The COVID-2019 Thread

[hallelujah]

The article you have posted doesn’t back up your position! This is about people’s lives. I would rather trust scientists being cautious than politicians or some yahoo on the internet who doesn’t agree with them.

That's one of the SAGE doom-mongers defending his stance on over-egging the threat and is related to the British people calling him out on it (which I posted so you can see)

This, like the 3 or 4 others I've posted, confirms that Omicron is a pathetic cold and is from the Wall Street Journal via British Science.

New U.K. Study Reinforces Conclusion That Omicron Causes Less Severe Disease - WSJ

BBC as well

Omicron up to 70% less likely to need hospital care - BBC News

How many times have I got to post this for you all to stop believing this fucking bullshit?

[misskit]

Is someone arguing that Omicron is not less severe? Pretty much established that this is the case. Spreads many times faster though. We don’t know what this means when it comes to infecting so many more people. Not a time to throw caution to the wind.

[hallelujah]

Is someone arguing that Omicron is not less severe? Pretty much established that this is the case. Spreads many times faster though. We don’t know what this means when it comes to infecting so many more people. Not a time to throw caution to the wind.

Jaysus Christ. You people are never gonna stop, are you? Whatever the argument, you will always find a new goalpost to move cos someone who is 98 years old might die.

Covid has only ever had a death rate of less than 1% with the average of death over 80 years old; even then 95% of people survive. Omricron is 70% severe less than this.

Old/Sick people die. It's what they do. Let's call it an occupational hazard just like flu sadly does for old people every year in even greater numbers, but it's been a good life.

Let young people live their lives, you selfish bastards, and accept you might have to check out a year or two earlier in an extremely rare instance.

[Loy Toy]

^ Couldn't agree more Hal.

I have had my jabs, done what I was told but still suspect there is some secrete agenda behind all this tomfoolery.

[hallelujah]

^ Couldn't agree more Hal.

I have had my jabs, done what I was told but still suspect there is some secrete agenda behind all this tomfoolery.

After all the bollox, it has yet again been scientifically proven in the UK that Omicron is a measly cold, as most.

Fuck the scaremongering and enjoy your life!

[Switch]

I've just posted links to 3 or 4 government reports from the UK, which you asked for in post 12784 and actually quoted in your replying post!, stating that Omicron is a mild disease in keeping with previous studies carried out elsewhere.

Have you had a stroke or something?

It’s difficult to have a sensible debate about this subject when you resort to comments like those in your final sentence. In short, you are younger and angrier than I am and you are over optimistic.

I am more of a hope for the best, but plan for the worst, pessimist in this case.

You are more frustrated, that your view is questioned by anyone. In case you hadn’t noticed, both the virus and opinions about it can change. I must assume that you have some current medical specialist qualifications to draw the stone certain conclusions that you have done?

I really do hope this is the watered down, weaker variant that the world is hoping for, and that it will quickly burn itself out and signal the end of the pandemic.
Sadly, im not qualified to make that statement with any kind of certainty. People who refuse to move from their original belief that the whole show is a massive con, are destined to end up looking stupid.

Significant numbers of native Americans and Australian Aborigines died after they were exposed to diseases the white man arrived with, but had built up immunity to. Those populations had an excuse, because they were unaware of the problem.
We probably have too much information available to us, but that doesn’t make any of us smarter or more aware of reality.
You are entitled to your opinion, and I am just a cautious old risk averse fart.

[Norton]

^ Couldn't agree more Hal.

I have had my jabs, done what I was told but still suspect there is some secrete agenda behind all this tomfoolery.

Covid is the perfect means to compel folks to willingly do something which erodes personal freedoms and allows big brother to control what we think, what we do and where we go.

Must make us fearful, make those who don't comply social pariahs and devise a means to track us. So far job well done. Near everything we want to do requires documents showing we comply with the authority. Hell, in Sweden, folks are getting transplants to prove their compliance!

Whole thing reminds me of a cult or religion where what we must do "or else" is dictated by those in power. Then again, I could be full of shit.

[Stumpy]

I am with Hal as well. Enough already. We cannot continue to live in a vacuum. The fear mongering is political CYA as I see it because when someone dies, somebody has to be blamed.

Again my stance is get vaccinated and let's get back to some normalcy and stop the nonsense. Open up the planet and let's move on. If you fear catching a cold wear a mask, continue washing yourself in alcohol and stay home.

Oh yeah. MERRY CHRISTMAS

[baldrick]

wear a mask

and this is the problem - if everyone work a mask correctly when in an enclosed space with strangers then this episode would end a fcuk of a lot quicker - too many people find they cannot put it over their nose because it irritates the cock on their forehead

it should be obvious by now that half the people on the planet are selfish and/or stupid

[malmomike77]

If Omicron is proved to me a milder variant then it could be what is often see in the epidemiology of viruses where they become less lethal the more they mutate. Fingers crossed this could be the begining of the end and covid gets added to the annual vaccine programme for the elderly and infirm much like flu.

[Stumpy]

and this is the problem

Again, if you fear catching it then wear a mask if the other person isn't wearing one correctly or not at all then no worries.

I now know 5 people who have contracted covid. 3 it's Omicron. 1 had no issues. 2 had sniffles for a few days and gone. 2 others were Delta early on and did not get ill. All fully vaccinated.

Time to move on. If you want to wear a mask, knock yourself out. That is your choice and I understand. Just like years back, most Asian folks when I was working back and forth in SZ. If they felt sick they voluntarily wore a mask.

[Switch]

Again, if you fear catching it then wear a mask if the other person isn't wearing one correctly or not at all then no worries.

I now know 5 people who have contracted covid. 3 it's Omicron. 1 had no issues. 2 had sniffles for a few days and gone. 2 others were Delta early on and did not get ill. All fully vaccinated.

Time to move on. If you want to wear a mask, knock yourself out. That is your choice and I understand. Just like years back, most Asian folks when I was working back and forth in SZ. If they felt sick they voluntarily wore a mask.

Omicron is still dangerous. Greater transmissibility means more cases. More cases, however mild they turn out to be, still mean huge numbers of people off work. This hits emergency workers, healthcare staff, delivery drivers public transport operators and supermarket staff. These are all key groups in making life tick over under Delta.

Vaccinations started between 12 and 18 months ago. Efficacy is declining and boosters, where they are available, are proving a poor substitute for community discipline, which is now also lacking. (Masks, distancing and personal care).

All these issues are global problems caused by transmissibility of Omicron, no matter where you are in the world.

As a side issue for the anti vaxxers, how many people have died due to vaccination?

[malmomike77]

I don't think Hal and JPPR are anticaxers, they are pro-vaccine but have a less hardline view on containment measures

[Stumpy]

I don't think Hal and JPPR are anticaxers, they are pro-vaccine but have a less hardline view on containment measures

Exactly right. I am vaccinated and will get my booster 2nd week of January. I am doing my part. Done what has been asked of me. Again IMHO this is about politics now and constant fear mongering. Every year in the states flu season hit. Hospitals and doctor offices jammed with sick people. They always offer a flu shot of which many take. I think it is time to move on. If you chose for your own personal reasons not to get vaccinated and get sick and die, oh well. Your choice and we all know that there are consequences for one's choices. I am tired of jumping through endless hoops and playing government games.

[Switch]

I don't think Hal and JPPR are anticaxers, they are pro-vaccine but have a less hardline view on containment measures

It was not directed at any individual. Just a general question as an aside to the Omicron emergence.
It has little effect on me personally as I don’t go out much, and rarely mix with others.
I am living dangerously today. Christmas dinner with 9 other friends.

My main concern is other people who are mostly just frustrated with this loooong pandemic. Too inward looking, considering their own circumstances, with a DGAF attitude to others. Merry Christmas you happy fuckers.

[cyrille]

Again, if you fear catching it then wear a mask if the other person isn't wearing one correctly or not at all then no worries.

It’s a shame that even after all this time you don’t get the simple fact that wearing a mask mostly protects other people from catching COVID from you.

Please take some time to reflect on this and also how you might feel differently if you had a close friend or relative who has died from COVID.

Thanks and Merry Christmas.

[Stumpy]

It’s a shame that even after all this time you don’t get the simple fact that wearing a mask mostly protects other people from catching COVID from you.

Please take some time to reflect on this and also how you might feel differently if you had a close friend or relative who has died from COVID.

Thanks and Merry Christmas.

Won't change my POV Cyrille. I have lived this like we all have. In the beginning with no vaccine I fully supported the controls and constraints without question and was irritated when people didn't take those early actions seriously. 2 years later with a vaccine available and only people dieing who typically didn't vaccinate or were saddled with other terrible ailments to me it is now just life like flu season. Time to move on. I have always believed nature has its way and still do.

And Merry Christmas to you too.

[hallelujah]

Omicron is still dangerous. Greater transmissibility means more cases. More cases, however mild they turn out to be, still mean huge numbers of people off work. This hits emergency workers, healthcare staff, delivery drivers public transport operators and supermarket staff. These are all key groups in making life tick over under Delta.

Vaccinations started between 12 and 18 months ago. Efficacy is declining and boosters, where they are available, are proving a poor substitute for community discipline, which is now also lacking. (Masks, distancing and personal care).

All these issues are global problems caused by transmissibility of Omicron, no matter where you are in the world.

As a side issue for the anti vaxxers, how many people have died due to vaccination?

This man can not read.

Speaking to switch is the forum equivalent of banging your head against a brick wall

[hallelujah]

I don't think Hal and JPPR are anticaxers, they are pro-vaccine but have a less hardline view on containment measures

Thank you nammers.

[hallelujah]

Covid is the perfect means to compel folks to willingly do something which erodes personal freedoms and allows big brother to control what we think, what we do and where we go.

Must make us fearful, make those who don't comply social pariahs and devise a means to track us. So far job well done. Near everything we want to do requires documents showing we comply with the authority. Hell, in Sweden, folks are getting transplants to prove their compliance!

Whole thing reminds me of a cult or religion where what we must do "or else" is dictated by those in power. Then again, I could be full of shit.

Great post. All very true.

[baldrick]

Won't change my POV

it should - the mask wearing is mainly for the infected , but it is easier if everyone just does it

Again, if you fear catching it

I caught it at the beginning of november , and I was double vaxxed - I would not have known I had it except that I had to do a PCR test for international travel

I do not wish to catch it and then give it to someone who should fear catching it

[hallelujah]

No more masks outdoors. No more lockdowns. No more fucking about with our lives because of a common cold.

That's it.

[baldrick]

a common cold.

except it is not

there are reasons why most people who are much more knowledgeable about this encourage vaccination and indoor mask wearing , and it is not because they view it as a common cold

[Norton]

[hallelujah]

except it is not

there are reasons why most people who are much more knowledgeable about this encourage vaccination and indoor mask wearing , and it is not because they view it as a common cold

Except it is.

Omicron: Half of colds will be Covid, warn UK researchers - BBC News