The COVID-2019 Thread

[Chico]

Flew from BKK last night to HK and then to Manchester.

If they really wanted to contain this virus,why aren't they insisting everyone wears face masks,no checks leaving BKK, got checked when arriving in HK,arrived Manchester no checks whatsoever.

Seems to me they not really want to contain the spread.

[HermantheGerman]

Tough call

TEHRAN, Iran

Iran's Health Ministry asked Iranian authorities on Thursday to cancel the Friday prayers and any other congregations due to fears of novel coronavirus.

The Iranian IRNA news agency quoted the Health Ministry spokesman Kianoush Jahanpour saying that all forms of congregations must be canceled till further notice.

Will be interesting to see what will happen tomorrow







The U.S. is supposedly loosening the sanctions because of the virus.

[Chittychangchang]

[Jack meoff]

When's the pizza Emporium opening?

[David48atTD]

Saudi Arabia has suspended arrivals by foreign pilgrims and tourists from some two dozen countries where the new coronavirus has spread, as a growing number of cases deepened fears of a pandemic.

Saudi Arabia, good luck with that ... Ramadan in April should be fun

[David48atTD]

12:15 pm: CDC confirms 59 US cases

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention confirmed 59 cases in the U.S., a majority of which came from passengers repatriated from the Diamond Princess cruise ship that was quarantined off the coast of Japan.

1:10 pm: Presidential contenders take aim at Trump’s coronavirus response

Democratic presidential candidates at Tuesday night’s debate took aim at the Trump administration’s response to the coronavirus outbreak.

3:34 pm: 83 New York residents placed in self-quarantine after returning from China

Nassau County health officials said that they have placed 83 Americans in self-quarantine after returning to New York from China amid concerns they were exposed to the new coronavirus.

4:12 pm: FDA official says vaccine’s human trials too aggressive

Peter Marks, director of the FDA’s Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research, which determines the safety of effectiveness of vaccines, said that the three-month estimate for a coronavirus vaccine to enter human trials may be too aggressive. “We’re hoping in next quarter or 2 there will be a vaccine that will be ready to move” into human trials, Marks said at a conference in New York. —Reuters

5:47 pm: Germany says it can’t trace cases and is heading for an epidemic

Germany is at the beginning of a coronavirus epidemic after new cases sprung up that can no longer be traced to the virus’s original source in China, Health Minister Jens Spahn said. A total of five new cases of coronavirus in the west and south of Germany — taking the country’s total to around 20 — meant the disease appeared to be moving to a new phase, Spahn told a news conference, urging health authorities and employers to review their pandemic planning.

“The infection chains are partially no longer trackable, and that is a new thing,” Spahn said. “Large numbers of people have had contact with the patients, and that is a big change to the 16 patients we had until now where the chain could be traced back to the origin in China.”

—Reuters

6:50 pm: Trump says coronavirus risk to the American people ‘remains very low’

President Donald Trump addressed the nation on the coronavirus outbreak, saying the risk to the American public “remains very low.”

A medical team wearing protective outfit awaits to check Iraqi passengers returning from Iran upon their arrival at the Najaf International Airport on February 21, 2020, after Iran announced cases of coronavirus infections in the Islamic republic.

Haidar Hamdani | AFP | Getty Images



7 pm: Iraq bans public gatherings on coronavirus fear; travel ban totals nine countries

Iraq banned public gatherings and barred entry by travelers from Kuwait and Bahrain because of the spread of the new coronavirus, prohibiting travel to or from a total of nine countries.

7:08 pm Saudi Arabia suspends entry for Umrah, visits to Al Masjid Al Nabawy

Saudi Arabia temporarily suspended entry to the kingdom for the Umrah Islamic pilgrimage and visits to al Masjid Al Nabawy in Medina

Oh ... hang on!

7:20 pm: Trump says schools should prepare pandemic plans ‘just in case’

President Donald Trump said schools should start preparing their pandemic plans as a precaution in case the COVID-19 outbreak that’s rapidly spreading through Asia, Europe and the Middle East takes hold in the U.S.

“Every aspect of our society should be prepared.

I don’t think it’s going to come to that,” Trump said.

“I think schools should be preparing, get ready just in case. The words are just in case. We don’t think we’re going to be there. We don’t think we’re going to be anywhere close.”

Watch the press conference here. —Kopecki

Just in ... California Gov. Gavin Newsom said Thursday the state is currently monitoring at least 8,400 people for COVID-19, a day after health officials confirmed the first possible community transmission of the coronavirus in a Solano County resident.


Just in ... Toronto Stock Exchange halts trading for technical issue amid heavy volume

Dow Jones Industrial Average (^DJI)

26,313.78-643.81 (-2.39%)
As of 2:31PM EST. Market open.

[Chico]

I know you all want to feel the panic,but here's some simple facts.

[David48atTD]

Dow Jones Industrial Average (^DJI)

DJI - DJI Real Time Price. Currency in USD

25,766.64-1,190.95 (-4.42%)At close: 4:20PM EST

[Chittychangchang]

When's the pizza Emporium opening?

Might be onto something there!

Could name the pizzas after rare and endangered species with pictures on the the pizza box's.

The Chinese will eat anything, this time next year ...

Luvley jubly..

We could be millionaires

[David48atTD]

Stock market live updates: Dow plunges 1,100, worst point drop in history, will Fed act?

4:17 pm: Worst market rout by the numbers

• S&P closed down -4.4% for its 6^th straight negative day for the first time since Aug 5, 2019
  -WTD: S&P is down -10.76% on pace for its worst week since Oct 10, 2008 when the S&P lost -18.2%
  -YTD: S&P is down -7.8% YTD
  -S&P is 12.22% below its intraday all-time high of 3,393.52 from Feb 19^th closing in correction levels

• Dow closed down -4.4% for its 6^th straight daily loss and its 9^th negative day in 10
  -WTD: Dow is down 11.13% on pace for its worst week since Oct 10, 2008 when the Dow lost -18.15%
  -YTD: Dow is down -9.71% YTD
  -Dow is 12.86% below its intraday all-time high of 29,568.57 from Feb 12^th closing in correction levels

[jabir]

Flew from BKK last night to HK and then to Manchester.

If they really wanted to contain this virus,why aren't they insisting everyone wears face masks,no checks leaving BKK, got checked when arriving in HK,arrived Manchester no checks whatsoever.

Seems to me they not really want to contain the spread.

I think at least part of the spread is down to timidity, with authorities reluctant to install rigorous screening procedures as soon as it became known.

Clearly the Chinese underplayed it early on, and by the time they came clean it was already exported and festering. Latest is more infections abroad than in China, which bodes well if Chinese figures are to be trusted.

[Mandaloopy]

The president of Mongolia is now in isolation for 14 days as he went to China to donate some sheep. The silver lining of this is that I won't be woken by his early morning motorcade for 2 weeks of lie-ins.

[Bettyboo]

Spread to 52 countries. Korea is over 2,000 (from 52 one week ago), and is rising fast.

Trump gave the US the kiss of death, as cases are increasing...



^ from the figures, the mortality rate is rising (about 4% ish), but that won't really be known for several years, and due to the totally dishonest Chinese figures we will probably never have a good answer.

[lom]

from the figures, the mortality rate is rising (about 4% ish)

3.5% to be correct but what the statistics doesn't take into account are all those who've had the virus without symptoms or with mild normal flue-like symptoms.
It is estimated that the mortality rate for the corona flue is somewhere between 1-2% which is 10-20 times higher than for a common seasonal flue.
300.000 people in the world die every year from the seasonal flue and as with corona it is mainly the older (65-70 and above) who bites the grass, especially those who have other medical problems. Natures own way of adjusting the unbalanced population per age pyramid..

I am more worried about the corona panic than the virus itself.

[jabir]

Yer, panic can do more damage than the disease.

[Chico]

I am more worried about the corona panic than the virus itself.

Something the media are playing to the hilt, and will cause many businesses many problems.

[lom]

Coronavirus Update (Live): 83,381 Cases and 2,858 Deaths from COVID-19 Wuhan China Virus Outbreak - Worldometer

[lom]

^ I wasn't able to edit that post for some unknown reason. Just wanted to add that it shows the outcome per country almost in real time, some interesting numbers there.

[Chico]

Germany announcing new cases without clear origins in China, which is believed to have been the point of origin for the virus.
not much being reported on this.

Coronavirus: Spike in cases across Europe sees rest of world overtake China for Covid-19 infections | The Independent

[Bettyboo]

3.5% to be correct but what the statistics doesn't take into account are all those who've had the virus without symptoms or with mild normal flue-like symptoms.
It is estimated that the mortality rate for the corona flue is somewhere between 1-2% which is 10-20 times higher than for a common seasonal flue.
300.000 people in the world die every year from the seasonal flue and as with corona it is mainly the older (65-70 and above) who bites the grass, especially those who have other medical problems. Natures own way of adjusting the unbalanced population per age pyramid..

I am more worried about the corona panic than the virus itself.

I'm getting really bored of these dumb comments about the flu... For a couple of reasons: 1) people die for many reasons, only a few people die of violent rape, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't foreground that issue and attempt to do something about it - as is true of every form of unnatural death... 2) Are your flu figures/statements actually true? Lets have a quick look:

I've been manly focusing on Korea in this thread, so I'll continue to do so... These are the figures for annual deaths by flu in Korea over a few years:



This is the source: Estimating Influenza-associated Mortality in Korea: The 2009-2016 Seasons

So, the average people dying from the flu in Korea per year is around 55.

The CoronaVirus has killed 13 people this month in Korea (see below). We don't know if that's a peak or gonna drop or gonna grow, but if we take only the 2,000 confirmed cases in Korea (in little over a week really...) then taking your 3.5%, that's 75 people. So it's likely that more people will die from the Coronavirus in Korea this year than the flu - and remember, we are talking about evidence of annual flu deaths against evidence in Korea that has blown up in a month - if that continues, and I'm not saying it will - I simply don't know, then in a year that'd equate to more than 10 times the amount of people dying in Korea from CoronaVirus than the flu.



Thus, as I said, I'm rather bored of the inane comments such as "I'm more concerned about the flu" - I live in Korea, and I'm 10 times more concerned about CoronaVirus than the flu...

[Chico]

well one things for sure COV-19 has a long way to go to catch up to Flu deaths worldwide per year estimated 646,000

Flu Kills 646,000 People Worldwide Each Year: Study

[Seekingasylum]

arrived Manchester no checks whatsoever.

What's the fucking point if the virus is asymptomatic in the host for up to 14 days.

[baldrick]

how old are you ?

[Bettyboo]

^ it's quite unusual that it doesn't affect the young. I've seen some SARS figures which had mortality rates at 55% for people over 64!


Here's a good article on flu being used in the way that some people are on this thread: China Is Trying to Compare the Flu to Coronavirus. That Sounds Like Fake News. | The National Interest



The flu has a mortality rate of 0.1%. Coronavirus has a mortality rate at least 20 times higher.

[Chico]

What's the fucking point if the virus is asymptomatic in the host for up to 14 days.

So how do they know how long you have been in any of the countries affected by the discease?