The COVID-2019 Thread

[harrybarracuda]

For the lucky ones... a vaccine passport?

E.U. unveils vaccine passport plan to enable summer travel

Of course that might only make it easier to travel within the EU, since everything they touch they seem to fuck up.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...source=twitter

[harrybarracuda]

Dr. Peter Chin-Hong wants people to stop worrying so much about the myriad reports of side effects after getting the COVID-19 vaccine.

Chin-Hong, a professor of medicine at UCSF and the director of the school’s immunocompromised host infectious diseases program, is concerned that people are paying too much attention to the side effects of the shot.

“Everybody's getting vaccinated now on such an unprecedented level,” he told SFGATE, “so with a large population, you're going to see different things in different people. And then people are very keyed in to any side effect that occurs, so they're going to report it. And I think people are tuned in to that.”

The numbers of people affected by adverse side effects are miniscule. An early Centers for Disease Control and Prevention report of the Pfizer vaccine rollout noted that of more than 1.8 million Americans who got the vaccine, only 4,300 total reported adverse effects. (That’s one-fifth of a percent of the people who got doses.)

For clarity’s sake, he’s split the various side effects from the immunization into four categories: severe allergic reactions; less-severe, more common vaccine reactions, such as fever, fatigue, soreness, aches; “weird stuff”; and the ones that haven’t been linked to the vaccine, like heart attacks and death. Common vaccine symptoms aren’t anything to worry about, nor are the ones linked to misinformation about the vaccine. (Individuals with a history of allergic reactions to vaccines should speak to a physician before getting the shot.)

But Chin-Hong understands the “weird stuff” may be worrisome to most people. By “weird stuff,” he’s referring to the unexpected side effects that have emerged in recent weeks as the efforts to inoculate more people have ramped up.

That includes the so-called "Moderna arm," in which the New England Journal of Medicine found that some folks have reported a large, itchy rash at the injection site after getting the Moderna shot, and lymph node swelling, which has inadvertently resulted in concerns over swelling and lumps in the breast area. Chin-Hong has also seen a phenomenon in which people with facial and lip fillers may get swelling at the site of the fillers after getting a vaccine.

These “weird” side effects may certainly sound worrisome. But none of them, he says, are a cause of concern.

In fact, Chin-Hong likens getting the shot to a world-class boot camp for your immune cells.

“It is your immune system being trained like elite Navy SEALs,” he said. “It’s just thinking about your immune system being primed, is really the healthy way to think about it. The same cells that cause you to feel like that are the ones that are going to be called to the battle when the real COVID comes along.”

https://www.sfgate.com/coronavirus/article/Weird-COVID-vaccine-side-effect-UCSF-effective-16022325.php

[harrybarracuda]

Wuhan virus update:

A member of the World Health Organization investigative team says wildlife farms in southern China are the most likely source of the COVID-19 pandemic.

China shut down those wildlife farms in February 2020, says Peter Daszak, a disease ecologist with EcoHealth Alliance and a member of the WHO delegation that traveled to China this year. During that trip, Daszak says, the WHO team found new evidence that these wildlife farms were supplying vendors at the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan with animals.

Daszak told NPR that the government response was a strong signal that the Chinese government thought those farms were the most probable pathway for a coronavirus in bats in southern China to reach humans in Wuhan.

Wildlife Farms In China Likely Source Of Pandemic, Say WHO Investigators : Goats and Soda : NPR

[Klondyke]

Peter Daszak

...who - in the last few years - has proclaimed not just few ideas. Being member of both WHO and Lancet, that's surely nowadays not so easy to say something "incorrectly"...

[harrybarracuda]

US passes 113m vaccinations.
UK passes 25m.

[cyrille]

Hey harry, I'm surprised to see your belated interest in governmental COVID cock ups that lead to unnecessary suffering or death but here ya go...

Delaying England's winter lockdown 'caused up to 27,000 extra Covid deaths'

Delaying England's winter lockdown 'caused up to 27,000 extra Covid deaths' | Coronavirus | The Guardian

[harrybarracuda]

Hey harry, I'm surprised to see your belated interest in governmental COVID cock ups that lead to unnecessary suffering or death but here ya go...

Delaying England's winter lockdown 'caused up to 27,000 extra Covid deaths'

Delaying England's winter lockdown 'caused up to 27,000 extra Covid deaths' | Coronavirus | The Guardian

Lockdowns don't work in a liberal society sybil.

I would have though you'd have worked that out by now.

[Iceman123]

Lockdowns don't work in a liberal society sybil.

Well Australia and New Zealand may beg to differ. The men at the top were to blame in the UK and US not the people imho

[misskit]

Japan to lift Tokyo area emergency on Sunday but warns against complacency

TOKYO (Reuters) - Japan will lift the coronavirus state of emergency in the Tokyo area on Sunday, Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga said, while the capital’s governor warned citizens not to let down their guard.

Suga said the availability of hospital beds had improved in Tokyo and its three neighbouring prefectures, where restrictions have remained since early January.


“Following these developments, we’ve decided to lift the state of emergency in Tokyo and Saitama, Chiba and Kanagawa prefectures as of March 21,” said Suga.


While under pressure to bring COVID-19 under control ahead of the postponed 2020 Tokyo Olympics this summer, the government is eager to jumpstart economic activity in the Greater Tokyo area, whose 36 million residents account for 30% of Japan’s population.


But experts noted at the meeting of the government’s advisory panel that infections had been creeping up and a resurgence was likely.

This is why not all curbs will be lifted. After the end of the emergency, the four prefectures will ask restaurants to close by 9 p.m., at least until the end of March, to reduce the chance of a resurgence in infections, Kanagawa Governor Yuji Kuroiwa said on Wednesday.


The number of new COVID-19 cases has plunged from a peak in early January, when the third and most deadly wave of the pandemic swept the country. But the daily tally for Tokyo remains far from Governor Yuriko Koike’s target of reducing the seven-day average to 70% or lower than the preceding week.


On Wednesday, the capital reported 409 cases, compared with a peak of 2,520 on Jan. 7, but the highest since mid-February.


Koike warned residents not to let their guard down.

“The first drop of vaccines for (Tokyo’s) 14 million has only just begun, and until we’re done, we have to fight with our bare hands,” she said.


While other parts of the country lifted the emergency status at the end of February, Tokyo, Kanagawa, Chiba and Saitama prefectures extended it, with officials saying they wanted to see a continued decline in infections and hospitalisations.


As of Wednesday, about 449,000 people have tested positive in Japan and 8,715 have died.


Japan to lift Tokyo area emergency on Sunday but warns against complacency | Reuters

[taxexile]

The men at the top were to blame in the UK and US not the people imho

by the beginning of march last year is was apparent to anyone with half a brain that a highly contagious and dangerous virus was on the loose and travelling around the world at breakneck speed.

that the "men at the top" in the uk and the us and in other countries too did not place restrictions on movement, gatherings and travel quickly enough is not in doubt, but the public already knew what was happening in other countries, notably italy, thanks to news saturation of covid stories, but people took no notice and continued as normal until their governments nannied them into compliance.

western societies have become pathetic nanny states in recent years, where responsibility for everything is thrust on the government, and personal responsibility hardly exists.

the dangers were known before government action was taken, but people decided to take no notice of the news reports and went to their pubs, restaurants, sporting events, did not wear masks and carried on blind to the approaching storm.

in thailand even by the beginning of february last year , mask wearing and hand sanitisation was well established and there was a general awareness and fear that was palpably absent in the uk when i returned in march, if only the populations of western countries, especially the uk and the usa were not so reliant on their governments for advice and instruction, and relied on their own initiative and common sense, then the death rate would be substantially less.

but no.

its got to be somebodys fault, so even though they, in their ignorant selfish entitlement went to cheltenham races with 250,000 others, to anfield for the footabll match against real madrid, went down the crowded pub every night and then squeezed onto the bus and the tube on to the night clubs even though they knew that this virus was spreading and people were dying, it certainly wasnt their fucking fault that they got covid and spread it to half a dozen others, including three who ended up in the icu on ventilators.

it must be the fault of that twat trump, or that fat git boris, in fact anybody except them, because they are too stupid to think for themselves and need politicians, a group of people that they despise, to make their decisions for them even though the full facts are staring them in their ugly champagne socialist, trailer trash, council estate, student, rich kid, disgruntled libtard activist, selfish, thoughtless fucking faces.

[Buckaroo Banzai]

by the beginning of march last year is was apparent to anyone with half a brain that a highly contagious and dangerous virus was on the loose and travelling around the world at breakneck speed.

that the "men at the top" in the uk and the us and in other countries too did not place restrictions on movement, gatherings and travel quickly enough is not in doubt, but the public already knew what was happening in other countries, notably italy, thanks to news saturation of covid stories, but people took no notice and continued as normal until their governments nannied them into compliance.

western societies have become pathetic nanny states in recent years, where responsibility for everything is thrust on the government, and personal responsibility hardly exists.

the dangers were known before government action was taken, but people decided to take no notice of the news reports and went to their pubs, restaurants, sporting events, did not wear masks and carried on blind to the approaching storm.

in thailand even by the beginning of february last year , mask wearing and hand sanitisation was well established and there was a general awareness and fear that was palpably absent in the uk when i returned to the in march, if only the populations of western countries, especially the uk and the usa were not so reliant on their governments for advice and instruction, and relied on their own initiative and common sense, then the death rate would be substantially less.

I live a few minutes north of Daytona Beach, here in FL. Last week we had Bike Week. Thousands of bikers here , None of them wore a helmet or a face mask.
I can understand not wearing a helmet because helmets are there to prevent brain damage in the event of a fall, and for most of them that boat has sailed. But you would thing that being the patriots they claim to be , they would want to protect their country and families from covid.
Oh sorry, I forgot , Brain damage.

[Slick]

Well Australia and New Zealand may beg to differ. The men at the top were to blame in the UK and US not the people imho

The only way you could lockdown the USA would be at gunpoint. Its why neither administration tried it.

Lockdowns only work if society participates and all theses comparisons are kinda useless. So many factors involved. Geographical. Political. Societal. Economic. Saying this “leader” did it right while this other “leader” did terrible is not exactly an honest assessment of the situation.

[Buckaroo Banzai]

The only way you could lockdown the USA would be at gunpoint. Its why neither administration tried it.

Lockdowns only work if society participates and all theses comparisons are kinda useless. So many factors involved. Geographical. Political. Societal. Economic. Saying this “leader” did it right while this other “leader” did terrible is not exactly an honest assessment of the situation.

I agree, The US is a federation of states, each with it's own political climate , rules and regulations.
But we are all Americans, in the past, patriots would sacrifice their lives for their countries, now some of these maga patriots will not wear a mask because it is uncomfortable,
Carrying big flags and screaming loud, does nor make you a patriot, doing the right thing does.

[panama hat]

I agree, The US is a federation of states, each with it's own political climate , rules and regulations.

What do you think Australia is? Germany? etc etc etc

Americans have to stop thinking that 'American Exceptionalism' is actually a thing.

Carrying big flags and screaming loud, does nor make you a patriot, doing the right thing does.

Too true

[Troy]

As expected, the EMA has declared AZ vaccine to be safe and effective. That's a few days of vaccinations wasted just when a new wave is escalating.

Headless chickens...

[Buckaroo Banzai]

As expected, the EMA has declared AZ vaccine to be safe and effective. That's a few days of vaccinations wasted just when a new wave is escalating.

Headless chickens...

That was a colossal mistake not only on the delay, and the sickness and death that it caused, but it also gave oxygen to the untivax crowd .

[strigils]

That's a few days of vaccinations wasted just when a new wave is escalating.

Unfortunately Troy, its worse than that. The EU's first pop at the AZ vaccine ensured distrust with the older population, now this latest ill considered judgement will ensure a new age group of the same populations will seek to avoid a one in 10 Million chance even if the numbers are to be believed and are not coincidental.

I get mine on Saturday and have no idea which one and care not, i will be more than happy with the AZ vaccine.

[panama hat]

now this latest ill considered judgement will ensure a new age group of the same populations will seek to avoid a one in 10 Million chance

What basis do you have for this pronouncement of tens of millions of people refusing to take the AZ vaccine?

The vaccine's safety was questioned - retested and then given the all clear.

The EU was playing it safe - far too safe - failed and have reversed their decision.

Like you, I doubt many will care which of the three western vaccines they'll receive.

If NZ, despite all the scare-mongering over the past quarter about vaccines, only has the AZ you'll find they'll take that.

[strigils]

What basis do you have for this pronouncement of tens of millions of people refusing to take the AZ vaccine?

No basis Creepy, my comment was referring to the chance of getting a fatal reaction like a blood clot. Why don't you pop along like a good nutter and bother one of your usual victims ya loon.

[Buckaroo Banzai]

What do you think Australia is? Germany? etc etc etc

Americans have to stop thinking that 'American Exceptionalism' is actually a thing.

Not at all, but I am sure you would agree that coordinating a responded between six states and 27 million people is a lot less complicated than that of between 50 states and 339 million.

[harrybarracuda]

The EU was playing it safe - far too safe - failed and have reversed their decision.

Bullshit, they were playing a silly political game and it backfired on them.

The Italian regulator said so from day one. Their interpretation of the data was rubbish and deliberately so.

[Joe 90]

Some serious backpeddaling going on in Brussels.

Unfortunately the damage has been done.

[panama hat]

Not at all, but I am sure you would agree that coordinating a responded between six states and 27 million people is a lot less complicated than that of between 50 states and 339 million.

Scale it and it's the same.

27 mill and six states and two territories
80 mill and 16 states
1.4 billion and 29 states
etc...

No basis Creepy

Yet you believe A-Z is doomed because people won't take it as it 'tainted'

Why don't you

go fuck yourself. There's a good boy

Bullshit, they were playing a silly political game and it backfired on them.

The Italian regulator said so from day one. Their interpretation of the data was rubbish and deliberately so.

Or you're just paranoid

Some serious backpeddaling going on in Brussels.

Unfortunately the damage has been done.

Yup, deservedly so . . . damage? That's yet to be seen, hopefully not in terms of deaths

[Troy]

Some serious backpeddaling going on in Brussels.

Unfortunately the damage has been done.

No, Belgium didn't stop using AZ and EAM didn't advise EU countries to stop using. This was individual country decisions and not EU.

[strigils]

Yet you believe A-Z is doomed because people won't take it as it 'tainted'

Again, not what i said. AZ isn't doomed, unfortunately there will be a cohort in the EU population that have had their view of it tainted by the EU bumbling misinformation mess and will refuse it. Sane people the world over will consider the risk infinitesimal and gladly have the AZ jab.