Thread: Two Tourists Brutally Murdered on Koh Tao, One Raped: Police Spark Thailand Manhunt

^ what to believe

that last article says

Officers today swept the Ocean View resort where the Ware brothers and Mr Miller were sharing a room overlooking the beach

Brothers? Two of them sharing room with the deceased Mr Miller?
First i have read of there being two of them.
We had one man earlier, Christopher Ware, who another report said went to stay with his brother in Bangkok.
So was this other brother the mystery man who left the island early Mon morning?

Or is this yet another 'lost in translation'?

Originally Posted by Fluke

If the flight was booked after the killings, he would seem to be guilty

Might be innocent but worried about a weak alibi and a foreign scapegoat being sought.

I hope he is guilty cos otherwise his name is now fukked forever.

Fluke, are you somehow challenged?

Ware was neither caught trying to board an aircraft nor is there any evidence whatsoever that he was involved in the murder.

The killings took place predawn but after an all night party involving over 50 farang.

The couple then went to the secluded cove where they were murdered.

Ware left early on the first ferry en route to the UK. He was interviewed in Surat Thani and then released.

He has been re interviewed subsequently and has cooperated in this.

The only conjecture so far is a chickenhead Col. Of police who , in his experience ( whatever that fucking means ) thinks the crime was one of passion. Presumably his source for this supposition is the current soap on Channel 7'since there is so far no fucking evidence adduced to incriminate him other than said ramblings of a Thai copper.

Originally Posted by thegent

Fluke, are you somehow challenged?

Ware was neither caught trying to board an aircraft nor is there any evidence whatsoever that he was involved in the murder.

You're fluked now.
After leaving the island he and his brother were picked up at swampy trying to leave, then brought back for more questioning.

And you don't know what evidence the cops have. Apart that is from his injured hands, bloodsoaked jeans in the victims bag and his attempted rapid flight from the island and country.

Originally Posted by thegent

Fluke, are you somehow challenged?

Ware was neither caught trying to board an aircraft nor is there any evidence whatsoever that he was involved in the murder.



Ware left early on the first ferry en route to the UK. He was interviewed in Surat Thani and then released.

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He then went from Surratani to Swampy to get a flight back to the U.K , at Swampy he was told to return to Ko Tao for more questioning

"Mr Ware was reportedly stopped by police - along with a man believed to be his brother, James - at Suvarnabhumi International airport last night before boarding a London-bound flight."

He was found to have blood stained clothes in his possession, and both Brothers shared a room with the deceased man .
If the flights were booked before the killings, that would give him an alibi as why he wanted to leave the Country so soon, just a coincidence , if the flights were booked after the killings, one would have to ask why he suddenly wanted to leave .

Originally Posted by Looper

Originally Posted by Fluke

If the flight was booked after the killings, he would seem to be guilty

Might be innocent but worried about a weak alibi and a foreign scapegoat being sought.

Yeah sure. Pissed up and after a night on the bevvy he slaughters one guy with a 15 lb hoe but only after a furious struggle in which he subdues a fully grown man and then drowns him, by himself in the surf, following which he pursues a girl who sits there waiting for him to FINISH slaughtering her boyfriend for the night, and then he sets about slaughtering her after ripping off her bikini and has his evil way, after his 20 shots of whatever he's had that night with the various spiffs and magic fucking mushrooms as you do, and then returns to his digs and calmly packs his bags but only after rinsing off. 10 pints of fucking blood, and then gets on his computer and,after waiting a fucking hour to get a connection he finally locks into Kayak and sorts out a fucking booking after which he then saunters down to the jetty for the first fucking ferry but only after he's had his banana pancake breakfast with all the others who can't help but notice those little flecks of blood dotted about his visage he's somehow missed in that fucking rain shower in his en suite bothy.

Christ.do you folk have any imagination?

To kill two young healthy adults, including drowning, with your bare hands and a heavy implement takes rather more than one skinny little chap by himself who has spent the entire past 12 hours before the event getting fucking legless.

To kill like that in those circumstances would take a group of men intent on a barbarity Ware couldn't even conceive, never mind execute by himself.

The couple were murdered by a gang of Thai and Ware is being fitted up for it.

Originally Posted by Fluke

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Originally Posted by The Ghost Of The Moog

^Yes, but she was wearing an extremely sexy bikini, according to the Prime Minister.

I think the attire of the your gentleman is important too as didn't one report say he was sodomised, surely young men should be given equal warning as to how they dress less they bring an unwanted forced buggering on themselves.

How do you know that it wasnt consensual ?

Did you read what the prime minister said earlier, basically saying that's it's ok for ugly women to wear bikinis as no one would want to rape them but pretty girls shouldn't?

So to summerise the thinking of the plod. Pissed up farang sees blonde in sexy bikini and nice chap in budgie smuggler speedoes and wants to rape them both. A fight ensues between the two guys in the surf, doubtless with sexy bikini girl screaming "leave it, barry, he's not worth it". The accused, in the middle of an ocean fight (KY so expensive these days) rapes the bloke in the surf in the middle of the fight, and as luck would have it a hoe floats past during his vinegars so he decides its a good idea to brain the poor bloke just as he shoots his load in his wrongun. Sexy Bikini girl on seeing this and knowing that as she believe she is not a minger is therefore unsafe on a Thai beach in a bikini and asking to be raped, runs off for help, only to be over taken by the accused as he runs up the beach, that is currently home to 50 partying farangs, dragging the dead body of the budgie smuggler dude behind him. He gets in front of the girl, rapes her, twats her in the face with the hoe during which being surprisingly polite for a farang she refuses to scream for help because if she had, the galant and noble thai folk near by would come to help her. The lad then places some blonde hair he has with him in her hands as well as resting some on a phone near by to throw the police off of the scent (he had short brown hair after all), belts it back to the hotel and high tails it to swampy with his brother to catch a flight where Inspector Fuckwit decides he is guilty and asks him to come back, which he does.

Or, the boys got pissed, went back to the hotel, get up early for the long trip to swampy to catch their flight and were quite surprised when they were stopped and told the tragic news.

Flake is right for the 1st time ever. When was the flight booked?

Anything that prevents your gibberish Fluke is good. Folk are obviously reading this from the UK and given the somewhat superficial reporting coming from the press there, naive and evidently gullible to a degree that is quite shameful, I rather think they deserve some insight into just what the Thai police are capable of.

Most casual observers wouldn't even conceive of the cynical and corrupt methods of the police in this country but under the current government it seems those methods are what they want. Not only is it likely an innocent man is going to be framed for this dreadful crime but the actual perpetrators are going to remain free shielded by their community whose agenda just happens to accord with that of a ghastly General so devoid of any sense that he can spout such utter tripe as long as it perpetuates the myth the Thai are decent, law abiding people without exception.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

So to summerise the thinking of the plod. Pissed up farang sees blonde in sexy bikini and nice chap in budgie smuggler speedoes and wants to rape them both. A fight ensues between the two guys in the surf, doubtless with sexy bikini girl screaming "leave it, barry, he's not worth it". The accused, in the middle of an ocean fight (KY so expensive these days) rapes the bloke in the surf in the middle of the fight, and as luck would have it a hoe floats past during his vinegars so he decides its a good idea to brain the poor bloke just as he shoots his load in his wrongun. Sexy Bikini girl on seeing this and knowing that as she believe she is not a minger is therefore unsafe on a Thai beach in a bikini and asking to be raped, runs off for help, only to be over taken by the accused as he runs up the beach, that is currently home to 50 partying farangs, dragging the dead body of the budgie smuggler dude behind him. He gets in front of the girl, rapes her, twats her in the face with the hoe during which being surprisingly polite for a farang she refuses to scream for help because if she had, the galant and noble thai folk near by would come to help her. The lad then places some blonde hair he has with him in her hands as well as resting some on a phone near by to throw the police off of the scent (he had short brown hair after all), belts it back to the hotel and high tails it to swampy with his brother to catch a flight where Inspector Fuckwit decides he is guilty and asks him to come back, which he does.

Or, the boys got pissed, went back to the hotel, get up early for the long trip to swampy to catch their flight and were quite surprised when they were stopped and told the tragic news.

Flake is right for the 1st time ever. When was the flight booked?

Sounds right to me. [because we all know that Farang would never be capable of such brutal and heinous activity - only "locals" apply to such barbarous acts]

Originally Posted by Koojo

Originally Posted by Necron99

Originally Posted by thegent

Fluke, are you somehow challenged?

Ware was neither caught trying to board an aircraft nor is there any evidence whatsoever that he was involved in the murder.

You're fluked now.
After leaving the island he and his brother were picked up at swampy trying to leave, then brought back for more questioning.

And you don't know what evidence the cops have. Apart that is from his injured hands, bloodsoaked jeans in the victims bag and his attempted rapid flight from the island and country.

Why, how and WTF.
Bloodsoaked jeans in the VICTIMS bag.
Say what?

Yes, his bloodsoaked jeans were found in the victims bag, the victim he shared a room with.

Maybe he thought doing a runner with bloodsoaked jeans in his pack was not a good idea in case he was searched.?

Um, I've just slaughtered two people after bludgeoning them to death in addition to wrestling one victim in the surf and half drowning him, and for good measure I threw in a rape.

Oh dear my jeans are covered in blood. Gosh what should I do? I know I'll take them off but, my oh my, what should I do with them? I know, I'll hide them but where? Oh, I know, I'll put them in my mate's bag, yes the mate that I have known for years but who I've just decided to kill by drowning him in the surf and then caving in his skull because he got off with a girl I fancied but I showed her what's what by killing her too but only after slipping her a length. They'll never find them there will they when they come to investigate which they might do but I'm not too sure so what is there to worry about.

Oh dear, look at the time. I'd better get a move on and pack my bag, I might miss my flight. Oh, better wake up my brother who hasn't noticed a thing.

In the meantime, Noddy wakes up and sensing something ain't right decides to find Mr. Plod who is brilliant about finding out everything because he is.

Are we all Ok now boys and girls? Do you want to hear another little story?

Originally Posted by thegent

Um, I've just slaughtered two people after bludgeoning them to death in addition to wrestling one victim in the surf and half drowning him, and for good measure I threw in a rape.

Oh dear my jeans are covered in blood. Gosh what should I do? I know I'll take them off but, my oh my, what should I do with them? I know, I'll hide them but where? Oh, I know, I'll put them in my mate's bag, yes the mate that I have known for years but who I've just decided to kill by drowning him in the surf and then caving in his skull because he got off with a girl I fancied but I showed her what's what by killing her too but only after slipping her a length. They'll never find them there will they when they come to investigate which they might do but I'm not too sure so what is there to worry about.

Oh dear, look at the time. I'd better get a move on and pack my bag, I might miss my flight. Oh, better wake up my brother who hasn't noticed a thing.

In the meantime, Noddy wakes up and sensing something ain't right decides to find Mr. Plod who is brilliant about finding out everything because he is.

Are we all Ok now boys and girls? Do you want to hear another little story?

There is no evidence (released) that indicates she was raped (or he).
Quite simple to see them shagging, whack him, finish her then drag him to the water a few meters away to finish him off.
Crimes of passion aren't done by Professor Moriarty who has it all worked out.
They are done by Noddies who do stupid shit, panic and get caught.


All the heinous personal attacks/deaths in western countries, are they all done by Thai migrants Thegent?

Originally Posted by thegent

Evidently there were more than one assailant.

You love just making shit up don;t you?
He was bashed semi conscious mid act before the attacker moved on to the poor girl, struggles a bit when being dragged to the water, guy grabs a rock and messes him up a little more.

All perfectly plausible in the absence of any other actual evidence to the contrary.
When there is a shred of evidence, even a sniff of some mythical Thai killer squad, I'll consider that.
Most people aren't murdered by strangers, overwhelmingly most, even in LOS.
Thai killers, unless they are Cops, are invariably caught almost straight away, cause, they're all stupid like innit?

Thailand beach murders: No DNA matches

Police in Thailand said that DNA samples from the bodies of two British tourists found bludgeoned on a resort island did not match any collected from 12 people who were among those in the area.

Police also conducted autopsies which showed that 23-year-old Hannah Witheridge died from head wounds while 24-year-old David Miller suffered severe blows to the head and drowned in the surf, said Maj. Gen. Pornchai Suteerakune, the country's forensics police chief.

Pornchai said Miller also had wounds on his hand, indicating a struggle had taken place.

The two Britons were found on Monday morning local time in a rocky alcove along the shore close to the hotel where they both were staying on Koh Tao. A bloodied hoe was found near the bodies.


Authorities have made no arrests so far but are hoping to be able to match DNA samples.

However, assistant national police chief Gen. Jarumporn Suramanee said two sets of DNA that were found both on Witheridge's body and on a cigarette butt near the scene did not match samples taken from three foreigners and nine migrant workers in the area.

DNA traces from possible suspects could not be detected on Miller's body because it was smeared with his blood, Jarumporn said.

He said investigators believe there was more than one attacker and more than one murder weapon.

Koh Tao is a popular diving destination in the Gulf of Thailand, and the brutal deaths were a blow to the country's tourism industry, which has struggled in the wake of six months of political protests that culminated in a military coup in May.

More than 70 police officers have been deployed to the island to investigate the case.

Thailand beach murders: No DNA matches - World - NZ Herald News



Doesn't DNA give you the racial characteristics of the subject?

Well there are fresh shitfights this evening/morning over the whole tragedy...Really, we cannot believe what we hear from the media...How many years have we been duped into accepting false facts and running around like, dare I say, chickenheads...

Any conspiracy theories while we're at it?...Apart from Thailand conspiring to shoot itself in the foot because they haven't seen the need for a clear international spokesperson to speak in "international terms" with emphasis on the grief the families are experiencing...

Wouldn't they feel any compassion if the victims were their own children?...

Originally Posted by thegent

Originally Posted by Looper

Originally Posted by Fluke

If the flight was booked after the killings, he would seem to be guilty

Might be innocent but worried about a weak alibi and a foreign scapegoat being sought.

Yeah sure. Pissed up and after a night on the bevvy he slaughters one guy with a 15 lb hoe but only after a furious struggle in which he subdues a fully grown man and then drowns him, by himself in the surf, following which he pursues a girl who sits there waiting for him to FINISH slaughtering her boyfriend for the night, and then he sets about slaughtering her after ripping off her bikini and has his evil way, after his 20 shots of whatever he's had that night with the various spiffs and magic fucking mushrooms as you do, and then returns to his digs and calmly packs his bags but only after rinsing off. 10 pints of fucking blood, and then gets on his computer and,after waiting a fucking hour to get a connection he finally locks into Kayak and sorts out a fucking booking after which he then saunters down to the jetty for the first fucking ferry but only after he's had his banana pancake breakfast with all the others who can't help but notice those little flecks of blood dotted about his visage he's somehow missed in that fucking rain shower in his en suite bothy.

Christ.do you folk have any imagination?

To kill two young healthy adults, including drowning, with your bare hands and a heavy implement takes rather more than one skinny little chap by himself who has spent the entire past 12 hours before the event getting fucking legless.

To kill like that in those circumstances would take a group of men intent on a barbarity Ware couldn't even conceive, never mind execute by himself.

The couple were murdered by a gang of Thai and Ware is being fitted up for it.

It's possible that this Brit did it. He could have been on some mind-racing substance and went mental, and the murdered Brit could have been drunk and clumsy and thus easy to beat. Perhaps he wanted a go on the girl but a fight started.

The hairs in the girl's hand should be the solver. It's not something you do to someone you are having happy sex with, and blond would rule out locals.

according to drummonds site
LEAKED REPORT SUGGESTS BOTH HANNAH AND DAVID FOUGHT OFF THEIR ATTACKERS - Andrew Drummond

It appears CCTV footage identified by police as being that of David and Hannah is now not CCTV footage of David and Hannah.

1) Who the hell wears jeans on a beach at a beach party?
2) The police are only interested in it being a migrant worker or a farang. This mean the attacker is Thai and most likely the police know who it is already and are negotiating their silence.

Originally Posted by blue

according to drummonds site
LEAKED REPORT SUGGESTS BOTH HANNAH AND DAVID FOUGHT OFF THEIR ATTACKERS - Andrew Drummond

It appears CCTV footage identified by police as being that of David and Hannah is now not CCTV footage of David and Hannah.

I was going to say that a couple of day ago. It looks nothing like them unless David suddenly decided to dress up like a r+b gangsta and the girl turned into an issan mattress warrior.

Drummonds article is spot on the money basically - the police are pissing about desperate to pin this on a foreigner to back up their stupid claim that a Thai would not do such a nasty thing. You'd have to assume that they do not get the Thai news papers in the area then which detail daily stories of thais doing such nasty and heinous things all over the country.

The injuries to the side of his head and her face could of came from the same blow. They were having sex missionary position. Attacker(s) whack him a glancing blow off the side of his head and into her face. She is unconscious, he is stunned, fight ensues, when the guy is dead either the attacker finishes off the girl or she has already been killed by the other(s).