The COVID-2019 Thread

[panama hat]

Sweden is twice the size of Britain and has a population a seventh of the size.

Its a lot easier for them to social distance.

Not really as Sweden's population is highly urbanised. Close to 90% live in an urban environment, UK is 83% - so, that contradicts your point, really.

[Klondyke]

indeed, the UK like France, Spain and Italy couldn't handle the surge after years of neglect of their Public Health policies

COVID is not killing people, our political incompetence is

Not really "our" but political incompetence sure. And not only the political one...

It gives some food for braining: Why the 2 richest countries are on the top of the list?

[jabir]

It is way too early for such conclusions, the fat lady hasn't sung yet.

I agree, fact is nobody knows which gov got it right, or which of their policies or combination of policies is better than any other, nobody knows wtf we're dealing with, nobody knows if the other boot will drop or when or what causes it or whether it will be milder or worse than what's already on the street. What's concerning is not the death toll or the test/infection rate but that several months in and we're still in the dark.

For testing, sure it's better than nothing, but as pointed out it is only effective if done continuously as a monitor. Results from spray and pray are not immediate, so that subjects may have contracted the virus even before they get the all clear; that's good innit, now all bigged up with a soporific they can go spread it. From a lay pov, surely the best test methodology is to test only those displaying symptoms, and this would release ample spare capacity for vulnerable groups and to blanket test known hotspots.

[jabir]

...and today's figures from worldometers.info show

UK cases per million 2685 UK; Deaths per million 414
Sweden cases per million 2186; Deaths per million 264

UK deaths so far ... 28,131 deaths yesterday +621

Sweden deaths so far 2,669 deaths yesterday +16

Makes UK look like a total failure in controlling the pandemic....

Death, murder even, by incompetence...

No horse in your spat, but there are so many methodological flaws in this correlation that it's hardly worth addressing.







Spurious Correlations

[panama hat]

It gives some food for braining: Why the 2 richest countries are on the top of the list?

As per GDP?

• United States.
• China.
• Japan.
• Germany.
• India.
• United Kingdom.
• France.
• Italy.

PPP?

• United Arab Emirates
• Norway
• Brunei
• Ireland
• Singapore
• Luxembourg
• Qatar

Several other ways to measure or did you miss out on

... food for braining...

when you were growing up?

[cyrille]

Sweden's population is highly urbanised.

The idea that because one country has fewer people per square kilometre than another, it means they're all an extra few metres apart is...kind of amusing.

Especially for a country with fookin tundra.

[panama hat]

Especially for a country with fookin tundra.

You got a problem with the tundra, white boy????

[Troy]

No horse in your spat, but there are so many methodological flaws in this correlation that it's hardly worth addressing.







Spurious Correlations

If you'd been following along you would understand that I am saying you can't compare the two countries using the stats provided by each and even if you could the strategies are different and can't be compared at this stage anyway.

A simple analogy would be comparing two F1 cars at lap 20 of 100 when one is out on the track and the other has been in the pits and hasn't come out yet.

[Latindancer]

'How is this possible?' Researchers grapple with Covid-19's mysterious mechanism

Doctors are still exploring exactly how the coronavirus affects the body, and what its long-term impacts might be.


Respiratory physician Dr David Darley says something peculiar happens to a small group of Covid-19 patients on day seven of their symptoms.
“Up until the end of that first week, they’re stable,” says Darley, a doctor with Sydney’s St Vincent’s Hospital. “And then suddenly, they have this hyper-inflammatory response. The proteins involved in that inflammation start circulating in the body at high levels.”

'How is this possible?' Researchers grapple with Covid-19's mysterious mechanism | World news | The Guardian

[sabang]

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum
Anyway, who the fuck wants the respect of the credulous lumpen masses??

Politicians.

[Bettyboo]

Some numbers across March, April and May.

Here's a comparison from exactly one month ago to now - hard to believe isn't it.

3rd March:





Today:

[Dillinger]

Especially for a country with fookin tundra.

The UK has uninhabitable places too, like West Brom and your part of Birmingham

[Dillinger]

Not really as Sweden's population is highly urbanised. Close to 90% live in an urban environment, UK is 83% - so, that contradicts your point, really.

Sweden is 85% as you will already know but feel the need for some reason to over-exaggerate that.

Stockholm with a population of 2.4 million is spead over 14 islands

The rest of the Sweden is spread accross Cities with small populations of between 10,000 - 100,000 residents.

Fuck all like the UK

Shove that up your didgeridoo, Brucechai

https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...en-population/

[OhOh]

Get ready for your post-apocalyptic restaurant experience....

Don't be coy 'arry.

Available in your neck of the woods for decades:

[Dillinger]

The UK has 69 Cities housing 70 million. Sweden has 152 cities for 10 million with only Stockholm encorporating more than a million.

You can't compare that to the UK's jammed Cities

[Seekingasylum]

Also, Sweden has a functioning government with a disciplined intelligent population of socially responsible citizens whereas England is little more than a reservoir for the stupid led by a buffoon and his inept rabble lurching from chaos to confusion via a roadmap of incompetence.

[NamPikToot]

Dill, this is about blame not the virus, its also about hindsight and keyboard experts who are currently using data for comparison which is likely hugely inaccurate - its a question of whether the virus plays out before Brexit.

EDIT

^ speaking of expert wankers

[Seekingasylum]

One didn't need hindsight you oik, the Italians were telling the Clown three weeks before the eventual measures were belatedly imposed that death was on its way and thousands would be victims.

BoJo and his rabble of Orcs ignored the warning.

Your Brexit is nothing but a coffin for the English economy.

Lost your job yet?

Har, har.

[OhOh]

“What this would do is give those that have felt harm by COVID-19 — family members that have lost their life, people that have lost their livelihood, have had that adverse impact — they would be able to file a lawsuit against the Chinese Communist Party,”

If the American's can proove without any doubt the Chinese done wrong and covered up the onset of the virus then let the world sue the fuckers.

US politicians' lawsuit farce against China a shame of civilization: People's Daily commentary

US politicians' lawsuit farce against China a shame of civilization: People's Daily commentary - Opinion - Chinadaily.com.cn

Snippets:

"BEIJING - A commentary to be carried by the Sunday edition of the People's Daily slams some US politicians for politicizing the COVID-19 pandemic, stigmatizing China, and pursuing the so-called recrimination and retribution through frivolous litigations.

Such acts posed an open challenge to international rules and laws, said the commentary under the byline of Zhong Sheng.

The pandemic outbreak is a public health emergency of international concern, also "a force majeure" in law, the article noted.

Facts have shown that China's efforts to combat the COVID-19 pandemic are not the cause of the explosive virus outbreak in the United States, said the article.

Being the first country to report the pandemic does not make China the origin of the novel coronavirus, the commentary underscored, highlighting that the origin of the virus, a serious scientific matter, should only be the subject of study for scientists and medical experts.

"The couclusion should not be drawn on the basis of the lunatic imagination of some US politicians," said the article.
Citing views of Tom Ginsburg, a professor of international law at the University of Chicago, the article noted that talk of filing lawsuits against China is a political move by Republican leaders facing an election in November.

The commentary also raised the following questions:

1.
The 1918 flu pandemic starting from the United States resulted in a huge humanitarian disaster across the world, has the United States been held accountable?

"In the United States, the disease was first observed in Haskell County, Kansas, in January 1918, prompting local doctor Loring Miner to warn the US Public Health Service's academic journal. On 4 March 1918, company cook Albert Gitchell, from Haskell County, reported sick at Fort Riley, a US military facility that at the time was training American troops during World War I, making him the first recorded victim of the flu."

Spanish flu - Wikipedia

2.
AIDS was first reported in the United States and then swept across the world, should the United States compensate 75 million HIV carriers and 35 million AIDS-related dead victims?

"AIDS was first clinically reported on June 5, 1981, with five cases in the United States"

HIV/AIDS - Wikipedia


3.
The 2008 financial turmoil triggered by Wall Streetturned into a global financial crisis, and when will the United States repay the trillions of US dollars lost globally?

"The crisis began in 2007 with a depreciation in the subprime mortgage market in the United States, and it developed into an international banking crisis with the collapse of the investment bank Lehman Brothers on September 15, 2008"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financ...007%E2%80%9308

4.
People should have the right to ask why the CT images of patients in the outbreak of Electronic-Cigarette-Associated Acute Lipoid Pneumonia in August last year in the United States are so similar to those caused by the COVID-19 pandemic.

"In recent months, more than 200 possible cases of acute lung injury potentially associated with vaping were reported from 25 states (1). During July and August 2019, five patients were identified at two hospitals in North Carolina with acute lung injury potentially associated with e-cigarette use.:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/31513559


5.
What had happened in Fort Detrick in Maryland?"

"The statement said the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention decided to issue a “cease and desist order” last month to halt the research at Fort Detrick because the center did not have “sufficient systems in place to decontaminate wastewater” from its highest-security labs."

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/05/h...biohazard.html


6.
The 2020 financial turmoil
....

[NamPikToot]

Lost your job yet? Har, har.

Nope and I won't but i do feel for those that have or maybe will and the consequential impact on their and their families lives. Really your comment is you in a nutshell - you have likely spent your life getting pleasure out of others misery as a way to deflect from your own failure, its about little victories for you - its one shot game and you lost ...stuck in your flat....har har har.

ps

have you considered Canada or is that out of your price range.

[Forethat]

You can"t compare Sweden with countries under lockdown until they ease restrictions. If a solution is found quickly then Sweden have made a mistake, if not then their method may be an aim for easing restrictions and sustaining the economy.

I'm not the one comparing Sweden with countries. YOU ARE! I'm only pointing out from a factual perspective that Sweden is not doing so well as people think.

Remember the Imperial College model did not include economic effects.

If you've read (you've proven several times you can't read, but hey ho) my posts I've been adamant that I'm posting stats from a health perspective. I've declared that there's an economic side that I'm not covering.

If you are working for the government then stop deflecting and start worrying about how many deaths have occurred in the UK due to bad policies that failed to isolate clusters to start with and ended up ruining the economy as well.

Deflecting!? Are you stupid!? Where am I deflecting? I'm giving you facts. All of a sudden I'm being accused of NOT worrying about deaths. Come on now, retard, not even YOU are that thick.

The chart for May you keep posting shows Sweden is testing.

Yes, Sweden is testing. But they are NOT testing as much as the UK. You claimed they did. To prove your point you attached a chart which incorrectly shows that Sweden is testing MORE than the UK. If you knew ANYTHING about testing you could drill down in the data you referred to. Unlike yourself, I'm going to include a link to the chart YOU posted (generally, it's a good idea to post a link, otherwise you'll come across as someone who has something to hide).
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/full-list-cumulative-total-tests-per-thousand?time=2020-03-01..&country=SWE+United%20Kingdom%2C%20tests%20per formed+GBR
If you open the link above, you'll find a tab labelled "Data". Click on that link and you'll download the alleged data used to plot the chart you referred to. When you've done that you'll notice that the data isn't raw - it's a presentation, a calculation that MUST include two data points: the number of tests and the population size. However, they don't specify any of those data points. In addition, the source is specified as "Official Sources COllated by Our World in Data". At another location, you can find information about the Swedish source. Namely, here:
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-testing#source-information-country-by-country
It is specified as "Public Health Agency". I've looked at that page and found that they don't publish the exact figure of how many tests have been performed. The only data that can be found is "A total of almost 119,200 individuals' samples have been analyzed since the diagnostics were set up in Sweden. Data is preliminary and subject to change.", which seems to be consistent with the figure published at worldometers.info which states 119,500 tests for Sweden (in addition, they refer to the exact same data source):
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?fbclid=IwAR0zCkADGS2qDjpYdTTuMncnNbRjOlmukZXt8Qb7 kpXfPeIVXjZAlYFcZ88&__cf_chl_captcha_tk__=c4f0806c 706d237c8744e76d6ad2da6457553ae0-1587657701-0-AQMXgUKMm4iZAuqMBGt3miksaFgigbjpv67PlUs_7g3PcnoOka iFlTU4BqRnzaJjG7bz6ANfnOvVfwj5UH3fC62-1yCFNC_0pndAfieqvJICLsskl4X4upmV3r1M566bXPhzK_QPQy BZKNW8C9p8M7FQfml5SRwxCTquwSx9yD53K_8sYppV1KjS1LCS R-gsOpRDCmfZV9XD6tlhaK3HPnO1Tpmi6QExyZTYxKDUy8PhqexS 0rTmbMaZukT1xlSZybh1xg5qY7UwKRmtoyazQqLwKGwqyhj5m8 TvJkxleAQjYmSUCUW8K6We6bc38EMi08Bsdlv_uIuTrHWTbUh8 nvbf0JZatWoRtdsux50qKR0izye6SRRCSpg0QNAyagYSooHdTU 3bt1guJXLKe0DnGg711uXEnViHHGGlI7RBcChrvk2nkJEsopaJ pmILnZmwyBA0-QXpLtyg2608HGMG5I5UDItjJpqfxtRptXvZON8Zk3OowCWFM6L FZf2T-N5z0HYujG27tfFp-A6wj9dGoAIDLq9Xexhdzz_teI57M7bkAjODwVr8Dyuw8wrckye Ru-JU7i4rJHx0lKBekfTRSXZPfyJBWuimzOqvuiSjHPxI#countri es

If we collect the data for the UK using the exact same principle (go to the referenced data source and collect the actual figure we discover that the declared number of tests in the UK is 1,023,824 (May 1).
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-information-for-the-public#history

Now we only need to find the population size for Sweden and UK to complete our collection of data points. World Bank is a reliable source and they specify the UK population at 66,886,011. Accidentally, this is the exact same figure specified by the source YOU referred to (Our World in Data). According to the same source, the population in sweden is 10,175,214
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SP.POP.TOTL?locations=GB

We now have all our data points and can do the maths:
Testing in Sweden: 119,500 tests divided by 10,175,214 = 0.01174422
Testing in the UK: 1,023,824 tests divided by 66,886,011 = 0.015307

So, the answer to the question "Does Sweden test more than the UK?" is: No, they don't, the UK test more. Far more. They test more in absolute numbers AND as a percentage of the population. Case closed.

Here's an advice: the next time you read something in the paper or see something in a picture, don't believe everything to be true or accurate. And when someone points out that you are wrong, don't be so fucking insulting, because there are people out there who actually knows their stuff. Instead, learn to admit that you were wrong.

You are the one being obtuse or trolling and started the abuse.

I didn't start the abuse you moron. You did. Here's the post where you started it.

(The COVID-2019 Thread)https://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asia-news/195251-covid-2019-thread-214.html#post4098036

Now crawl back under your feckin' bridge, twat.

[NamPikToot]

Now crawl back under your feckin' bridge, twat.

Is this why you departed TV? you can make all the points you like but you won't be "right", it will take a few years to get a more accurate picture of what is / has happened and even then we may never be certain - the only thing we can be certain of atm is that more will die and that this event will keep University professors et al is clover for years.

[Forethat]

Nope . . . others like Dragonfly for sure

I don't care if you and/or others like him. He's a twat and I will continue to treat him like the bitch he is.
Actually, you're a perfect example of what's wrong with TVF - you don't really have a clue who threw the first turd, but you THINK it wasn't your pal.
Well, you're wrong. It was your lovely little gullible friend Dragonfly who threw the first turd. As far as I'm concerned he's one of the biggest floppiest twats I've read on a forum.

[NamPikToot]

I don't care if you and/or others like him. He's a twat and I will continue to treat him like the bitch he is.

Its not a question of like. The forum is opinions but you don't seem to like others opinions so why don't you fuk off back to your echo chamber and review your posts and have a good tug over how clever you are - its clear you don't need anyone else.

[Forethat]

Is this why you departed TV? you can make all the points you like but you won't be "right", it will take a few years to get a more accurate picture of what is / has happened and even then we may never be certain - the only thing we can be certain of atm is that more will die and that this event will keep University professors et al is clover for years.

Well, if you have time you should go back and read my posts where I state exactly what you now say. Exactly that. In fact, I'll help you:
(The COVID-2019 Thread)https://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asia-news/195251-covid-2019-thread-216.html#post4098194
(The COVID-2019 Thread)https://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asia-news/195251-covid-2019-thread-216.html#post4098202

Completely agree. No one knows what the best way is until the results are in. At this point, we can only judge by the EXISTING data.

My guess is that in the end, unless a country had the correct strategy from the start, countries will end up with a figure that is proportionally equal to the population density in comparison with other countries.