The COVID-2019 Thread

[jabir]

Just the reports and interviews on the last couple of pages from 200 says there will be a major power shift from EU and US toward a China that will come out of this far from spotless but intact and able to restore its economy sooner than anyone else.

The major powers have mishandled this from day one, and when a breathing space arrives it will be filled with every world leader on the back foot, trying to defend their actions. All fingers will point at China, but so what, it's only talk and who would bet against the CPC to win any war of words?

Of course the Chinese economy will also be hurt, since it depends on demand from the rest of the world, but hard though simple fact is that the ideology puts the state before the people, and in this sort of situation it beats meek democracies hands down.

[Troy]

..and from the looks of it, you folks are going to suffer the most - simply by the manner in which you're handling/approaching this mess.

Going to explain that one Jeff?

[Klondyke]

^Then, it is comforting to know that USA is self-sufficient as we learned here recently. And the 25 millions of containers every year imported on top of it (OK, not all from China, just some 80%) - a train 6 times around the world - are just some silly gadgets...

[Troy]

ut hard though simple fact is that the ideology puts the state before the people, and in this sort of situation it beats meek democracies hands down.

Should that be beating liberalism hands down rather than democracies?

[jabir]

Fair comment, I was trying to be polite.

[Troy]

Frontline health workers and patients in France may be given nicotine patches after studies found that four times fewer smokers contracted Covid-19 than non-smokers.

It may sound counterintuitive that people who puff on Gauloises are less likely to catch a virus that can cause deadly attacks on the lungs. However, that was the statistical outcome of an in-depth study conducted by the Pasteur Institute, a leading French research centre into the disease.

The institute tested almost 700 teachers and pupils of a school in Crépy-en-Valois in one of the hardest-hit areas in France, as well as their families. The “highly accurate” tests found that only 7.2 per cent of smokers from among the adults tested were infected while four times as many non-smokers, some 28 per cent, were infected.

Smokers 'four times less likely' to contract Covid-19, prompting nicotine patch trials on patients

The idea that it is the nicotine that is helping smoker's to not get the virus is purely a hunch as far as I can find from the reports.

It could simply be that most smokers breath through the mouth rather than nose and the main entry point into the body seems to via cells in the nose.

[bowie]

China that will come out of this far from spotless but intact and able to restore its economy sooner than anyone else.

I agree with you post.

The big - or biggest unknown in all this is - if the Chinese have such a large population living in arguably some, if not the most, closed and cramped quarters - why isn't China suffering massive losses from the Covid Pandemic which is/was projected to fill the hospitals, ICU's, mortuaries and crematoriums?

Logic dictates that if Covid-19 is the horrible pandemic is is portrayed to be, how did the Chinese (you know, the spitting, snorting, peeing and shitting in the streets, dirtiest folk sharing this green earth), manage to escape the destructive forces of covid-19 and restore their production capacity and economy?

hmm... tin foil time? was Covid a secret bioweapon deveoloped by the Chinese and released after they had secretly inoculated 95% of their population from it?


The Chinese are suffering too. Perhaps, as they were first up to bat they'll be first to reach home plate. The big macroeconomic picture still stands. The Chinese has massive amounts of cheap labor and not enough food to feed the massive amounts of cheap labor, so, the balance will remain. The Chinese will sell labor intensive goods cheaply and use the cash to purchase food. Deals will be made along the lines of the deals that currently exist. Over the course of time and the expected long term economic recovery, I expect the rich will get richer, the poor will remain the same (relatively poorer - but really the same). The rungs of the economic ladder won't change much. However, I do believe the "standard-of-living" the world over will decline.

I really can't see any major changes in the system that exists today. More a slight modification. Very interesting these none gold standard economies.

[Latindancer]

Unlike in many European countries where it is illegal, US households have the water connection turned off for non-payment of bills.

That has left many Americans without water at a time when they are being told that one of the most important things they can do is wash their hands.

Coronavirus: 'I can't wash my hands - my water was cut off' - BBC News

[Cujo]

Unlike in many European countries where it is illegal, US households have the water connection turned off for non-payment of bills.

That has left many Americans without water at a time when they are being told that one of the most important things they can do is wash their hands.

Coronavirus: 'I can't wash my hands - my water was cut off' - BBC News

Unbelievable in this day and age and in a society that considers itself 'advanced'.

[bowie]

Unbelievable in this day and age

Yup, but remember - rules and regs concerning water use and provision are local and state regulated - where I lived in the USA the utility companies required a court order to turn off, water, electric or gas. And, if the household was below a poverty level income, or the residents were aged, or had children, it just wasn't going to happen.

[jabir]

I agree with you post.

The big - or biggest unknown in all this is - if the Chinese have such a large population living in arguably some, if not the most, closed and cramped quarters - why isn't China suffering massive losses from the Covid Pandemic which is/was projected to fill the hospitals, ICU's, mortuaries and crematoriums?

Logic dictates that if Covid-19 is the horrible pandemic is is portrayed to be, how did the Chinese (you know, the spitting, snorting, peeing and shitting in the streets, dirtiest folk sharing this green earth), manage to escape the destructive forces of covid-19 and restore their production capacity and economy?

hmm... tin foil time? was Covid a secret bioweapon deveoloped by the Chinese and released after they had secretly inoculated 95% of their population from it?

The Chinese are suffering too. Perhaps, as they were first up to bat they'll be first to reach home plate. The big macroeconomic picture still stands. The Chinese has massive amounts of cheap labor and not enough food to feed the massive amounts of cheap labor, so, the balance will remain. The Chinese will sell labor intensive goods cheaply and use the cash to purchase food. Deals will be made along the lines of the deals that currently exist. Over the course of time and the expected long term economic recovery, I expect the rich will get richer, the poor will remain the same (relatively poorer - but really the same). The rungs of the economic ladder won't change much. However, I do believe the "standard-of-living" the world over will decline.

I really can't see any major changes in the system that exists today. More a slight modification. Very interesting these none gold standard economies.

Quite a few points up there. We don't know what is going on in China, cannot trust CPC numbers or reports, and even with satellites and one expects spies on the ground cannot more than guess what is happening there. What we do know is that truth is subjective and its people are irrelevant, which gives the CPC a huge advantage in the unending propaganda war over 'transparent' western authorities.

As for the Chinese suffering, don't lose sleep over it since the people exist for the good of the CPC whose only obligation to them is to continue promising a better life at some future time.

So China will come out of this far stronger than its customers, holding an historical amount of debt, property, businesses and political capital, its long term programme intact and capitalising on western shortsightedness, with economic progress surging throughout the hardest hit 3W, which happens to be the most corrupt and amenable to sellout by its leaders.

Quite aside from straightforward purchases of business, property and other assets including strategic interests, China's wealth and business skills generate an unending stream of win-win situations around the world. As one example of hundreds, when China generously built a huge port in Sri Lanka, cost $1.5bn, it wins if the gov repays its debt, and if not, as happened, China still wins by settling for a 99-year lease on the facility. It could have been a coincidence that the volume of traffic needed to sustain the port simply did not exist up until the new arrangement was agreed, but mysteriously picked up once the paperwork went through.

As ever the key to beating rich, powerful and invariably complacent neighbours is patience; translate the Sri Lanka trap across resource rich Africa and Asia, and China is slowly but surely gobbling up long term assets toward long term goals, too far ahead for short term leaders to contemplate.

[Dragonfly]

Just the reports and interviews on the last couple of pages from 200 says there will be a major power shift from EU and US toward a China that will come out of this far from spotless but intact and able to restore its economy sooner than anyone else.

The major powers have mishandled this from day one, and when a breathing space arrives it will be filled with every world leader on the back foot, trying to defend their actions. All fingers will point at China, but so what, it's only talk and who would bet against the CPC to win any war of words?

Of course the Chinese economy will also be hurt, since it depends on demand from the rest of the world, but hard though simple fact is that the ideology puts the state before the people, and in this sort of situation it beats meek democracies hands down.

I think the next step is to go to war with some dumbshit country to solve the economic problem that COVID-19 will bring

maybe China would be a nice target, when they refuse to pay for global damages

[baldrick]

cannot trust CPC numbers or reports

online numbers for mobile phone providers showed a 21 million drop in sim cards

[Dragonfly]

online numbers for mobile phone providers showed a 21 million drop in sim cards

which would be "normal" numbers for China,

I understand why they couldn't publish numbers, western governments have probably the right estimate and panicked over it when brought to scale

if 10millions deaths in China and a death rate of 1% death rate, that would be 1 billion Chinese contaminated,

no wonder they were blaming new cases on foreigners, their whole population has already been exposed and immune to it

[Cujo]

Yup, but remember - rules and regs concerning water use and provision are local and state regulated - where I lived in the USA the utility companies required a court order to turn off, water, electric or gas. And, if the household was below a poverty level income, or the residents were aged, or had children, it just wasn't going to happen.

And that sounds perfectly reasonable. They really need to give more power to the federal government and less to state/local governments in order to standardize things more.

[Cujo]

Quite a few points up there. We don't know what is going on in China, cannot trust CPC numbers or reports, and even with satellites and one expects spies on the ground cannot more than guess what is happening there. What we do know is that truth is subjective and its people are irrelevant, which gives the CPC a huge advantage in the unending propaganda war over 'transparent' western authorities.

As for the Chinese suffering, don't lose sleep over it since the people exist for the good of the CPC whose only obligation to them is to continue promising a better life at some future time.

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CPC? Do you mean the CCP? Anyway they have been delivering on that promise for some time now.
You really don't seem to have a clue.

[Forethat]

CPC? Do you mean the CCP? Anyway they have been delivering on that promise for some time now.
You really don't seem to have a clue.

CPC=Communist Party of China

[harrybarracuda]

There was a big jump in new cases yesterday, over 100,000 in a day for only the second time.




Ecuador suddenly jumped to 11,000 cases, which doubled their infections in a day. Something to keep an eye on.

We will soon globally reach 3,000,000 cases and 200,000 attributed deaths. Both of those numbers, of course, are based on tested patients.

[Headworx]

Going to explain that one Jeff?

FFS don't encourage this window licking biscuit dribler. He just posts total bullshit which he can't back-up when called out on it, completely clueless on everything but likes to project an air of intelligence. Laughable..

[harrybarracuda]

FFS don't encourage this window licking biscuit dribler. He just posts total bullshit which he can't back-up when called out on it, completely clueless on everything but likes to project an air of intelligence. Laughable..

Nebulising cornucopia.

Constipation.

[misskit]

Thailand logs 53 new cases, one death

The government on Saturday reported one Covid-19 death and 53 new infections — 42 of them migrant workers in Songkhla — bringing the total to 2,907 and fatalities to 51.


The death was a 48-year-old Thai man who had been in contact with a previously reported case. His brother worked at an entertainment place and was infected, Taweesilp Visanuyothin, spokesman for the Centre for Covid-19 Situation Administration, said on Saturday.


The 53 new cases were the most reported in a single day since April 9. Forty-two of them were migrants who had been detained at the immigration centre in Songkhla for illegal entry. They were from Myanmar, Vietnam, Malaysia, Yemen, Cambodia and India. The infections were discovered during active case finding.

MORE Thailand logs 53 new cases, one death

[HermantheGerman]

For what it's worth, may I point out that an estimated 32 million people have died from AIDS since the HIV virus began to spread 40 years ago. 40 years. And there's still no vaccine available. And it's not like the brainy people haven't tried.

And a vaccine is what people pin their hopes to?

Someone might get incredibly lucky, but I wouldn't be surprised if we're still washing our hands in 2025 (those of us still around).

For what it's worth, may I point out that only 200 years ago dental abscesses was the leading cause of death.

Now don't kill yourself, as I said before the Germans will come to your rescue.

https://www.clinicaltrialsregister.eu/ctr-search/trial/2020-001038-36/DE

[HermantheGerman]

All of Germany's states have announced plans to make face masks compulsory to combat the spread of coronavirus.
Bremen became the final federal region to back the measures, with its senate set to confirm the decision on Friday.
Mask use will be compulsory on public transport throughout Germany, and nearly all states will also make face coverings mandatory when shopping.
Coronavirus: Germany's states make face masks compulsory - BBC News


Just wondering if their are anymore TD experts who are against it....daughters & friends included

[OhOh]

no wonder they were blaming new cases on foreigners

Testing at all the China entry points, mandatory 14 days isolation in government managed facilities, phone location apps and robust analysis, as they have now. Tends to make life less stressful for their citizens and leaders.

As opposed to others where every tweet and news bulletin sea saws from one extreme to another. No doubt causing the death's numbers, virus/heart attacks due to virus "news", to grow.

As intended.

[Dragonfly]

despite the lockdown for over 2 weeks, we still had new daily cases

it's obvious, as predicted, that lockdowns create clusters that boost the number of infections, therefore it doesn't work as intented

social distancing works best when you let free movement, that was recently proved in some AI lab