The COVID-2019 Thread

[cyrille]

Just how dumb are you. People in care homes have very limited freedom of movement

And there I was, holding off from the obvious conclusion that you are a raging moron.

Sneezing in your wheelchair isn't an olympic event, you simpleton.

The government's one size fits all policy of locking up everyone...

A policy so woefully misguided that you have to paint an absurd caricature of it.

Righto.

[PlanK]

We're close.
Some TDoorians seem to be there already.
The special 'ahead of curve' crowd is emerging.

[OhOh]

Remdesovir may be what the world is waiting for.

Availability timescale and treatment requirements/cost? Any special equipment, plastic bucket supplier, facilities, training or ongoing care required.

Like USA facility only, USA citizenship, sanction free countries, US$ oil purchases, amount of US bonds held, 5G free telecoms, Google rep score ... ?

[cyrille]

Obviously the stupidity was in the ridiculous 'herd immunity' policy.

A fig leaf used by the UK government in particular, because they missed the boat on acquiring enough testing kits, ventilators and PPE.

Partly because they opted out of an EU-wide initiative to secure tons of the stuff.

UK missed three chances to join EU scheme to bulk-buy PPE | Politics | The Guardian

[baldrick]

The special 'ahead of curve' crowd is emerging

the special needs - like going to starbucks and macdonalds

[panama hat]

People in care homes have very limited freedom of movement, that's why they are in care homes.

Yes, and . . .

Why would you say that? 'all those' are mostly alive because they aren't being infected by visitors. Kinda logical.

[OhOh]

expert opinion should be based on science, otherwise they wouldn't be experts

Which international body decides what is science and what is horseshit?

Chinese figures can be trusted, study finds


"New ways of counting deaths sees total rise

A fraud detection law can reject the claim that China's COVID-19 data has been manipulated, a study has found, suggesting that policy makers in the rest of the world should trust the Chinese data and formulate policy accordingly.

The study, released on Monday, is co-authored by Christoffer Koch from the research department of the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas, and Ken Okamura from the Said Business School at the University of Oxford.

It said China's confirmed infections matched the distribution expected in Benford's Law and are similar to those seen in the United States and Italy, and thus they could find no evidence of manipulation.

Benford's Law is used to detect fraud or flaws in data collection based on the distribution of the first digits of observed data, and is widely applied in economics and accounting. It was also used to examine the reported weekly number of confirmed cases from 35 countries during the H1N1 pandemic in 2009.

Though it is possible to create data series that fit Benford's Law, to manipulate the Chinese data in this fashion would require someone to coordinate daily announcements across all provinces, while accurately forecasting future infection rates. This, the study found, is improbable.

As China is at least a month ahead of Europe and six weeks ahead of the US, its data should be used not only for the calibration of models to inform policy measures to slow infection, but also for guidance in the lifting of stay-at-home orders, it added.

The city of Wuhan in Hubei province has revised up its number of confirmed COVID-19 cases by 325 to 50,333, and added 1,290 more fatalities, taking the total to 3,869 as of the end of April 16. This ,reflected incorrect reporting, delays and omissions, according to the Wuhan municipal headquarters in charge of COVID-19 epidemic prevention and control.

Similar adjustment has been seen in the Spanish region of Catalonia, which on April 15 announced an additional 3,242 novel coronavirus deaths, nearly doubling its previous tally. According to Reuters, it cited a change in methodology to include data from funerary services on suspected and confirmed COVID-19 deaths in nursing homes and private homes.

On Wednesday, the British government for the first time released the full daily COVID-19 death toll.
The previous UK daily toll only comprised of people died in hospital who had tested positive for the novel coronavirus.

The Office for National Statistics released a second toll several days later that included deaths in care homes and the community.

Wednesday's new combined daily total was 765. The total number of COVID-19 deaths in the UK has exceeded 26,000."

Chinese figures can be trusted, study finds - Chinadaily.com.cn

[OhOh]

A fig leaf used by the UK government in particular, because they missed the boat on acquiring enough testing kits, ventilators and PPE.

Partly because they opted out of an EU-wide initiative to secure tons of the stuff.

Specific actions were taken, by numerous governments, to ignore proven simulated testing of medical facilities ability to manage such outbreaks.

In the UK an aircraft carrier was built and delivered for use, to others, it's nuclear deterrent enhanced for use, if accepted by others... The ex PMs did get plenty of gold though.

Others did similar.

[OhOh]

the special needs

They only need to visit TD's cooking threads to meet their peers.

[Loy Toy]

Availability timescale and treatment requirements/cost? Any special equipment, plastic bucket supplier, facilities, training or ongoing care required.

Like USA facility only, USA citizenship, sanction free countries, US$ oil purchases, amount of US bonds held, 5G free telecoms, Google rep score ... ?

As far as I know they conducted a test of 1,000 patients who had symptoms of the full blown Covid virus with 500 given the Remdesivir treatment and 500 had placebos.

The 500 that had the treatment experienced improved physical condition within 24 hours and recovered fully 4 days earlier than the patients that had the placebos.

Not a cure or vaccine but a treatment that works better then what is available today.

A step in the right direction.

[Cujo]

Which international body decides what is science and what is horseshit?

Chinese figures can be trusted, study finds


"New ways of counting deaths sees total rise

A fraud detection law can reject the claim that China's COVID-19 data has been manipulated, a study has found, suggesting that policy makers in the rest of the world should trust the Chinese data and formulate policy accordingly.

The study, released on Monday, is co-authored by Christoffer Koch from the research department of the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas, and Ken Okamura from the Said Business School at the University of Oxford.

It said China's confirmed infections matched the distribution expected in Benford's Law and are similar to those seen in the United States and Italy, and thus they could find no evidence of manipulation.

Benford's Law is used to detect fraud or flaws in data collection based on the distribution of the first digits of observed data, and is widely applied in economics and accounting. It was also used to examine the reported weekly number of confirmed cases from 35 countries during the H1N1 pandemic in 2009.

Though it is possible to create data series that fit Benford's Law, to manipulate the Chinese data in this fashion would require someone to coordinate daily announcements across all provinces, while accurately forecasting future infection rates. This, the study found, is improbable.

As China is at least a month ahead of Europe and six weeks ahead of the US, its data should be used not only for the calibration of models to inform policy measures to slow infection, but also for guidance in the lifting of stay-at-home orders, it added.

The city of Wuhan in Hubei province has revised up its number of confirmed COVID-19 cases by 325 to 50,333, and added 1,290 more fatalities, taking the total to 3,869 as of the end of April 16. This ,reflected incorrect reporting, delays and omissions, according to the Wuhan municipal headquarters in charge of COVID-19 epidemic prevention and control.

Similar adjustment has been seen in the Spanish region of Catalonia, which on April 15 announced an additional 3,242 novel coronavirus deaths, nearly doubling its previous tally. According to Reuters, it cited a change in methodology to include data from funerary services on suspected and confirmed COVID-19 deaths in nursing homes and private homes.

On Wednesday, the British government for the first time released the full daily COVID-19 death toll.
The previous UK daily toll only comprised of people died in hospital who had tested positive for the novel coronavirus.

The Office for National Statistics released a second toll several days later that included deaths in care homes and the community.

Wednesday's new combined daily total was 765. The total number of COVID-19 deaths in the UK has exceeded 26,000."

Chinese figures can be trusted, study finds - Chinadaily.com.cn

Please find better sources.

China Daily (Chinese: 中国日报; pinyin: Zhōngguó Rìbào) is an English-language daily newspaper owned by the propoganda Department of the Communist Party of China and published in the People's Republic of China.

China Daily - Wikipedia

I don't believe them for a MINUTE.
Lying comes so naturally to the chinese, on a personal level as well as an institutional level.

Someone once said to me many years ago "How do you know if a Chinese is lying? His lips are moving", It's proved true over time.

[Klondyke]

Reminds of this, close enough to be relevant:

Actually, there is one explanation (hypothesis) why the former Eastern Block countries, fare better than the other "developed" countries:

For years everybody has been vaccinated against TBC, without any discussions of "experts", I want, I do not want. Then, the resistibility against TBC helps the resistibility against other flu-like diseases...

[Klondyke]

I don't believe them for a MINUTE.
Lying comes so naturally to the chinese, on a personal level as well as an institutional level.

Someone once said to me many years ago "How do you know if a Chinese is lying? His lips are moving", It's proved true over time.

In contrast to other more reliable ethnicities (please no names) who many times have proved their veracity...

[Latindancer]

^^ True...it does.

[harrybarracuda]

Which international body decides what is science and what is horseshit?

Chinese figures can be trusted, say two number crunchers who want to look good with the chinkies

The study, released on Monday, is co-authored by Christoffer Koch from the research department of the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas, and Ken Okamura from the Said Business School at the University of Oxford.
Chinese figures can be trusted, study finds - Chinadaily.com.cn

FTFY.



Added:

Fucking hell, the chinkies have their hooks into the "Said Business School", don't they? No wonder students are complaining about universities kowtowing to them.

[HermantheGerman]

Sneezing in your wheelchair isn't an olympic event, you simpleton.

Gesundheit !

I send you a green handkerchief.

[harrybarracuda]

So apparently four months in Vietnam claims it has not had a single death from the virus.

I find that hard to believe.

Coronavirus: Vietnam has recorded no deaths four months into the pandemic

[harrybarracuda]

The Northern Territory Will Officially Allow Bars And Restaurants To Begin Re-Opening In Two Weeks

https://www.pedestrian.tv/news/northern-territory-nt-reopen-bars-restaurants-clubs-gyms/


It gonna be like...

[PlanK]

It gonna be like an Invalid Attachment?

???

[Cujo]

Unbelievable. Reporter takes Pence to task for saying they would have done 4 million test by now, Pence replies we've done 4 million TESTS. I never said we would PROCESS 4 million tests.
Not much f'ing point having a test done if you can't get results FFS.
What a fucking clown show.



Check out Trumps smug look at 0.45

By the way, is it my imagination or has the golden combover been swapped out for a grey fox look?

[Cujo]

In contrast to other more reliable ethnicities (please no names) who many times have proved their veracity...

Not 'in contrast' to anyone you fuckwit.
On a stand alone objective basis.

[Forethat]

I thought a doctor was required to pronounce deded

A doctor is required to issue a death certificate. No need to test anything. When it comes to COVID-19 there's no need to test whether the patient is SARS-CoV-2 positive. Clinical judgment is in effect.

[Klondyke]

As said cleverly before me:

You'd think the capitalists would approve of this, but no. It's socialism for them, and capitalism for the poor.

That statement is valid also for all the other problems coming to the air now, seeing the horrible daily figures - results of:

Public health system...

(anyway, there is always a way: throw it on POTUS - and he will throw it on Chinese...)

[baldrick]

(anyway, there is always a way: throw it on POTUS - and he will throw it on Chinese...)

he can build a wall - a GREAT wall

[Cujo]

The sources of the "Scientific Paper" are highlighted:

"scientific paper"? presented by some guy 'from ' a business school and a guy from a bank for the communist propoganda rag the China daily.
If that's the best you can do well you might as well give up.
Yeah but no thanks, I'll get my 'scientific studies' from actual scientists.


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