talisman M can, for the first time, locate, identify as dangerous and then neutralise mines in one single autonomous mission", says Andy Tonge, Talisman project manager. "We now see, as a matter of routine, unmanned air vehicles flying over Iraq, flying over Bosnia, and now we are doing the same underwater, but 10 years ago that technology was futuristic."

Some countries have tried new approaches, that can eliminate the risk to human navy divers, like robots or even dolphins.

Trained dolphins detected World War II-era mines off the Norwegian coast last year and even guarded the Navy's flagship in Bahrain in 1986 and 1987.

But one thing robots and dolphins can't do is destroy the mines they find. That's left to the Navy's human divers, many of whom have already been sent to the Persian Gulf.

Now, "Talisman M can perform the types of dangerous roles currently performed by service men and women throughout the world – locate, identify and neutralise mines in one single mission, without any physical human intervention." declared Andy Tonge.

New Unmanned Mine-Cleaning Submarine - Search and destroy! - Softpedia

28th March 2007, 10:51 GMT


April 2, 2006


Stealth sub to give navy's SAS a hidden edge

A NEW remote-controlled unmanned British submarine could transform the way in which the Royal Navy’s Special Boat Service spies out beaches and landing zones.
The Talisman mini-submarine can be pre-programmed or operated by remote control to collect imagery, signals or sonar intelligence and then go on to destroy the targets it has identified.
It can also be fitted with missiles and with other much smaller unmanned mini-submarines which it can send out to collect intelligence or to search out and destroy the targets.
BAE Systems, which has developed the Talisman, said the mini-submarine would be ideal for special operations. It could also be deployed to protect coastlines and installations such as oil rigs.
“If you look at the likely missions, they are more likely to be clandestine,” said Andy Tonge, the Talisman project manager. “The likelihood of anyone detecting it is very, very low.”
Details of the previously highly classified Talisman “autonomous underwater vehicle” (AUV) emerged last week at a special operations conference in Jordan attended by representatives from the world’s leading special forces.
The BAE Systems Talisman mini-submarine, which was produced from a concept to a working system in less than a year, uses stealth technology developed for military aircraft to ensure that it cannot be easily detected.
Its 14ft hull and its internal compartments, which house the electronics suites and payload, are made of carbon-fibre composite, giving it its stealth and easy manoeuvrability.
It uses satellite communications or underwater acoustics communications to link up with its controller and weighs just under two tons.
Powered by batteries, it can remain on operations for about 24 hours but this could be dramatically extended if diesel generators were fitted to re-charge the batteries.
Talisman could be launched up to 50 miles off shore by a destroyer or a military transport aircraft such as the C130 Hercules. But the ideal covert launch vehicle would be a larger submarine.
BAE Systems is building the new Astute-class attack submarine for the Royal Navy which would provide an ideal launch vehicle. The Royal Navy is expected to turn Astute into a multi-purpose submarine. The “all-singing, all-dancing” Astute would be capable of firing Trident nuclear missiles and TLAM cruise missiles, carrying out extensive intelligence gathering and launching special forces operations.
Talisman could not replace the SBS swimmer delivery vehicle, which is used to insert troops, but it could reduce the level of risk by improving intelligence gathering and removing obstacles such as mines. The commanding officer of the SBS, Lieutenant-Colonel Richard van der Horst, died a year ago after he ran out of oxygen while trying to get out of a four-man swimmer delivery vehicle.
Talisman has carried out secret trials around the UK’s coastline, all of which have been successful, BAE Systems said last week.

Stealth sub to give navy's SAS a hidden edge - Times Online

[Norton]

Navy is unveiling its most recent invention

Hmm....invention is a bit strong. Development maybe but hardly an invention.

He said the recent invention of the Navy had a capacity like ordinary military submarines, but are smaller and unmanned.

If it's the Mongkut project I am aware of, it indeed has a propulsion system and a control system. It doesn't have a weapons system however which makes it pretty much a remotely controlled toy at this time. Suppose it could be used for de-mining, once!

[Indoexile]

Quote: Originally Posted by Mid He said the recent invention of the Navy had a capacity like ordinary military submarines, but are smaller and unmanned. If it's the Mongkut project I am aware of, it indeed has a propulsion system and a control system. It doesn't have a weapons system however which makes it pretty much a remotely controlled toy at this time. Suppose it could be used for de-mining, once!

perhaps they meant capability of a 'thai' submarine....

in other words, feckkin useless to start with

[Thetyim]

^Where is the article?

Sorry, my error

I have added it now

Stealth sub to give navy's SAS a hidden edge - Times Online

[Happyman]

Are we talking about the same thing here ?

28 March 2007- Designed by BEA Systems dives to 150 metres

15 August 2008 - designed by Mahidol Adulyadet Navy Shipyard, dives to 50 meters

All very confusing

[Whiteshiva]

Speed of 3-4 knots ?

What sort of currents to they get in the Gulf of Thailand?

If I recall right, we used to design GOT platforms for around 3 m/s, which is approx. 5.8 knots.


The ROV should be great for mine clearing in lakes and swimming pools, though......

[Thetyim]

^^
I don't think it is the same sub,

I brought it up because the article used the word "invent" and it looks like BAE had something better back in 2006

[Happyman]

^^
I don't think it is the same sub,

I brought it up because the article used the word "invent" and it looks like BAE had something better back in 2006

Ah!

OK!

Thanks

[tsicar]

^^
I don't think it is the same sub,

I brought it up because the article used the word "invent" and it looks like BAE had something better back in 2006

i always take news of a thai "invention" with a huge pinch of salt.
it seems that sucessfully building a substandard copy of a "real" invention is enough for these guys to get excited about.
perhaps there is not a real word for "invention" in thailand, or something gets lost in translation, and it does not mean the same thing?
i studied up on some of the more famous (in thailand) "inventions", some of which were awarded patents, and found they were awarded patents on the basis of their performance having been "scientifically potentially viable/plausable", although nobody bothered to pick up the ball and test them to see if they were even an improvement on any technology which has existed for many years.
does anybody know of any thai "invention" , the use of which has been adopted by a first world country?

[EmperorTud]

does anybody know of any thai "invention" , the use of which has been adopted by a first world country?

The bum gun.

[beenaroundawhile01]

A guy called Art-ong Jumsai Na Ayudhya invented and designed the sub-system design of the automatic landing system in NASA's Viking pace project. Hell of a nice guy. He is now the Chief Administrator at Sathya Sai school in Lopburi.

[gjbkk]

Will come with a shortened periscope as the depth around the cost of Thailand is not submarine friendly

Its silhouette and wake will be seen by any 6 footer standing in a rib

[tsicar]

A guy called Art-ong Jumsai Na Ayudhya invented and designed the sub-system design of the automatic landing system in NASA's Viking pace project. Hell of a nice guy. He is now the Chief Administrator at Sathya Sai school in Lopburi.

ok, so that's ONE.......

[Kidneystone]

If this is the first Thai submarine why did they have pay 56 fully qualified submarine captains on their audit books in 2004?

[Fabian]

^ Is that a serious question?

[tsicar]

If this is the first Thai submarine why did they have pay 56 fully qualified submarine captains on their audit books in 2004?

you do not have to own a submarine to employ submarine captains!
i think thailand may have subs, but this one is an unmanned one.
will probably not prevent them from employing a few "captains" to pilot it, though!