The COVID-2019 Thread

[Bettyboo]

^ there was probably enough information around in January (maybe a month or so before for somebody well informed?) for a smart investor to make that decision. When did he buy the stock?

^^^ Yes, it's a very good diagram, simple and clear. I'm not claiming it's completely accurate, but it puts a good clear message across which everyone should have followed from the get go - this should have been the WHO's advice from January (that is what they are paid to do, and what they have been planning for).

It also supports what I have been saying from the start (most of you, despite various levels of kicking and screaming, have now come around to this point of view).

[Troy]

Attachment 50235

Good diagram for use of face masks but misses the vulnerability of the eyes.

The problem is, rather like a computer virus, removing the internet connection will remove the risk but also loses a great deal of usefulness.

[panama hat]

Good diagram for use of face masks but misses the vulnerability of the eyes.

True, but that is 'covered' in the latter stages with distancing and ten isolation

[jabir]

^ there was probably enough information around in January (maybe a month or so before for somebody well informed?) for a smart investor to make that decision. When did he buy the stock?

I believe he bought end of last year, before we knew about the virus, so it was more likely a fluke investment, but with this guy you never know; at around the same time BH was holding $128bn cash, which was rather odd considering the markets were firing along quite well.

[Bettyboo]

I believe he bought end of last year, before we knew about the virus, so it was more likely a fluke investment, but with this guy you never know; at around the same time BH was holding $128bn cash, which was rather odd considering the markets were firing along quite well.

There's little doubt that what we see and reality are often very far apart... &, the media is more a distraction than a report on the truth.

[OhOh]

this should have been the WHO's advice from January.

Pneumonia of unknown cause – China

Disease outbreak news
5 January 2020

WHO | Pneumonia of unknown cause – China


The WHO, being an "advisory " institution, with no compulsory powers, acted:

"Mission statement"

The Bulletin seeks to publish and disseminate scientifically rigorous public health information of international significance that enables policy-makers, researchers and practitioners to be more effective; it aims to improve health, particularly among disadvantaged populations."

WHO | Mission statement


Has continued to issue their "advice", from then on. Revising it as more country provided information became available.

that is what they are paid to do

The WHO has continued to issue their "advice":

WHO | Novel Coronavirus – Thailand (ex-China)
....

and what they have been planning for).

Plenty of advice, available to all country Health Authorities. Unfortunately the individual countries had failed to act for years

1. Goverment Budgets
2. Health Authorities turning national investigations/report recommendations into actioned deliverables, capacity, equipment purchase, staff training, ....

[Bettyboo]

Pneumonia of unknown cause – China

Disease outbreak news
5 January 2020

WHO | Pneumonia of unknown cause – China


....

The WHO, if they were a professional and well managed organisation, would have issued something like this back in January:



They did not.

They've had since SARS (17 years or so) to prepare, and this specific threat has been very high up, if not top, of their very well funded agenda...

[jabir]

No 10 drops China from coronavirus death toll list

Downing Street has removed China from a list of international comparisons for the spread of the coronavirus amid concerns over the accuracy of the country’s figures.


Until Thursday China was one of nine nations included in a “global death comparison” published by No 10 as part of its daily press conference. The data suggested that there were fewer deaths in China than in most other countries.


China reported only 12 new cases of the virus yesterday, 11 of which were imported from abroad, and no new deaths. The country’s official death toll currently stands at 4,632, much lower than the UK’s figure of 19,506.


Some Conservative MPs are concerned that inaccurate data from China, which is used to gauge the success of Britain’s response...


No 10 drops China from coronavirus death toll list | News | The Times

Might do well to closer examine daily reports from other countries; as things stand the only numbers I pay attention to are from Europe/US, and that's with a hefty dose of scepticism. How did we got so messed up so quickly?

[Bettyboo]

It seems like the BBC is getting around to things I was saying 3 months ago...

I really cannot understand why the UK/EU/US idiots were looking at countries like Italy instead of countries like Korea and Taiwan - terrible management by many leaders in the UK/US/EU, imho - following models from countries that failed instead of countries that were successful, just stupid.

[OhOh]

The WHO, if they were a professional and well managed organisation, would have issued something like this back in January:

They, WHO, acted on what they knew at the time and referred, ALL, to their "advice" bulletins it has been issuing for years. But many chose to ignore the "advice".

As had the national Governments/HA's. Although as illustrated had not taken, intentionally, to prepare for the known risks.

They've had since SARS (17 years or so) to prepare, and this specific threat has been very high up, if not top, of their very well funded agenda...

[AntRobertson]

It seems like the BBC is getting around to things I was saying 3 months ago...

But weren't you saying a few weeks ago that the BBC was one-eyed, biased, and inherently unreliable... ?

[jabir]

They, WHO, acted on what they knew at the time and referred, ALL, to their "advice" bulletins it has been issuing for years. But many chose to ignore the "advice".

As had the national Governments/HA's. Although as illustrated had not taken, intentionally, to prepare for the known risks.

I don't know if you noticed it but millions less besotted with China did, that something serious was going down when the WHO praised China early on for its transparency and prompt action.

Could go on, but that would be pointless if it's outside your safe zone that pockets at the WHO are bulging with Chinese money.

[harrybarracuda]

Another wonder cure, this time from the four by twos.

The Israel Institute for Biological Research (IIBR) has completed the development phase of COVID-19 antibody or passive vaccine, according to a statement by the Defense Ministry.

Defense Minister Naftali Bennett visited the Ness Ziona-based lab on Monday and was briefed by the research team, who revealed a breakthrough antibody that attacks the virus and neutralizes it in the body.

IIBR is now working to patent its antibody and secure a contract for its commercial development. All legal procedures will be coordinated with the Defense Ministry.

“I am proud of the Biological Institute staff, who have made a major breakthrough,” Bennett said Monday. “The Jewish creativity and ingenuity brought about this amazing achievement.”

Last month, IIBR announced that it had begun testing its antibody-based vaccine prototype on rodents.

IIBR is also involved in plasma collection from people who have recovered from infection with the new coronavirus, in the hope that this might help research.

A second Israeli research team, MigVax, has also reported that it is close to completing the first phase of development of a coronavirus vaccine. Last week, it secured a $12 million investment from OurCrowd to accelerate the path to clinical trials.

MigVax is an affiliate of the MIGAL Galilee Research Institute.

Israel's IIBR completes development phase of COVID-19 antibody - The Jerusalem Post

[OhOh]

I don't know if you noticed it but millions less besotted with China did, that something serious was going down when the WHO praised China early on for its transparency and prompt action.

I applaud all countries that chose to act, which they decided themselves. Based on previous WHO bulletins, issued from Jan 2020 or during the previous years. Whichever route they took

Unfortunately many had not the "tools" available, to improve their citizens safety. To actually deliver, politically, administratively or quickly create.

[Bettyboo]

^ I'd tend to believe the Israeli ideas over most (sneaky bastards, but put $$$ into the right areas and are often very effective at what they do). However, I very much doubt one's religion had any affect on the creativity and ingenuity as stated/suggested by the defence minister.

But weren't you saying a few weeks ago that the BBC was one-eyed, biased, and inherently unreliable... ?

Well pointed out, Ant, and they are also at least 3 months out of date...

Most (if not all) major media outlets are pretty dire nowadays and the BBC is no exception. Actually, a major negative in this pandemic has been the media coverage (both big $ like the BBC and the social media channels).

[Dragonfly]

That's a ridiculous analogy as a 'first wave' hasn't ended yet, let alone a second wave to be calculated. The assumption that you and others have, who believe in this, is that the majority of the population have been exposed to the virus in a 'first wave' - which is not the case.

possibly, will see, but the medical consensus is still that a second wave is highly probable, a minority believe it will pause naturally

[Dragonfly]

^ Very good.

If the virus isn't given the opportunity to spread and its 'lifespan' is fourteen/twenty-one days, it will die out - logic 101.
(This presupposes the scientists are correct in c-19's 'lifespan')

except it doesn't work that way, if it did, we wouldn't have any new cases after 2 weeks, keep up with the news, will you

there is always a factor for the spread, hence lockdowns don't work as predicted by MSF

[harrybarracuda]

I applaud all countries that chose to act, which they decided themselves. Based on previous WHO bulletins, issued from Jan 2020 or during the previous years. Whichever route they took

Unfortunately many had not the "tools" available, to improve their citizens safety. To actually deliver, politically, administratively or quickly create.

They might have had the "tools" available if the chinkies hadn't lied about the nature of the epidemic and sneakily bought up all the relevant medical supplies before anyone noticed.

[Troy]

except it doesn't work that way, if it did, we wouldn't have any new cases after 2 weeks, keep up with the news, will you

there is always a factor for the spread, hence lockdowns don't work as predicted by MSF

A total lockdown would work but is not possible. Essential workers are required and so it is only ever a partial lockdown. An essential worker living in an apartment block and exposed to the virus is just one simple example of cases continuing.

Targeted lockdowns on suspected cases and possible exposures is a better method. Germany is taking this approach and they appear to have the virus under control.

Some may recall the mad cow disease debacle in the UK. Those doing the testing ended up spreading the virus. A colleague refused to allow them on his farm and it saved his cattle.

[jabir]

I applaud all countries that chose to act, which they decided themselves. Based on previous WHO bulletins, issued from Jan 2020 or during the previous years. Whichever route they took

Unfortunately many had not the "tools" available, to improve their citizens safety. To actually deliver, politically, administratively or quickly create.

What were CPC tools when it became clear that a) the virus was out of control and b) it was transmitting human2human?

Here's a clue: deceit and delay, on the one hand restricting medical related exports, while the other went on a frenzied worldwide shopping spree for medical equipment.

Don't even try, the CPC propaganda machine doesn't need your help.

[HuangLao]

It seems like the BBC is getting around to things I was saying 3 months ago...

I really cannot understand why the UK/EU/US idiots were looking at countries like Italy instead of countries like Korea and Taiwan - terrible management by many leaders in the UK/US/EU, imho - following models from countries that failed instead of countries that were successful, just stupid.

More than likely that the UK/EU/US were taking in their usual and instinctive perspective as such might apply to modeling/learning from a supposedly inferior Asia.
These blinded and ignorant mindsets were/are terribly destructive and continue to be so.

[jabir]

I would put some of that down to the sheer arrogance of European leaders that believe they know the CPC better than China's own neighbours, which at the first whiff of something not quite right started closing the shutters.

[Dragonfly]

I would put some of that down to the sheer arrogance of European leaders that believe they know the CPC better than China's own neighbours, which at the first whiff of something not quite right started closing the shutters.

definitely, our leaders are naive and incompetent, act on short term ideas, and when that fails, they find something else or someone else to blame

we fucked up, plain and simple, didn't take the threat seriously, from COVID-1, and because we weren't prepared, we ignored the whole thing like it didn't exist

[HuangLao]

definitely, our leaders are naive and incompetent, act on short term ideas, and when that fails, they find something else or someone else to blame

we fucked up, plain and simple, didn't take the threat seriously, from COVID-1, and because we weren't prepared, we ignored the whole thing like it didn't exist

Exceptional and enlightened.

[harrybarracuda]

No. She goes from saying there was a 96% genetic match (or some such wording...) to saying they matched perfectly; even though a 96% genetic match isn't particularly high depending on context - i.e. chimps and humans have been stated by some studies to share 98% of dna, in Cyrille's case considerably higher...

But, as this has turned into a comedy thread, I thought I'd add it to the insanity.

The research facility had funding from much further afield than China too.

The problem is people confusing it being man-made in a lab to it being a dumb chinky spilling samples and not following proper protocols.

The latter is a possibility.

Some chinky munching a bat and pangolin sandwich is still favourite.