US destroyer collides with merchant vessel near Japan

**OhOh** · 31-08-2017, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by melvin

Difficult to fool/hack navy ships, their systems are better protected than the systems on commercial ships. An UK expert (I think) said that it would be easier to hack the GPSes on the commercial ships. Making them think that they are in a different place than where they actually are.

Allegedly the Iranians downed an ameristani drone some years back, took the downed ameristani drone and now have themselves a working drone and the Russians displayed that they had the technology to disable amerstani warships radar and missile systems in the Black sea and when downing 69% of the cruise missiles launched to attack a Syrian airfield.

The Russians allegedly have a gun type system which can override a small commercial drone, as used by civilians and terrorists.

**birding** · 31-08-2017, 03:34 PM

Commercial shipping can rest easy for it will not happen again as the US navy will (has) pause for a day or two to examine basic seamanship and teamwork.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/21/w...s.html?mcubz=0

**Norton** · 31-08-2017, 09:55 PM

Originally Posted by birding

Commercial shipping can rest easy for it will not happen again as the US navy will (has) pause for a day or two to examine basic seamanship and teamwork.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/21/w...s.html?mcubz=0

"The reduction in training days has also been made possible through improvements in teaching methodology used to deliver traditional Navy core curriculum lectures on topics, such as seamanship and heritage. Through the use of technology in the new barracks classroom facilities, which are equipped with individual computer stations, the lectures being presented to today's recruits are much more visually impacting and interactive than the traditional lecture format in use for many years. This interactive lecture format has been shown to result in higher retention of the material presented, resulting in a better-trained basic Sailor. Some curriculum requirements will also be moved in the training schedule to afford a more efficient flow of training to the recruit."

Improvements to Training Streamline Navy Boot Camp

See the Navy streamlined it's basic military training curriculum in 2004. Went from lecture to computer based trianing in seamanship to save a bit of money. Perhaps they need to go back to the old method of seamanship training which included real watch standing, bridge ops, and rules of the road sessions. Barracks computer based training is not going to instill the importance of the number one priority of a naval vessel. That being STAYING AFLOAT!

**OhOh** · 16-11-2017, 02:07 PM

Allegedly the answer is more sleep time for the overworked sailors.

US destroyer collides with merchant vessel near Japan-800-jpeg

"WASHINGTON (AP) — U.S. Navy leaders are recommending a sweeping list of changes in sailor training, crew requirements and safety procedures to address systemic problems across the Pacific fleet that led to two deadly ship collisions earlier this year that killed 17 sailors, according to a copy of the report obtained by The Associated Press. A critical report scheduled to be released Thursday calls for about 60 recommended improvements that range from improved training on seamanship, navigation and the use of ship equipment to more basic changes to increase sleep and stress management for sailors.

Another Navy report released Wednesday concluded that three collisions and a ship grounding this year were all avoidable, and resulted from widespread failures by the crews and commanders who didn’t quickly recognize and respond to unfolding emergencies. Navy leaders publicly acknowledged those failings in a congressional hearing last month."

https://apnews.com/11bdad70959f41bf967434fb05ec167c/Navy-recommends-sweeping-changes-after-ship-collisions

Presumably the ship has a certain number of bunks which are already allocated. The additional sleep time will need more sailors who will sleep where? Or will is be Hot Hot triple bunking?

**misskit** · 17-01-2018, 07:51 AM

U.S. Navy officers face possible homicide charges over ship collisions

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The commanding officers of two U.S. Navy destroyers involved in deadly collisions last year in the Pacific Ocean face courts-martial and could be charged with negligent homicide, the U.S. Navy said in a statement on Tuesday.

The commanding officer of the USS John S. McCain guided missile destroyer, which collided with a merchant ship near Singapore in August, face possible charges of dereliction of duty, hazarding a vessel and negligent homicide, the statement said.

The commanding officer and three other officers on the USS Fitzgerald guided missile destroyer, which collided with a Philippine container ship in June, face possible charges including dereliction of duty, hazarding a vessel and negligent homicide, the Navy said.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1F6017

**lob** · 17-01-2018, 11:41 AM

bring back the cat i say,..

**melvin** · 27-07-2018, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by misskit

U.S. Navy officers face possible homicide charges over ship collisions

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The commanding officers of two U.S. Navy destroyers involved in deadly collisions last year in the Pacific Ocean face courts-martial and could be charged with negligent homicide, the U.S. Navy said in a statement on Tuesday.

The commanding officer of the USS John S. McCain guided missile destroyer, which collided with a merchant ship near Singapore in August, face possible charges of dereliction of duty, hazarding a vessel and negligent homicide, the statement said.

The commanding officer and three other officers on the USS Fitzgerald guided missile destroyer, which collided with a Philippine container ship in June, face possible charges including dereliction of duty, hazarding a vessel and negligent homicide, the Navy said.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1F6017

the charges are not possible anymore, they arevery real and on the table and some cases have started

what I find most interesting is the US Navy's findings re why this happened
charges and punishments will not change anything - it will happen again

some radical new thinking is needed in the US Navy to avoid repeats, court-martials are not the answer

in my view the main problem they face is that being a knowledgable and experienced and competent driver
will not help you to further a carrier in the navy,
crashing boats will hamper the carrier, sure
driving competently and safe will not further any naval carrier

that is what they need to address, no wee challenge

**VocalNeal** · 27-07-2018, 03:10 PM

^ Maybe it's like working in government .

A quote from Spooks: You can either do good or do well!

**OhOh** · 08-10-2021, 08:47 AM

US Navy confirms attack submarine hit an ‘object’ while submerged in Indo-Pacific region

7 Oct, 2021 21:47

"The US Navy has acknowledged that an attack submarine operating in international waters of the Indo-Pacific region struck an underwater object, injuring multiple crew members and damaging the vessel. The USS Connecticut, a Seawolf-class fast-attack submarine, struck the unidentified object while submerged on October 2, the Navy’s Pacific Fleet said on Thursday in a statement. Nearly a dozen crew members were reportedly hurt, but none of the injuries are considered life-threatening.

“The submarine remains in safe and stable condition,” the Navy said. “USS Connecticut’s nuclear propulsion plant and spaces were not affected and remain fully operational.”

The US Naval Institute (USNI) referred to the object that was struck as “unknown” and said the submarine was operating in the South China Sea at the time of the accident.

Damage to the sub is still being assessed, and the incident will be investigated, according to the Navy statement. The USS Connecticut is currently making its way to port in Guam, USNI said.

The Navy has had a spate of vessel crashes in recent years, including an August 2017 collision between the USS John S. McCain destroyer and an oil tanker in waters off the coast of Singapore that left 10 US sailors dead. Another destroyer, the USS Fitzgerald, struck a container ship while on a secret mission off the coast of Japan in June 2017. That collision caused a large gash in the USS Fitzgerald, killing seven crew members in their berthing compartments as water flooded in.

That same year, the USS Antietam guided-missile cruiser ran aground in Japan, spilling oil into Tokyo Bay. Another cruiser, the USS Lake Champlain, collided with a South Korean fishing vessel.

In addition, one sailor and eight marines were killed in a July 2020 training accident in which an amphibious assault vehicle sank off the coast of California."

US Navy confirms attack submarine hit an ‘object’ while submerged in Indo-Pacific region — RT USA NewsMaybe Mendip could have another career, whale lookout.

For OZ or NaGastani subs. Nuclear or diesel!

No gender released of the helmsxxxxx.

**sabang** · 08-10-2021, 10:27 AM

A chinky whale? An angry tuna? The mind boggles. Pretty lotech way to bring down a hitech sub.

**koman** · 08-10-2021, 11:04 AM

You would think things like "avoiding collisions at sea" would be highly stressed in any training given to naval officers. It's not exactly advanced training. Christ, I learned all that stuff on a basic sailing course about 50 years ago.

With the array of electronic surveillance equipment ships have these days a galley cook would be able to avoid running into a gigantic cargo ship. It will be interesting to see what the navy brass has to say about this.

**sabang** · 08-10-2021, 11:06 AM

Maybe the crew was smoking dope and rapping to, erm, rap.

**VocalNeal** · 08-10-2021, 12:10 PM

The source seems to be RT News. Doggy at best.

**sabang** · 08-10-2021, 12:12 PM

They broke the News- now the rest have to fess up.

USS Connecticut: Nuclear-powered submarine in underwater collision in South China Sea | news.com.au — Australia’s leading news site

Took 'em a while- it happened last weekend. Good old RT- keeping 'em honest.

**koman** · 08-10-2021, 12:21 PM

Well, in any event, the Chinese navy will be mightly pleased about these developments. They can relax in port now knowing that if they just leave things alone, the intruders will continue to crash into cargo ships and mysterious underwater obstacles. Let the kiddies play with matches and in time they will burn the house down..��

**sabang** · 08-10-2021, 12:24 PM

The boffins are furiously researching technology that goes under the moniker of 'Transparent seas'. Not sure how long subs (which are highly vulnerable) will continue to carry a major stealth advantage.

**harrybarracuda** · 08-10-2021, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by koman

Well, in any event, the Chinese navy will be mightly pleased about these developments. They can relax in port now knowing that if they just leave things alone, the intruders will continue to crash into cargo ships and mysterious underwater obstacles. Let the kiddies play with matches and in time they will burn the house down..��

Unless they hit a chinky sub which is now in Davy Jones locker and the chinkies don't want to admit it....

I remember back in the day we were hosting some matelots for a rather large Golf/Drinking session that went on until well after dark. It included the ship's captain.

Their ship left the next day and promptly hit a reef.

I think he was demoted.

**sabang** · 08-10-2021, 12:55 PM

^ I hope so. If it was a chinky sub, I daresay he would have been thoroughly re-educated.

Anyway, I'm as curious as anyone here what this nuclear warhead carrying behemoth actually collided with, and how. I'll keep checking with RT.

**harrybarracuda** · 08-10-2021, 01:17 PM

Originally Posted by sabang

Anyway, I'm as curious as anyone here what this nuclear warhead carrying behemoth actually collided with, and how. I'll keep checking with RT.

If it was carrying nuclear warheads, I doubt you'd be reading about this in the newspapers.

**malmomike77** · 08-10-2021, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

If it was carrying nuclear warheads, I doubt you'd be reading about this in the newspapers.

true and the word attack in the name implies its conventionally armed

**sabang** · 08-10-2021, 01:41 PM

No need to waste nukes on Chinee fishing boats I suppose.

**panama hat** · 08-10-2021, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by malmomike77

true and the word attack in the name implies its conventionally armed

Really? The word 'attack' in reference to 'attack submarines' implies a specific task - in this case attacking other submarines.

**harrybarracuda** · 08-10-2021, 02:48 PM

Originally Posted by panama hat

Really? The word 'attack' in reference to 'attack submarines' implies a specific task - in this case attacking other submarines.

Which you don't generally do with nuclear weapons.

**OhOh** · 08-10-2021, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by VocalNeal

The source seems to be RT News. Doggy at best.

Here is a trustworthy site just for you.

"Provide an independent forum for those who dare to read, think, speak, and write to advance the professional, literary, and scientific understanding of sea power and other issues critical to global security."

More ar:

Mission & Vision | U.S. Naval Institute

UPDATED: Attack Submarine USS Connecticut Suffers Underwater Collision in South China Sea

By: Sam LaGrone

October 7, 2021 2:38 PM • Updated: October 7, 2021 3:51 PM

"Almost a dozen sailors have been injured after a U.S. nuclear attack submarine hit an unknown underwater object in the South China Sea, USNI News has learned. The Seawolf-class nuclear attack submarine USS Connecticut (SSN-22) suffered an underwater collision while operating in international waters on Oct. 2 and is returning to port in U.S. 7th Fleet, a U.S. Pacific Fleet spokesman confirmed to USNI News on Thursday.

“The Seawolf-class fast-attack submarine USS Connecticut (SSN-22) struck an object while submerged on the afternoon of Oct. 2, while operating in international waters in the Indo-Pacific region. The safety of the crew remains the Navy’s top priority. There are no life-threatening injuries,” Capt. Bill Clinton told USNI News.

“The submarine remains in a safe and stable condition. USS Connecticut’s nuclear propulsion plant and spaces were not affected and remain fully operational. The extent of damage to the remainder of the submarine is being assessed. The U.S. Navy has not requested assistance. The incident will be investigated.”

A defense official told USNI News about 11 sailors were hurt in the incident with moderate to minor injuries. The attack boat is now headed to Guam and is expected to pull in within the next day, the official said. The underwater strike occurred in the South China Sea and the attack boat has been making its way to Guam on the surface since Saturday, a defense official confirmed to USNI News.

The Naval Base Kitsap-Bremerton, Wash., based submarine deployed on May 27 for the Pacific, the Navy announced at the time. The service has released photographs of the submarine operating in the Western Pacific with port calls in Japan in late July and August. U.S. 7th Fleet commander Adm. Karl Thomas visited the submarine in August, according to the service.

Connecticut is one of three Sea Wolf-class boats, a late Cold War attack submarine designed to hunt the most complex Soviet submarines in deep blue water. Along with USS Sea Wolf (SSN-21) and USS Jimmy Carter (SSN-23), Connecticut is among the Navy’s most capable and sensitive attack boats.

The last known instance where a submerged U.S. submarine struck another underwater object was in 2005. Then, USS San Franciso (SSN -711)

struck an underwater mountain at full speed

near Guam. One sailor died in the incident.

The following is the complete Oct. 7 statement from Pacific Fleet.

The Seawolf-class fast-attack submarine USS Connecticut (SSN 22) struck an object while submerged on the afternoon of Oct. 2, while operating in international waters in the Indo-Pacific region. The safety of the crew remains the Navy’s top priority. There are no life-threatening injuries.

The submarine remains in a safe and stable condition. USS Connecticut’s nuclear propulsion plant and spaces were not affected and remain fully operational. The extent of damage to the remainder of the submarine is being assessed. The U.S. Navy has not requested assistance. The incident will be investigated.”

UPDATED: Attack Submarine USS Connecticut Suffers Underwater Collision in South China Sea - USNI News

An invisible, stationary, underwater, mountain is one possibility then. Advanced technology some can only dream of.

Allegedly an excellent class of attack subs, for finding Russian subs in deep blue water, in particular.

Moving, quiet, Chinese diesel subs

US destroyer collides with merchant vessel near Japan-song-class_submarine_5-640x400-jpg

"Although China still lags behind with the technology, especially because of the fact that they still haven’t fully developed nuclear-powered submarines, the Song-class submarines, together with the Yuan-class submarines equipped with air-independent propulsion (AIP), could represent a real threat."

When a Chinese Submarine Appeared In The Middle Of A Carrier Battle Group

Jul 6, 2016

When a Chinese Submarine Appeared In The Middle Of A Carrier Battle Group

and stationary, "cloaked" underwater mountains, in shallow, yellow seas, maybe not so much.

**panama hat** · 09-10-2021, 01:38 AM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Which you don't generally do with nuclear weapons.

Which is irrelevant as nuclear missiles are not the only weapons a nuclear powered submarine has

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