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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    Moving members of a religious minority to remote locations by train.

    Where have I heard that before?


    Well, hey....not ALL of them.

    They stop along the way and take the more problematic ones into the forest to shoot them.

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    Malaysia Slams News Article on China’s Uyghur Camps

    Malaysia expressed “serious displeasure” Wednesday over a foreign news report quoting a diplomat from the country as criticizing internment camps for ethnic Uyghurs in China’s Xinjiang region.


    Malaysia’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs was referring to a New York Times article last week that published quotes from a “private account” by the Malaysian diplomat who had visited some of the camps in two Xinjiang cities.


    China has come under fire for placing more than one million Uyghurs and other Muslims minorities in a vast network of internment camps since April 2017, accusing them of harboring “strong religious views” and politically incorrect ideas.
    Beijing has been calling these camps boarding schools and vocational centers.


    “Delegates could actually sense fear and frustration from the students,” the Malaysian diplomat wrote after his December visit with a dozen other diplomats from mostly Muslim nations, the New York Times reported.


    “China may have legitimate reasons to implement policies intended to eliminate the threat of terrorism, especially in Xinjiang. However, judging by its approach, it is addressing the issue wrongly and illegitimately, e.g. preventing Muslim minors from learning the Quran,” the diplomat was quoted saying in his report.


    The diplomat referred to the once-bustling Kashgar and Hotan cities in Xinjiang as “zombie towns,” saying the streets were virtually empty and that China was probably “using the threat of terrorism as an excuse to ‘sanitize’ Uighur Muslims until they become acceptable Chinese citizens.”


    The Malaysian foreign ministry said in a statement that the New York Times report “appears to carry malicious intent,” adding that it “expresses serious displeasure at and disapproves” of the article.


    “The ministry does not comment on the specifics of its internal communications, which are a matter of strict confidentiality,” the statement said, underscoring close ties between Malaysia and China. “Those communications are not meant to be made public.”


    In its report titled “China wants the world to stay silent on Muslim camps,” the Times raised questions on China’s claim that its state-mandated detention camps, surrounded by high walls and watchtowers, are central to its fight against Muslim extremism.


    Beijing has described them as boarding schools, explaining that detainees are in the camps voluntarily, the Times report said, as it explained how China would generally handpick visitors, including journalists from friendly countries who are then often quoted in the state-run Chinese news media offering flattering comments.


    But such trips “do not always go as planned,” the Times article said. It quoted two reports – one from European Union officials and another from a Malaysian diplomat who visited Kashgar and Hotan cities in Xinjian last year with a dozen other diplomats from mostly Muslim nations.


    The report quoted the Malaysian as saying that delegates in the trip “could actually sense fear and frustration from the ‘students’” in the internment camps.


    In July, Malaysia’s Islamic Affairs minister came under sharp criticism after describing a Uyghur internment camp that he visited in China as a “training and vocational center,” contradicting U.S. officials and rights groups that have likened such facilities to concentration camps.


    “The Center is running industrial training activities with various skills such as sewing, legislation, art, flower arrangement and et cetera,” said a caption for one of the photos posted on June 26 on Minister Mujahid Yusof Rawa’s Facebook page. The official declined to disclose the location of the Uyghur camp that he had visited in China.


    Chinese authorities label the camps as centers for “transformation-through-education” but most people refer to them simply as “re-education camps,” according to Amnesty International.



    Prime minister questioned about Uyghurs

    The statement issued by Malaysia’s foreign office on Wednesday came days after Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad told BenarNews, during an interview in New York, that China’s diplomatic and economic power may have prevented Muslim nations from criticizing its repression of the ethnic Uyghur minority.


    Mahathir, a champion of issues affecting the Muslim community, has been relatively quiet on Beijing’s repression in Xinjiang, where it has been accused of holding more than 1.5 million Uyghurs and other Muslim minorities in a vast network of internment camps and systematic surveillance since April 2017.


    Asked about the apparent contradiction and the Muslim world’s general reluctance to criticize Beijing over the Uyghur issue, Mahathir cited what he described as the power wielded by China.


    “Because China is a very powerful nation,” the 94-year-old leader told BenarNews. “You don’t just try and do something which would anyway fail, so it is better to find some other less violent ways not to antagonize China too much, because China is beneficial for us.”


    But China’s sweeping confinement of Uyghurs has spurred criticisms from human rights groups, which have criticized Mahathir and the 57-nation Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) for not speaking up for the Uyghurs when countries such as the United States had described Beijing’s actions in Xinjiang as “the stain of the century.”

    https://www.benarnews.org/english/ne...019163056.html

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    Don't want to interrupt the money train, do we.

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    “The Center is running industrial training activities with various skills such as sewing, legislation, art, flower arrangement and et cetera,”

    Beijing has described them as boarding schools, explaining that detainees are in the camps voluntarily.


    Jesus bloody Keriiist....

    What happens when people prove claims like this are absolute bullshit ? legislation? art ? flower arrangement ?

    Is it like trying to pin down a Thai person into admitting wrongdoing ? (ie, virtually impossible ? )

    They are in Gulags : forced labour camps, and the Chinese government is most likely making a lot of money out of selling the goods they produce to Western countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    “The Center is running industrial training activities with various skills such as sewing, legislation, art, flower arrangement and et cetera,”

    Beijing has described them as boarding schools, explaining that detainees are in the camps voluntarily.


    Jesus bloody Keriiist....

    What happens when people prove claims like this are absolute bullshit ? legislation? art ? flower arrangement ?

    Is it like trying to pin down a Thai person into admitting wrongdoing ? (ie, virtually impossible ? )

    They are in Gulags : forced labour camps, and the Chinese government is most likely making a lot of money out of selling the goods they produce to Western countries.
    ......making a lot of money out of selling the goods they produce to Western countries

    and Muslim countries supporting it.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/07/15/a...hnk/index.html

    I guess defending human rights is very un-islamic


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    The legal remedies to reduce terrorism in Xinjiang.

    The Fight Against Terrorism and Extremism and Human Rights Protection in Xinjiang

    IV. Striking at Terrorism and Extremism

    "Counterterrorism and de-radicalization in Xinjiang has always been conducted in accordance with the law.

    Currently, China’s anti-terrorism law system is composed of :

    The Constitution of the People’s Republic of China,

    The Criminal Law of the People’s Republic of China,

    The Criminal Procedure Law of the People’s Republic of China,

    The National Security Law of the People’s Republic of China,

    The Counterterrorism Law of the People’s Republic of China,

    The Regulations on Religious Affairs,

    The Opinions on Certain Issues Concerning the Application of Law in Handling Criminal Cases Involving Terrorism and Extremism jointly issued by the Supreme People’s Court, the Supreme People’s Procuratorate, the Ministry of Public Security, and the Ministry of Justice.

    With facts as the basis and the law as the criterion, judicial organs in Xinjiang adopt a policy that strikes the right balance between compassion and severity;

    1 Ringleaders, core members, and major offenders who are held accountable for organizing, planning and implementing violent, terrorist and religious extremist crimes are severely punished in accordance with the law;

    2. Repeat offenders – those who have previously received administrative and criminal punishment or have been exempt from criminal punishment after committing violent, terrorist and religious extremist crimes are found committing the same crimes again – are severely punished in accordance with the law;

    3. Minor offenders who have pled guilty are sentenced leniently in accordance with the law;

    4. Juvenile offenders, deluded offenders and coerced offenders are sentenced leniently in accordance with the law;

    5. Offenders who have voluntarily surrendered themselves or who have helped in cracking the cases are sentenced leniently or have their prison terms reduced in accordance with the law.

    Punishment is used effectively to reform the offenders and prevent crimes. While they make sure real criminals are punished, judicial organs in Xinjiang protect the defendants’ right to defense and the right to use their own language in litigation to guarantee procedural justice and protect basic civil rights."

    Full text: The Fight Against Terrorism and Extremism and Human Rights Protection in Xinjiang - People's Daily Online


    One presumes these "western" methods, of defeating terrorism;

    Rubbleization of foreign lands, illegal military attacks on civilians, illegal imprisonment, illegal torture, illegal sanctions, illegal corrupt deals, illegal supply of weapons, illegal supply of aid, illegal supply of military assistance, illegal stealing of foreign countries financial assets/resources, illegal occupation of foreign countries land ....

    are acceptable to TD posters, here on this thread.

    I don't see other remedies mentioned as alternatives.

    Chinese Strategy for De-radicalization

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full...3.2017.1330199
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    Snivelling chinky sycophant thinks ethnic cleansing is OK because it's the law in China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harrybarracuda View Post
    ethnic cleansing is OK because it's the law in China.
    Most countries, around the world, have anti terrorism laws. Their "security forces" mostly enforce them with deadly force.

    Some foreign "security forces", if requested by the countries elected governments, are deployed to assist in rooting them out and use deadly force.

    There are other countries who of course illegally invade, bomb countries back the stone age or worse send weapons, security forces to assist, train, arm and supply intelligence to the internationally named terrorists groups against the elected government's forces and citizens. They also illegally kidnap, jail them without trial and illegally imprison them for life on Caribbean islands.

    China tries to re-educate/re-train them, within China, and encourage them to adopt their home countries laws.

    'Missing' Uygurs found living happy lives


    "The people alleged to be missing from the Xinjiang Uygur autonomous region have been found to be living peaceful and happy lives, an official from the region's government said on Tuesday.

    One lie after another about Xinjiang has been proved to have "distorted the truth or be fabricated stories", Xu Guixiang, deputy head of the Publicity Department of the Communist Party of China Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region Committee, said at a news briefing in Beijing organized by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

    Xu was referring to the online campaign initiated by some individuals, overseas organizations and media, who posted photos and names to "find missing Uygurs in China". The move is aimed at hyping China's policy in the autonomous region, he said.

    The hashtag "StillNoInfo" has been used on social media platforms Twitter and Facebook in the past week.
    Xu cited several examples of Uygurs who were said to be "missing" but were found to be living better lives after graduating from vocational education and training centers. Among them is Ruzi Memet Atawulla, 23, who went to a vocational education and training center in 2017 after being influenced by extreme thoughts.

    Ruzi Memet graduated in April 2018, and now works in a shoe factory in Hotan, a city in southwestern Xinjiang. "He earns 2,500 yuan ($357) per month from his work, and doesn't want to be disturbed, especially by those connected with the East Turkestan Islamic Movement terrorist forces," Xu said.
    Aziz Niyaz and Meryam Gayit, an old couple in Kuqa county, Aksu prefecture, were also described as "missing" on overseas social networks, but actually they are retired and enjoying the life of taking care of their 3-year-old grandson at home, according to Xu.
    Xu described the building of the vocational education and training centers in Xinjiang as an effective preventive measure of eradicating extremism in the region, which was plagued by violent terrorism three years ago.

    He said that there have been no terrorist attacks in Xinjiang since the centers were established in 2017, and people now live peaceful lives.

    Rexiati Musajiang, mayor of Hotan, criticized the United States for its interference in China's internal affairs by using Xinjiang's human rights as an excuse. He said at the briefing that the region enjoys stability and people's livelihoods keep improving.


    The motives behind US politicians' remarks and acts to smear China's policy in Xinjiang, particularly the Xinjiang-related act that the US House of Representatives recently passed, have demonstrated US attempts at hegemony, he said, and the purpose is to contain China's development and damage the stability of Xinjiang."

    'Missing' Uygurs found living happy lives - Chinadaily.com.cn

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    You're full of shit, HoHo.

    The Communist gangsters (because that is what they are, really) have trotted out about 3 people who have been successfully brainwashed....out of the million or so that have been incarcerated.

    "found to be living peaceful and happy lives" ??? WTF ?


    You mean like how they say the Panchen Lama (who they kidnapped) is now living a peaceful and happy life" ?? Like...in a shallow grave somewhere ? Or "merely" brainwashed ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    You're full of shit
    Which I am able to manage and release in a civilised and appropriate manner.

    Unlike some who prefer resorting to violence, threats of violence or encouraging others to "bend their knee/touch their forelock/look away" to/from their "Emperor".

    Unfortunately for you the terrorist attacks are, factually, a thing of the past. Due to the measures taken by the Chinese government.

    If only other troubled countries could say the same. We are reminded daily how "others" still fail to solve their decades long and continuing "war on terrorism". I presume you would rather bomb the Chinese citizens back to the stone age, that does appear to be the only alternative available, utilised by some. Well other than starvation, illegal kidnapping, placing for life illegally in a prison, ....... because to some, "it's worth it".

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    "Appropriate" for you is completely inappropriate for most other people, except perhaps Chinese gangsters.

    We all know why they are jailing and often killing the Uighurs. And it's not because of terrorist acts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Latindancer View Post
    We all know why they are jailing and often killing the Uighurs. And it's not because of terrorist acts
    Some believe the "estimates", some are inclined to believe they are imaginary. Similar to many topics, including the use of an oatmeal breakfast cereal for settling domestic disputes.

    China's Mass Detention of Xinjiang's Ethnic Minorities Shows No Sign of Let-up-pino-jpg


    Uygur mom mystified to be reported as 'missing'


    "Halnur Halik, a Uygur mom who is allegedly "missing" on social media platforms such as Twitter and Facebook, works at a restaurant in Turpan, Xinjiang Uygur autonomous region. [Photo/CGTN] Halnur Halik said she was furious after learning her personal information was used in an online campaign to "find missing Uygurs in China" while she had been busy working toward a better life in the Xinjiang Uygur autonomous region.

    Some individuals, overseas organizations and media have been posting photos and names of allegedly missing Uygurs on social media platforms including Twitter and Facebook, to smear China's policy in Xinjiang.

    Many of the posts have been shown to have "distorted the truth or be fabricated stories", Xu Guixiang, deputy head of the Publicity Department of the Communist Party of China Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region Committee, said on Wednesday.

    On Dec 12, Twitter user Abdulla Rasul wrote in a post tagged "StillNoinfo" that Halnur, 24, a mother of two, was among those still missing, even though Halnur has been working as a waitress at a restaurant in Turpan since May.
    Abdulla Rasul is her cousin's husband and the couple moved abroad many years ago, Halnur said. Abdulla's Twitter account says he is based in Istanbul, Turkey. "I only met Abdulla once, when he and my cousin got married, and seldom have had contact with them since. I don't understand why he said I was missing," she said on Wednesday.

    Halnur attended a vocational education and training center in 2018 after having been influenced by thoughts of religious extremism since high school. "I dropped out of my school, although I was a very good student, because the religious extremists told me that going to school was useless. Later, I also refused to go to work and focused only on taking part in religious extremist activities," she said.
    The establishment of the centers in Xinjiang has been an effective preventive measure to help eradicate extremism in the region, which is believed to have led in the past to frequent terrorist attacks in Xinjiang, officials said. The centers provided courses on standard Chinese language, laws, vocational skills and deradicalization programs.
    People who took part in the courses have all graduated. The centers will be open to all local residents and officials who wish to improve their standard Chinese language and vocational skills and legal knowledge, Shohrat Zakir, regional government chairman, said this month.

    "I was worried about whether people would be willing to give me a second chance after I graduated, but a restaurant owner immediately recruited me after I graduated from the center in May," said Halnur."

    Uygur mom mystified to be reported as 'missing' - Chinadaily.com.cn


    An article highlighting the example of the "scientific" assumptions attempted by one of the most utilised "sources".

    Snippets from this "source":

    More than 1 million Muslims are detained in China—but how did we get that number?

    "In January 2018, US-funded news organization Radio Free Asia (RFA) reported one of the first estimates: 120,000 Uyghur Muslims detained for showing signs of “extremism,” sourcing a security official from Kashgar city."

    "The estimate used most widely for over a year—of a million Uyghur Muslims held in Chinese camps—was arrived at using similar methods by a group called China Human Rights Defenders (CHRD), and by Zenz.

    CHRD, based in Hong Kong and Washington DC, interviewed dozens of Uyghur people in Xinjiang.
    Interviewees gave estimates of how many people—ranging from 8% to 20%—were being detained in their towns. It averaged out to 12% and CHRD bumped the percentage down to 10% for a conservative estimate"

    "
    A media organization run by Uyghur exiles published a document (link in Japanese) on partial detainee numbers for dozens of Xinjiang counties, reportedly leaked by someone within the public security industry in the region. Zenz concluded there was a detention level of 12.3%"

    "
    Zenz went on to refer to two RFA reports that cited phone interviews the news organization had with Xinjiang government offices regarding quotas to meet—10% of the local Muslim population"

    "The 1 million figure went into wide circulation after it was used by the United Nations in August 2018, citing the work of the CHRD."

    "
    News organizations ran with it and 1 million quickly became the default number."

    "
    “Althoughe it seems appropriate to estimate that up to 1.5 million ethnic minorities—equivalent to just under 1 in 6 adult members of a predominantly Muslim minority group in Xinjiang—are or have been interned in any of these detention, internment and re-education facilities, excluding formal prisons,” Zenz said in March"

    "
    This May, the US Defense Department accused China of running “concentration camps” with up to 3 million Muslims imprisoned"


    https://qz.com/1599393/how-researche...d-in-xinjiang/

    Lots of unsourced inflated guesses/estimates from known propaganda entities.

    If your do ever return to Thailand take a walk to your local motorcycle repair shop. There you will be able to have that ring extracted from your nose for the sum of THB 200.
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    What you read (in MSM), it happened - and please be outraged (about the HK peaceful demonstration, missing Uighurs and similar)

    What you do not read (in MSM), it didn't happen. And if it did happen - that's only the democratic process of liberation from brutal dictators and/or cleansing of terrorists...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klondyke View Post
    What you read (in MSM), it happened - and please be outraged (about the HK peaceful demonstration, missing Uighurs and similar)

    What you do not read (in MSM), it didn't happen. And if it did happen - that's only the democratic process of liberation from brutal dictators and/or cleansing of terrorists...

    The old manner of keeping things manipulated and off balance.
    A very useful technique. As are the continued cycles of use, as very few recognize -

    Especially, when promoting the imagined and base ideals of traditional good guys vs. bad guys, largely fanciful.
    Repeated, over and again, historically - until such becomes real and true [even when it's not].

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    Chinese Media Campaign to Discredit Movement For Missing Uyghurs Will Fail: #StillNoInfo Founder

    A campaign by official Chinese media to discredit a movement by Uyghurs seeking information about missing relatives back home in northwest China’s Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region (XUAR) will fail, according to the movement’s organizer, because of Beijing’s intransparency over its policies there.

    In recent months, the hashtag #StillNoInfo has gained a following on social media platforms among Uyghurs in exile who say their relatives are likely detained in a network of internment camps where authorities in the XUAR are believed to have held up to 1.8 million Uyghurs and other Muslim minorities accused of harboring “strong religious views” and “politically incorrect” ideas since April 2017.

    The hashtag became even more widely used after XUAR Chairman Shohret Zakir held a press conference on Dec. 9 claiming that all detainees in the camps, which China refers to as “vocational education and training centers,” had “graduated” and returned to their homes, prompting many exiled Uyghurs to question why they were still unable to contact their relatives and loved ones.

    In response, China Global Television Network (CGTN)—the international arm of the official China Central Television (CCTV)—has launched a video propaganda campaign entitled “Crash the #StillNoInfo rumors” in which news anchor Tao Yuan meets with several of the “missing” relatives as part of a bid to challenge the claims made by Uyghurs in exile about China’s policies in the XUAR.

    In videos posted to YouTube and Twitter, Tao visits Mahire, Xenimxan Turdi, Eziz Niyaz, and Halinur—all relatives of Uyghurs in exile who have participated in the #StillNoInfo movement—in their homes and purported places of work, portraying them as living “normal” lives outside the camps.

    CGTN often refers to those who post to #StillNoInfo as “distant relatives” or suggests that they are mere acquaintances rather than close friends, while the “missing” Uyghurs say in interviews that they have no idea why they have been mentioned in the posts.

    Spreading propaganda

    Speaking to RFA’s Uyghur Service, Bahram Sintash, a Uyghur American who created #StillNoInfo as part of his efforts to locate his father in the XUAR, said that the CGTN campaign will fail because “the international community and international media doesn’t believe their propaganda.”

    “They’re asking why it is that some Uyghurs haven’t been able to contact their families for two, three, and even four years, why are [the Chinese authorities] controlling communication so tightly in the 21st century, and why is there still no free communication for Uyghurs,” he said.

    “As long as they’ve cut communication and as long as they only trot out people’s relatives on their own media, which shows that we are still not in contact with them, this ultimately means that they’re just using our relatives as pawns. We’re asking them to connect us to our relatives, but they’re just showing us a little bit of them on video. The world can see that [the authorities] keep using [our relatives] as pawns.”

    Sintash said that most members of the exile Uyghur community would be satisfied if China’s government opened up communication channels, which are either actively blocked or heavily monitored by security personnel, and allowed them to see their relatives on their own terms.

    “All we want is to see them without obstruction—to know what they have been through … [but China instead is] putting their own [propaganda] channels to work, using ‘examples’ of a few people here and there to continue spreading their lies,” he said.

    Sintash cited his own father as an example of how China’s narrative that all Uyghurs have been freed from the camps and are able to freely communicate with their loved ones is false.

    “Given that I’m the person who started the #StillNoInfo movement on social media, before doing anything else, they could have shown my father in an attempt to portray me as a liar,” he said.

    “The fact that they did not show my parents or the family members of other activists like myself shows that they’re still exacting revenge on some of us, and also that the people they’re showing [in these videos] have been specifically chosen from among a select group of people—people who are completely under the control of the authorities—so as to attempt to deceive the international community.”

    Halinur

    RFA recently spoke with Abdullah Rasul, the husband of Halinur’s cousin Raziyegul Ablimit, who in mid-December posted a photo of the 23-year-old woman from Turpan (in Chinese, Tulufan) city on social media with the #StillNoInfo hashtag among several photos of other relatives, along with a message asking “Where is my mother-in-law and her family members?”

    In a CGTN video from Dec. 25, reporter Tao meets with Halinur—who the network describes as “a former trainee who refutes the false claims by her cousin-in-law, Abdullah Rasul”—at the restaurant where she works in Turpan, and Halinur tells her she was shocked to learn that Rasul had said she was missing.

    In the video, Halinur tells CGTN that she hadn’t spoken to Ablimit since she moved abroad in 2016 and didn’t understand why Rasul would lie about looking for her. She acknowledges that she “followed the wrong path” after dropping out of school, illegally wearing a burqa, and allowing herself to be “infected” with radical ideas as a result of her aunt’s teachings, but says a “training center” set her straight.

    However Rusul told RFA that Halinur’s husband, Abduqadir, was arrested “for no reason whatsoever” when she was pregnant with their second child in 2015 and sentenced to five or 10 years in prison, and that Halinur was later detained in an internment camp, despite her relatively moderate views on Islam.

    “Her [Mandarin] Chinese is really good,” he said, adding that “it’s just not logical to think that someone whose Chinese is already good has to go into a camp to study the language in order to work at a restaurant.”

    While Rasul was unsure of when Halinur was able to leave the camp she was held in, he said that her behavior when questioned by the reporter in the CGTN video suggested her answers were given under duress.

    “Looking at her, I can see that her face—her color—doesn’t look good … it doesn’t look quite the same as before,” he said.

    “Her hands are also shaking when she talks and she has them clenched really tightly.”

    China’s domestic broadcaster CCTV has in recent years been caught out staging televised confessions of human rights lawyers and activists. In one case, human rights lawyer Wang Yu said in 2018 that she had agreed to make a forced confession after Chinese authorities threatened to stop her from seeing her son.

    Other relatives

    Rasul said that while he and his wife were initially troubled by the video, they ultimately found peace in knowing that Halinur has not been harmed.

    “If nothing else, we’re seeing the result of our testimonies and our hard work,” he said, adding, “Halinur and her two kids are safe, they’re alive.”

    But Rasul said he has little information about his mother-in-law, who he said he had learned was imprisoned in 2016 for “terrorism and also for plotting to split the country.”

    “My father-in-law passed away four or five years before we left [China in 2015], so my mother-in-law was alone—a widow and a housewife who didn’t leave the house much,” he said.

    “To say that a woman like this was involved in terrorism and splitting up the country, and the fact that they put her in prison, is such great injustice.”

    In addition to his mother-in-law, Rasul said that many of his wife’s relatives have also been detained, while he believes some 150 immediate and distant members of his family—which he lost contact with in 2017—have been taken away by authorities, although they were able to learn of the release of some of them since they began posting content as part of the #StillNoInfo movement.

    https://www.rfa.org/english/news/uyg...020144054.html

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    “the international community and international media doesn’t believe their propaganda.”
    Except for HoHo and his little puppy.

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    I am surprised you take any notice of MK's RFA etc. sites or other MSM "reports". As for your glorious "international media" one suspects they are as open to bribery as any other grouping.

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    Say it isn't true...

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    Some require more "evidnce" than a 5 minute skype video. If you want to believe it, that's your choice.

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    ^ There are many like that. So you don't believe it?

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    We could go on and on.


    Is everybody corrupt and making this up? That would mean alot of people to pay off. Probably more people on the take than corrupt officials in the CCP. Now there's a thought...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Chuchok View Post
    So you don't believe it?
    Believe what, one man's opinion, displayed in a 5 minute video. Who has no responsibility to solve the problem. No.

    But many are. Our poster in wester ameristan offers a 10-15 minute comedy TV segment to reinforce their existing prejudices. If that's their knowledge base god help them.

    Hopefully those in power around the world take the subject more seriously and can improve their methods over time.

    I seen and hear of many things, daily. I also see and hear of many fake and selective/unsubstantiated reports. As has the info, the video purports to cover, been around for many years and the passages selectively reported on in the 5 minute video, IMHO, it does not treat the subject in a serious way.

    The current facts, allegedly, indicate that many have succeeded in stopping any further terrorist attacks on civilians in China.

    The Chinese chose a different route, as they do with many of the innovative solutions to problems, different than the western war on terror, which has failed to stop terrorism around the world. Just the opposite some would say.

    The Chinese people I suspect are more grateful that they live their lives untainted. Any suspected terrorists have been duly tried and imprisoned, if found guilty according to Chinese laws. Any dubious or unproven suspects have been placed in the so called camps. Whether they learn anything is up to them.

    One could contrast that with the failed countries left behind the western method of mass slaughtering ad hoc. Unfortunately there are always relatives influenced by the western methods and I would suggest the battle has yet to be won.

    As we know from past wars it takes generations before any semblance of friendly tolerance of the evil British, French, German, Italian, Japanese .... ordinary citizens, born after any wars to being welcomed.

    If the Chinese can continue to stop terrorist attacks, improve all the citizens lives and produce their "relatively prosperous society" it would be a good thing. For sure.

    The alternative as we have seen just these past weeks is, IMHO, not the way forward.

    Quote Originally Posted by Little Chuchok View Post
    That would mean alot of people to pay off.
    Some have immense fortunes, reinforced/supported by many organisations, governments and the "easily impressed" to reinforce their own opinions or desires. Sometimes they are successful, sometimes a roadblock occurs. Videos are cheap to produce, willing devotees are available for free or a few 100,000 likes/reputation gifts on lifestyle sites.
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    Oh shut up Hoho, they could live stream an hour long documentary and you would deny it, you cretinous chinky sycophant.

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    US State Department Urged to Intervene in Case of Uyghur Jailed After Joining Visitor Program

    The U.S. State Department is facing increasing calls to pressure China to release a Uyghur entrepreneur who was sentenced to 15 years in prison after he visited Washington to take part in the agency’s International Visitor Leadership Program (IVLP).


    Ekpar Asat, a 34-year-old businessman who created a successful Uyghur social media platform called Bagdax, traveled to the U.S. in February 2016 to join a three-week journalism training as part of his acceptance to the IVLP, which he had applied to at the encouragement of the U.S. Embassy in Beijing.


    While engaged with the IVLP, which the State Department says has trained more than 225,000 foreign nationals since it was established in 1940, Asat and eight others met with a number of journalists at several institutions in Washington and five U.S. states.


    He also met with his older sister, 36-year-old Reyhan Asat, who was finishing a Master of Laws program at Harvard University—the first Uyghur to study law at the school. She said that he had been inspired by the IVLP and had secured a visa to return with their parents in May of that year to watch her graduate and stay for the summer.


    However, weeks after Ekpar Asat returned home to Urumqi, the capital of northwest China’s Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region (XUAR), his family canceled their planned trip to the U.S. and he went missing in April.


    It was only in January this year that the Chinese Embassy in Washington acknowledged that Ekpar Asat had been sentenced to 15 years in prison on charges of “inciting ethnic hatred” after Ambassador Cui Tiankai was sent a bipartisan letter from seven U.S. lawmakers on Reyhan Asat’s behalf, urging China to release him.


    Reyhan Asat told RFA’s Uyghur Service that while her brother is innocent of the charges against him, even if he had “incited ethnic hatred” a normal sentence would have been three years in prison, while a maximum punishment would carry 10 years.


    “This doesn’t even follow their own law … A 15-year sentence doesn’t make sense here,” she said.


    Instead, Reyhan Asat believes her brother, who she said regularly worked to improve ties between Uyghurs and majority Han Chinese, was targeted for taking part in the IVLP.


    ‘Unable to verify’


    The State Department must take a more active role in securing Ekpar Asat’s release, she added, suggesting that the agency should be raising the profiles of program participants as added protection for their well-being if they risk persecution back home.


    “I hope that the State Department puts my brother’s case on their agenda and that they invite [Cui Tiankai] to discuss his immediate release,” she said.


    “What I mean to say is that they must join Congress and we must work quickly to save my brother. The State Department must take immediate responsibility for its own role in this.”


    In a recent statement, State Department spokesperson Morgan Ortagus said her agency is “closely tracking” Ekpar Asat’s case, adding that it had “raised his case directly” with the Chinese government and “will continue to do so.”


    “Unfortunately, due to tight [People’s Republic of China] controls on information, we have been unable to independently verify his current status and whereabouts, but we consistently press the PRC for this information whenever we raise his case,” she said.


    She also urged Beijing to “immediately release all those arbitrarily detained” in the XUAR, including an estimated 1.8 million Uyghurs and other Muslim minorities believed to have been detained in a vast network of some 1,300 internment camps in the region since April 2017.


    While Beijing initially denied the existence of the camps, China last year changed tack and began describing the facilities as “boarding schools” that provide vocational training for Uyghurs, discourage radicalization, and help protect the country from terrorism.


    But reporting by RFA and other media outlets indicate that those in the camps are detained against their will and subjected to political indoctrination, routinely face rough treatment at the hands of their overseers and endure poor diets and unhygienic conditions in the often-overcrowded facilities.


    While Ortagus did not comment on Ekpar Asat’s participation in the IVLP or whether it could be the reason he was targeted, other State Department officials have made the claim that there is no direct evidence that taking part in the program directly led to his disappearance.


    Ekpar Asat is not the first Uyghur to have disappeared after participating in activities organized by the State Department. Ababekri Muhtar, founder of the Misranim website, was also imprisoned in April 2016 after meeting with then-U.S. Ambassador to China Gary Locke during Locke’s 2014 visit to the XUAR and later visiting the U.S. on a two-week tour set up by the agency.


    Urgent action appeal


    Last week, London-based rights group Amnesty International issued an “urgent action” appeal to Chinese President Xi Jinping on Ekpar Asat’s behalf, calling for his immediate and unconditional release and, pending his release, urging authorities to allow him access to his family and a lawyer of his choice.


    Francisco Bencosme, director for Amnesty’s Asia-Pacific advocacy, told RFA the Uyghur entrepreneur had been “doing what he was supposed to do” and generally displaying loyalty to the Chinese government.


    “But it seems like the only thing he did wrong was participate in the State Department International Visitor Leadership Program, which should not be reason enough for him to go missing and for him to be sentenced as unjustly as he did,” he said.


    “And obviously, he’s still missing, and it’s heartbreaking to see his family still asking for his release. It’s clear that it’s part of a larger campaign against Uyghurs and other ethnic Muslims by the Chinese government.”


    Bencosme said Amnesty is concerned that Ekpar Asat was sentenced secretly and that he was targeted despite being “a model citizen.”


    “Given that he is an alumni of the IVLP program, and also that it’s part of a larger serious concern and human rights issue that’s going on in China, his case and all the other cases need to be elevated at the highest levels of the State Department—it should be at the forefront of our U.S.-China policy,” he said.


    “It’s not just the State Department—it also needs to be elevated by the White House, all the way to the top. The President of the United States needs to raise this with President Xi, because nobody should be arbitrarily detained or lack justice simply for participating in a cultural exchange program.”


    ‘Take responsibility’


    Washington-based Uyghur attorney Nury Turkel told RFA that if Ekpar Asat’s case goes unresolved, it would amount to a stain on the IVLP, adding that the onus is on the State Department to secure his release.


    “Now it’s understood that there’s a relationship between Ekbar Asat’s case and the U.S. State Department, and it’s the first such case for which there is proof,” he said.


    “If the U.S. government had not brought this man here, it’s possible to say that he might not have been imprisoned. If the State Department were to take responsibility and try to resolve this, if they were to have the intention to resolve this, if nothing else they should be able to get him out of prison.”


    Mass incarcerations in the XUAR, as well as other policies seen to violate the rights of Uyghurs and other Muslims, have led to increasing calls by U.S. officials to hold Beijing accountable for its actions in the region, including from Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, U.S. Vice President Mike Pence, and several lawmakers.


    Last week, the U.S. Senate passed the Uyghur Human Rights Policy Act of 2020 that would sanction Chinese government officials responsible for arbitrary incarceration, forced labor and other abuses in the XUAR and requires regular monitoring of the situation there by U.S. government bodies, once signed into law by President Donald Trump.


    U.S. Rep. Chris Smith, the author of the Uyghur Human Rights Policy Act in the House of Representatives, said he was seeking quick passage of the bill, which he called “an important bipartisan statement recognizing that the mass surveillance and internment of Muslim Uyghurs and other ethnic minorities is unconscionable and we cannot be silent when faced with such horrific atrocities.”


    “The situation in the Xinjiang region has become even more dire since the legislation was first introduced, with systematic forced labor now allowing the Chinese government and companies to profit from mass detention. If we are truly committed to stopping these atrocities, passing this legislation has to be a starting point, not our last word or action,” he told RFA.


    Reported by Jilil Kashgary and Alim Seytoff for RFA’s Uyghur Service.

    US State Department Urged to Intervene in Case of Uyghur Jailed After Joining Visitor Program

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