Thread: 2 Brits stabbed in Borneo

Originally Posted by thegent

These chaps were not tourists or backpackers. They were medical students on a placement programme in which they gained frontline experience in an emerging world's system whilst offering some assistance. The programme is arranged through inter-government agencies and state funded - the students simply receive an allowance representing their immediate needs, little more than pocket money.

It was approaching the end of their term in Kuching and they ŵere all out celebrating the event.

Poor sods. Those delinquents will surely suffer for this.

They were not natives of the country that they were in. Details are sketchy but I would venture to guess that these guys , in a drunken stooper, somehow told the wrong person to fcuk off even if they had good reason to do so.

A good rule of thumb is to eat any verbal abuse that is leveled on you in foreign lands.

Originally Posted by The Maestro

Details are sketchy

Details are pretty much non existent.

I don't personally see the need to fill the void by denigrating the dead but....whatever floats your boat I suppose.

Originally Posted by The Maestro

Originally Posted by thegent

These chaps were not tourists or backpackers. They were medical students on a placement programme in which they gained frontline experience in an emerging world's system whilst offering some assistance. The programme is arranged through inter-government agencies and state funded - the students simply receive an allowance representing their immediate needs, little more than pocket money.

It was approaching the end of their term in Kuching and they ŵere all out celebrating the event.

Poor sods. Those delinquents will surely suffer for this.

They were not natives of the country that they were in. Details are sketchy but I would venture to guess that these guys , in a drunken stooper, somehow told the wrong person to fcuk off even if they had good reason to do so.

A good rule of thumb is to eat any verbal abuse that is leveled on you in foreign lands.

Sadly true.

[QUOTE=terry57;2837469]

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

Originally Posted by terry57

Terry,

Just curious but do you typically travel to all these places alone? I have done for many years and never experienced any threats or violence. This just shows that even if you go somewhere with a friend, anything can happen.

I'd say 80 % of my travels are Solo.

Thing is I'm very aware that when in someones elses country is not a top idea to get pissed up in a pub and get into conflict with locals. One will never win.


That said, I'd never do it back in Perth either as one could quite easily get shanked there also, happened plenty of times and getting worse.

Hey, But these where young guys and young guys tend to be less tuned in EH.

Same for the USA. There are parts of many cities where an unknown white guy would not be welcome. I've learned to trust my gut and walk out of a place that gave me bad vibes.

Originally Posted by cyrille

Originally Posted by The Maestro

Details are sketchy

Details are pretty much non existent.

I don't personally see the need to fill the void by denigrating the dead but....whatever floats your boat I suppose.

I also don't see the need to paint a perfect picture of the people involved. Which damages the reputation of the place where it happened by default.

Originally Posted by The Maestro

Originally Posted by cyrille

Originally Posted by The Maestro

Details are sketchy

Details are pretty much non existent.

I don't personally see the need to fill the void by denigrating the dead but....whatever floats your boat I suppose.

I also don't see the need to paint a perfect picture of the people involved. Which damages the reputation of the place where it happened by default.

I think that's already damaged by the fact that four locals stabbed a couple of kids to death for nothing more than being annoying.

if they lose face
expect the worst.
RIP.

Originally Posted by billy the kid

if they lose face
expect the worst.
RIP.

Face - Schmace This concept of face started in Asian cultures in principle: Not to embarrass or critizise someone in public. Fine. But the concept has been hi - jacked
by reckless lowlife local males so that they can continue to be reckless jerks.
For example these lowlife Bangkok city bus drivers who drop passengers off in the middle of the road. Of course the poor Thais just accept this w/o complaining
so the driver wont lose "face". And just in Pattaya some reckless local male on a moto bike hit a cyclist from the U.S. When the white American said something he was attacked with a butcher knife .

Originally Posted by The Maestro

Just because I am not buying into the usual pity that goes along with these tragic stories of stupid arrogant Brits that go around drinking themselves into trouble

Lets just hope any children you may have sired are well behaved at all times if and when the travel to foreign lands.
If their not could be a case of som nam naa.

Three murder suspects to be produced in court today

Posted on August 13, 2014, Wednesday
KUCHING: Three suspects in the murder of two British medical students – Neil Dalton, 23, and Aidan Brunger, 22 – will be produced in court today following the expiry of their remand order.




Combo photographs of four of five suspects





The suspects including the main suspect aged 35, 23 and 19 have been remanded in police custody for seven-day to facilitate investigation into the case under Section 302 of the Penal Code.
All of them were picked up by the police on the same day of the murder at Jalan Abel in the early morning of Aug 2.
Altogether, five suspects were arrested in connection with the murder.
The fourth suspect, a 35-year-old man, who is also being remanded for seven days, is expected to be produced in court tomorrow (Thursday) as his order was given a day late.
He was however arrested on the same day with the first three suspects.
The fifth suspect, a 55-year-old man, who was arrested a day after the four suspects were arrested will have his seven-day remand order expiring on Friday.
The victims, from Newcastle University, UK, were here for two months’ practical training at a hospital here.
The police have considered the murder case solved with the arrest of all the suspects.


Read more: Three murder suspects to be produced in court today – BorneoPost Online | Borneo , Malaysia, Sarawak Daily News | Largest English Daily In Borneo

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by The Maestro

Originally Posted by cyrille

Originally Posted by The Maestro

Details are sketchy

Details are pretty much non existent.

I don't personally see the need to fill the void by denigrating the dead but....whatever floats your boat I suppose.

I also don't see the need to paint a perfect picture of the people involved. Which damages the reputation of the place where it happened by default.

I think that's already damaged by the fact that four locals stabbed a couple of kids to death for nothing more than being annoying.

We don't know what it is but they did do something.

Originally Posted by The Maestro

We don't know what it is but they did do something.

Your response is contradictory and puerile. You and We don't know shit about what caused it.
Could have been being too loud, too drunk, too argumentative, could have won the wrong game of snooker or cheered the wrong goal, talking to the wrong girl, looking at someone the wrong way or it could in fact have been fucking nothing at all......

Just being a Farang in a strange place was enough for a death sentence.

Originally Posted by Necron99

Originally Posted by The Maestro

We don't know what it is but they did do something.

Your response is contradictory and puerile. You and We don't know shit about what caused it.
Could have been being too loud, too drunk, too argumentative, could have won the wrong game of snooker or cheered the wrong goal, talking to the wrong girl, looking at someone the wrong way or it could in fact have been fucking nothing at all......

It was probably started by something petty. I don't disagree on that. But it was escalated to the point where not one but 2 people were killed. Maybe they were talking to the wrong girls and instead of taking the out , they escalated it to the point where face was clearly lost. When someone in a foreign country gives you an out, you take it.

It's uncanny.

As if you were actually there...

Hope necron's post isn't deleted like mine just for taking issue with this drivel.

Originally Posted by The Maestro

Originally Posted by Necron99

Originally Posted by The Maestro

We don't know what it is but they did do something.

Your response is contradictory and puerile. You and We don't know shit about what caused it.
Could have been being too loud, too drunk, too argumentative, could have won the wrong game of snooker or cheered the wrong goal, talking to the wrong girl, looking at someone the wrong way or it could in fact have been fucking nothing at all......

It was probably started by something petty. I don't disagree on that. But it was escalated to the point where not one but 2 people were killed. Maybe they were talking to the wrong girls and instead of taking the out , they escalated it to the point where face was clearly lost. When someone in a foreign country gives you an out, you take it.

Here's an out. Please take it.

Originally Posted by cyrille

As if you were actually there...

Seems some lads just can't contain their barstool considerations before the facts are known.

Autopsy just been carried out in the U.K. on the lads.
Have to wait for the coroners report, that takes a while.

Man charged over Borneo killings



A 23-year-old man has been charged with the murder of two British students earlier this month in Borneo.

Malaysian fishmonger Zulkipli Abdullah has been charged with stabbing Newcastle University students, Neil Dalton and Aidan Brunger, to death.

The men died earlier this month following an argument in a bar the city of Kuching.


BBC News - Man charged over Borneo killings

A bit more information in this BP update

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Malay Charged With Killing Brit Students

Bangkok Post
August 19, 2014
Writer: AFP

KUALA LUMPUR - A Malaysian fishmonger on Tuesday was charged with murder over the fatal stabbing of two British medical students, a crime that carries the death penalty, local media and police said.

The bodies of Newcastle University students Neil Dalton and Aidan Brunger, both 22, were found early August 6 lying in the road in Kuching, capital of Sarawak state on Borneo island.

Five Malaysian men were arrested in connection with the stabbing deaths that occurred after an alcohol-fuelled argument, according to police.

One of the suspects, Zulkipli Abdullah, 23, was charged with the murder on Tuesday, The Star daily reported.

The charge carries the mandatory death penalty by hanging upon conviction. No plea was recorded.

The four other suspects would not be charged but would appear as prosecution witnesses, Sarawak deputy police chief Chai Khin Chung told AFP.

He added three of them saw the crime, while the fourth helped dispose of evidence.

Court officials declined to comment when contacted, while lawyers could not immediately be reached.

Full article: Malay charged with killing Brit students | Bangkok Post: news

Malaysian fishmonger to hang for killing British students
Last updated 19:36, March 31 2015



A Malaysian court has sentenced a fishmonger to death for killing two British medical students last year on Borneo island.

Prosecutor Muhamad Iskandar Ahmad said the high court found Zulkipli Abdullah, 23, guilty of stabbing to death Aidan Brunger and Neil Gareth Dalton in Sarawak state last August.

"The court ruled that his defence was merely an afterthought. The defence failed to raise any reasonable doubts in the case," Muhamad Iskandar said.

He said Zulkipli made an unsworn statement from the dock during his defence. Zulkipli told the court that he was involved in a fight with the two Britons along with two of his friends and that he punched one of them, but denied stabbing them to death with a knife.

However, Muhamad Iskandar said there was no gang fight and that the attack on the Britons was unprovoked.

The two men with Zulkipli testified for the prosecution and said that Zulkipli told them he wanted to "test his power" against bigger and taller foreigners, Muhamad Iskandar said. After killing the Britons, he sniffed the blood on his hands and told his friends that "the blood of white men smells nice," the prosecutor said.

Authorities found the folded knife that Zulkipli used in the murder at his house, which matched the stab wounds on the Britons, Muhamad Iskandar said.

Newcastle University students Brunger and Dalton, both 22, were found dead with stab wounds two days before their work placement at a Sarawak hospital was due to end.

- AP

The two men with Zulkipli testified for the prosecution and said that Zulkipli told them he wanted to "test his power" against bigger and taller foreigners, Muhamad Iskandar said. After killing the Britons, he sniffed the blood on his hands and told his friends that "the blood of white men smells nice," the prosecutor said.

Well Zulkipli, let's see if your 'power' can get you out of this one.

No doubt, the smell of this fishmonger dangling from the end of a rope won't be so nice.

This is why the Death penalty must be considered a fair Punishment.

Crimes like this one deserve the Death penalty end of story.

No chance of rehabilitation, just a quick walk out the back and Off him.

Job done.

^ Terry,

Agreed.

Let them, and all ilk of this lot, hang.