Thread: Two Tourists Brutally Murdered on Koh Tao, One Raped: Police Spark Thailand Manhunt

Originally Posted by YOrlov

I'd have to disagree as he's the guy who offered 1 million baht to anyone who could implicate any member of his family. Some say this was really an offer to implicate someone else.

We can agree to disagree...You seriously believe that "Prey-Youth" could not nail him IF he wanted to?...

And I'll bet he wishes now that things had been done much differently...1 million baht is chump change now...So far it was only an offer...

Let's give them 2 million to dry fck the godfather!...Heh...

^^Still think that looks like a Gaddafi on the left...

Yep Thailand, hopefully you'll have many thousand empty hotel rooms, airline seats and restaurants, this high season, but these two monkeys will be free.

Hope it's worth it you.

Phuketwan
October 10, 2014
By Mark Kent, British Ambassador to Thailand

BANGKOK: I have on many occasions made the point that a free media is an important part of a functioning society - it can help free flow of information and ideas, to educate its audience, to hold those in power to account in areas such as exposing corruption scandals.

But in each society there is a balance to be struck between the public interest in a story, and the right of the individual to privacy and fair treatment. A responsible media must behave professionally and ethically and do its utmost to report accurately. This is an issue which confronts every country. In the United Kingdom in 2012 there was an enquiry led by Lord Leveson into the culture, practice and ethics of the press.

It looked at the relationship between the press and the public and phone hacking and other potentially illegal behavior. It examined the relationship between the press and police and the extent to which that has operated in the public interest. It considered the relationship between press and politicians, and recommendations for a more effective policy and regulation that supports the integrity and freedom of the press while encouraging the highest ethical standards.

I'm afraid that some of these issues appear in Thailand, and have emerged again after the tragic murders on Koh Tao of Hannah Witheridge and David Miller.

I and other ambassadors have on several occasions had to plead with the media to respect the privacy of tourists and their families. In particular it is very distressing to see pictures of the passports of those who have lost their lives posted on media and social media. These contain personal information and add no value to any news story. Personal information and details of victims of crime or accidents should not be passed to the media, nor published by them.

It is especially upsetting if families learn details via the media before they have been informed themselves - the police and authorities must be responsible to ensure this is respected. Nor does anyone gain from seeing graphic pictures. We can only imagine how distressing this is for the families of those who have lost their loved ones here in Thailand. And families should be left to grieve at a time of emotional distress, rather than be subject to media harassment.

Equally media should not act in a way which could be prejudicial to the right to a fair trial of those accused. These are questions of ethics and respect. But they will also help strengthen the media in Thailand, and maintain its reputation as a hospitable destination for foreigners.

We will be discussing these issues with Thai media associations over the coming weeks. We would very much welcome if they could agree on a voluntary code to regulate conduct.

British Ambassador Calls for Reforms in Thailand's Media - Phuket Wan

It's how it has always been here.

Murder is an expensive product that the rich and powerful can afford.

RIP to the kids.

A lesson for those coming here. It's not a joke, stay low profile and watch your back at all times.

Originally Posted by Sumocakewalk

Phuketwan
October 10, 2014
By Mark Kent, British Ambassador to Thailand

BANGKOK: I have on many occasions made the point that a free media is an important part of a functioning society - it can help free flow of information and ideas, to educate its audience, to hold those in power to account in areas such as exposing corruption scandals.

But in each society there is a balance to be struck between the public interest in a story, and the right of the individual to privacy and fair treatment. A responsible media must behave professionally and ethically and do its utmost to report accurately. This is an issue which confronts every country. In the United Kingdom in 2012 there was an enquiry led by Lord Leveson into the culture, practice and ethics of the press.

It looked at the relationship between the press and the public and phone hacking and other potentially illegal behavior. It examined the relationship between the press and police and the extent to which that has operated in the public interest. It considered the relationship between press and politicians, and recommendations for a more effective policy and regulation that supports the integrity and freedom of the press while encouraging the highest ethical standards.

I'm afraid that some of these issues appear in Thailand, and have emerged again after the tragic murders on Koh Tao of Hannah Witheridge and David Miller.

I and other ambassadors have on several occasions had to plead with the media to respect the privacy of tourists and their families. In particular it is very distressing to see pictures of the passports of those who have lost their lives posted on media and social media. These contain personal information and add no value to any news story. Personal information and details of victims of crime or accidents should not be passed to the media, nor published by them.

It is especially upsetting if families learn details via the media before they have been informed themselves - the police and authorities must be responsible to ensure this is respected. Nor does anyone gain from seeing graphic pictures. We can only imagine how distressing this is for the families of those who have lost their loved ones here in Thailand. And families should be left to grieve at a time of emotional distress, rather than be subject to media harassment.

Equally media should not act in a way which could be prejudicial to the right to a fair trial of those accused. These are questions of ethics and respect. But they will also help strengthen the media in Thailand, and maintain its reputation as a hospitable destination for foreigners.

We will be discussing these issues with Thai media associations over the coming weeks. We would very much welcome if they could agree on a voluntary code to regulate conduct.

British Ambassador Calls for Reforms in Thailand's Media - Phuket Wan

Is this his unofficial reply to the petition of 50K people demanding an independent investigation?

^ Yes he seems to be ignoring that, but he's here to look out for business interests, not citizen's safety.
If it weren't for the media, we would have been totally without independent information. Sure the pics were shocking, vile and utterly without conscience whomever posted them initiallly and yes it is a violation of their privacy, but without it, the police would have had no one with any evidence to counter their version.

Originally Posted by Koojo

.

Tough choice indeed
2 immigrant scum vs 2 jaded Thai chavs ...
that Burmese one one the left has the same haircut as that guy running in the CCTV

Originally Posted by YOrlov

. Sure the pics were shocking, vile and utterly without conscience whomever posted them initiallly

Just initially ?
I say anyone who sort them out or posted links to then is equally bad.

Originally Posted by BobR

Yep Thailand, hopefully you'll have many thousand empty hotel rooms, airline seats and restaurants, this high season, but these two monkeys will be free.

Hope it's worth it you.

At least they haven't lost face.

Originally Posted by blue

Originally Posted by YOrlov

. Sure the pics were shocking, vile and utterly without conscience whomever posted them initiallly

Just initially ?
I say anyone who sort them out or posted links to then is equally bad.

The pics came from the police crime scene. So IMHO the book stops there.

Many people believe Warot is the person from the CCTV footage. Looking at the way he swings his arms when he walks and compare to other stills you've seen. Also the Burmese suspect is way too short to be the one from the CCTV footage.

Originally Posted by YOrlov

^ Yes he seems to be ignoring that, but he's here to look out for business interests, not citizen's safety.
If it weren't for the media, we would have been totally without independent information. Sure the pics were shocking, vile and utterly without conscience whomever posted them initiallly and yes it is a violation of their privacy, but without it, the police would have had no one with any evidence to counter their version.

I wouldn't insult the conscience of whoever posted the pictures, as you say without them there would have been nothing to counter their version, and whoever posted them likely knew that. As for the victims families, maybe seeing them was hurtful, but they know the full truth of what happened to their son and daughter. If it were my daughter I would not look at them, but I would want them to stay online as a warning to others and a message about Thailand.

Much more importantly; this is a lot more than just a deliberately botched murder investigation. After the May coup, we were promised reform, openness, rule of law and an end to local mafias. This murder was the coup leaders first big test, and he has failed it miserably. We can now be certain that only local mafias affiliated with the other side will be eliminated, and that nothing will really change in Thailand.

Originally Posted by BobR

Much more importantly; this is a lot more than just a deliberately botched murder investigation. After the May coup, we were promised reform, openness, rule of law and an end to local mafias. This murder was the coup leaders first big test, and he has failed it miserably

Yes, this is the point to consider...However, as Davis said earlier, they can only dig deeper holes because they have too much face to lose...I want to call BS on their reasoning, but I am not Thai, so I don't share the same way of thinking...

However, I have seen something vaguely similar in sports...I have seen umps in various levels of baseball make a call which they must have known afterwards was clearly wrong and they refused to change the call...Utter BS...I have made a few mistakes umping or reffing the odd game and have readily changed the decision when I realized the error...Some fools hang on like their sorry reputations or even their lives depended on it...

The Guardian
October 10, 2014
Writer: Peter Walker

Thailand’s prime minister has defended the police investigation into the murder of two British tourists last month, saying the UK and other nations should “understand” that the correct culprits had been caught.

The comments by Prayuth Chan-ocha came on his return from a visit to Burma, the home of the two migrant workers arrested for allegedly killing Hannah Witheridge and David Miller on the island of Koh Tao.

The suspects have said they were beaten by police and threatened with electrocution to confess, and a Burmese embassy-appointed lawyer said the confessions had now been retracted.

While Prayuth was in Burma he was lobbied by the country’s president, Thein Sein, to ensure the suspects were treated fairly. “If they are guilty, action should be taken according to the law. However, the investigation needs to be clean and fair,” the Burmese leader told Prayuth, according to a Burmese official quoted by Agence France-Presse.

To coincide with Prayuth’s visit, a small crowd of demonstrators gathered in Burma’s biggest city, Rangoon, to demand a fair trial for their compatriots. The Burmese official said Prayuth had promised to give special consideration to the case.

When Prayuth returned to Bangkok, however, he defended the police case and said overseas critics were misinformed. “I would like the media to stop speculation and let investigators do their work,” he told reporters.

“We must build foreign confidence and make Britain and other foreign nations understand. They might be a little surprised why the criminals were caught so quickly. I myself was excited. I want all Thais to stop and think that authorities have procedures in place. Nobody would dare catch the wrong person because this is a case of big international interest.”



President Thein Sein speaks to Thailand's prime minister, Prayuth Chan-ocha (left) during this visit to Burma. Photograph: Thai Government Spokesman Office/EPA

Full article: Thai PM defends investigation into Britons? murder | World news | The Guardian

other nations should “understand” that the correct culprits had been caught.

Thailand should "understand" that rule of law provides innocent untill proven guilty .

Originally Posted by Sumocakewalk

They might be a little surprised why the criminals were caught so quickly.

A very strange statement...

Originally Posted by Sumocakewalk

Nobody would dare catch the wrong person because this is a case of big international interest.”

Fck me, where did you go to school, "Prey-Youth?"...Surely not outside Thailand...

Originally Posted by BaitongBoy

Originally Posted by Sumocakewalk Nobody would dare catch the wrong person because this is a case of big international interest.”

Fck me, where did you go to school, "Prey-Youth?"...Surely not outside Thailand...

In promoting a new education policy, Prayuth said:

“Teachers assign difficult homework to students.

The other day, I had a look at homework of a por neung student (first-year elementary school).

I must say that I didn’t even know how to do it.

Homework is too difficult for students.”

Wisdom of General Prayuth

Weren't the Pic from the police website.?

Kent seems to forget that without all thats gone on it would just be the normal cover up.

Possibly he does know same Brit establishment shit cover everything up.

Originally Posted by BobR

Originally Posted by YOrlov

^ Yes he seems to be ignoring that, but he's here to look out for business interests, not citizen's safety.
If it weren't for the media, we would have been totally without independent information. Sure the pics were shocking, vile and utterly without conscience whomever posted them initiallly and yes it is a violation of their privacy, but without it, the police would have had no one with any evidence to counter their version.

I wouldn't insult the conscience of whoever posted the pictures, as you say without them there would have been nothing to counter their version, and whoever posted them likely knew that. As for the victims families, maybe seeing them was hurtful, but they know the full truth of what happened to their son and daughter. If it were my daughter I would not look at them, but I would want them to stay online as a warning to others and a message about Thailand.

Much more importantly; this is a lot more than just a deliberately botched murder investigation. After the May coup, we were promised reform, openness, rule of law and an end to local mafias. This murder was the coup leaders first big test, and he has failed it miserably. We can now be certain that only local mafias affiliated with the other side will be eliminated, and that nothing will really change in Thailand.

I agree 100 % on this point and am not surprised at all.

However I strongly feel whomever first posted those pics, (and will we ever know who it was?) did not have the public interest at heart, in fact, it really seemed to be about humiliation particularly Witheridge's entirely exposed body. Can't imagine anyone dying like that in a vicious assault, not a defensive gesture at all. I think she was posed deliberately to be found in that position- which lends more credence of a pay back assault.
As we know Mr Mon had access to the earliest crime scene from the half-dozen or so pics of him milling around, may well have been his camera the pics came from.

Guys, the Brit Embassy is a 100% impotent outfit. The Ambassador is loving his cushy Thai outpost. He ain't gonna rock the boat in a million years.

As for Prayuth, he's one lying, lying Thai kunt. Some of his comments really do insult the intelligence.

Originally Posted by blue

Originally Posted by YOrlov

. Sure the pics were shocking, vile and utterly without conscience whomever posted them initiallly

Just initially ?
I say anyone who sought them out or posted links to then is equally bad.

Would you say that those who took or posted the photos were worse than the people who slaughtered the two kids, or less worse?

^ The hoe monsters of Koh Tao are still out there walking around free.