Thread: All overstayers to be expelled and denied re-entry

Originally Posted by somtamslap

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Is this to be followed up by a link to Amazon by any chance and the offer of a Free Overstay Advice pamphlet with ever purchase of a certain book?

Triffic idea...

Not being funny, but it you plugged that on TV, you would make a bomb.

Full of posters saying "Hypothetically .... my mate...this bloke .... if perhaps you had" and going on to reveal how they are all fucked as soon as they get caught.

Originally Posted by cluck

Try doing that in Australia.

I think you'll find they do Terry.

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THERE are enough illegal immigrants living in Australia to fill a large regional city, and nearly all of these 58,400 people arrive by plane.

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There are 13 times more illegal immigrants than there are asylum seekers in detention who have arrived by boat.
Figures obtained by The Advertiser from the Immigration Department and under the Freedom of Information Act show plane arrivals from the United States (5080) and Britain (3610) are near the top of the list of those in the country without a valid visa. China (8070), and Malaysia (4200) round out the top four.

There are 4446 detained boat people, the largest national grouping of which are Afghans (1422).

Three in four of the 58,400 visa overstayers came on tourist or holiday-working visas; one in seven arrived as students and one in 15 disappeared after being granted temporary residency.

Last year, only 6720 visa overstayers were sent home, most voluntarily, after applications to stay longer were rejected.

The US Government refused to answer questions about how it tried to stop visa overstayers but British Deputy High Commissioner Jolyon Welsh was critical of those who broke the rules.

Mr Welsh said only limited help was given to visa overstayers who were deported and had travel restrictions imposed. "My strong advice to British nationals is that they make sure they have the right visa for what they want to do and stay within the terms of that visa," Mr Welsh said.

Other details provided by the Immigration Department include:

MORE than half of the overstayers have called Australia home for five or more years.

ABOUT 20,000 have lived here a decade or more.

TWO in three have evaded immigration authorities for more than two years.

The figures do not include thousands of visitors who overstay their visas by up to a fortnight.

Refugee Council of Australia chief executive officer Paul Power said the figures helped put boat arrivals into context.

"The impact of boat arrivals on Australia's migration program is very small," he said.

"Political leaders continue to add to public fears about people arriving by boat but they make little or no effort to put the small number of asylum seekers entering Australia into any global context. Little attention is paid to the fact that so many asylum seekers who arrive by boat are found to have well-founded fears of persecution."

But Ethnic Communities' Council chairman Sam Afra said more should be done to round up visa overstayers and send them home. "It's shocking - to have one in three who have been here more than 10 years (suggests) something's wrong with the system," he said.

Mr Afra said illegal overstayers hurt everyone, including legitimate migrants and refugees, by taking jobs and housing, using public services and not paying tax.

Monash University migration expert Bob Birrell said tens of thousands of foreign students, who had expected to get residency here once their course was finished, were now scrambling to find ways to stay after immigration laws were tightened last year. "A surge in the number of students who have overstayed without any form of bridging visa is a reflection of their desire to extend their stay by hook or by crook," he said.

There were 10,600 more visa overstayers at June 30 last year than in 2005.

A spokesman for Immigration Minister Chris Bowen said less than 0.1 percent of visitors overstayed visas and many only for short times before leaving without immigration's involvement.

The 58,000 represents only around one fifth of those who overstay their visas, most being found and sent home within the first two weeks after the document expires.



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Originally Posted by somtamslap

I bet there are a few people reading this thread now, thinking about the passports stashed at the bottom of their suitcases - passports they haven't seen for years.

Nil desperandum - you're in Thailand and another door for corruption has simply opened.

That overstay is actually quite easy to negate.

What a strange Post.

Who has "Passports stashed at the bottom of their suitcases - passports they haven't seen for years" ?

Surely (assuming one has been able to obtain multiple Passports of course) most have already expired and in any case have no valid Thai Visas in them.

And how - exactly - is "that Overstay ..... easy to negate"?

The upcoming legislation is clearly designed to make sure that is not possible.

Patrick

Originally Posted by Evilbaz

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

I read a post somewhere about the increase in the 800k/400k deposited for 3 months.

Carn't find the post but it was from a guy who had been on a retirement visa in LOS for 25 years and the amount required to be deposited had risen from some silly amount like 120k baht at the start.
Anyone got any more info on this?

Haven't got a link for you as I don't read Thai but it is buried in the Thai Immi regulations on retirement.

Prior to 2004 the amount required for a retirement visa/extension was 200,000 baht.
In 2004 it was raised to 800,000 baht but all those previously qualified under the 200k rule were "grand-fathered" in and to date still only have to show 200k baht.

Logically ( cue loud laughter from the peanut gallery) if the requirement is raised those here already on retirement extensions would only have to satisfy their previous requirement standards.

Anecdotally, one Swiss gentleman I know, who finally eventually accepted that one could have a verified pension plus a make up balance to match 800k baht, (after denying for several years that an Antipodean could possibly know more than one of Germanic persuasion) went to Phuket Immi recently to pursue this path (he now has a TGF so is capital-deprived).

He was told in no uncertain terms that once he had acquired extensions on the 800K deposit method he could not change ...

Thanks for clearing that up. Interesting to hear about the "grand-fathered" rule, it goes to show Thai immigration rules are fair and reasonable.
I was under the impression that when the amount shown has risen, then the rule apply's to all. Glad this is not the case.

Originally Posted by Patrick

The upcoming legislation is clearly designed to make sure that is not possible.

I asked my lawyer about this just an hour ago. He said his man at immigration will always be able to sort people out. Just needs more "admin fees" to be paid.

CCC. Extension for marriage was never 'grandfathered.'

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Australia does not have the ability to make the connection between someones old and new passport, let alone someone with 2 passports from different countries, contrary to what you have been insisting.

They definitely do have the ability to see that you hold dual passports. I think this happens in cases where individuals travel frequently and make full use of both passports.

They definitely do. I have been on two passports ( from Australia and another country) and hold permanent residency in two places. They can check everything out.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

I asked my lawyer about this just an hour ago. He said his man at immigration will always be able to sort people out. Just needs more "admin fees" to be paid.

And that will still work when 'his man' has been removed from immigration.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

I asked my lawyer about this just an hour ago. He said his man at immigration will always be able to sort people out. Just needs more "admin fees" to be paid.

I asked my mechanic the same question and got the same answer (in the form of a protracted belly laugh )

Originally Posted by charleyboy

CCC. Extension for marriage was never 'grandfathered.'

Only retirement!
Cheers for that, no i won't shoot the messenger.

Originally Posted by Flaming Carrot

They definitely do. I have been on two passports ( from Australia and another country) and hold permanent residency in two places. They can check everything out.

If your passport is lost while in country the immigration have no record of your new passport details.
So what happens when you come to leave the country?
My mate overstayed for 6 years and left on a newly issued British passport, no worries.

CCC

You have $$$$$$$$$$$$ anything can be done.

Marriage and retirement visas used to be 200k and 400k respectively, doubled in 2004.

Expect another sizable rise soon.

The article said that this hasn't happened yet, any news on when it's coming into action?

Originally Posted by Flaming Carrot

You have $$$$$$$$$$$$ anything can be done.

Yes, there are some countries where if you have money, you can do just about anything. Thailand and Mexico are two of the countries that I have spent a lot of time in that fall into this category. I am sure there are quite a few countries in the world that allows this type of circumventing certain regulations.

There are also some countries where this does not work so well. Even though all western countries are basically corrupt, few will allow illegal aliens knowingly stay outside the immigration's guidelines.

^^ A friend just got extension 2 days ago. He had to sign the form posted above.
No idea if anyone has been banned as per the new law.

What's smart is to take pictures of all your passport pages and keep them in your mobile. The record can be printed out. I do that and never carry my passports around, too much trouble to replace.

Originally Posted by Patrick

What a strange Post.

So strange it merits a capital P in fact. I'm honoured, Pat.

Originally Posted by Patrick

And how - exactly - is "that Overstay ..... easy to negate"?

You'll have to wait for the book, Patrick. Should I put you on the mailing list?

The problem inherent in this feared automatic ratcheting of the financial criteria to remain as a retiree or spouse is whether or not the Thai will appreciate its impact when one takes into account that since the 2004 increase the baht has risen in value against the £, the $ and the € quite substantially which added another 20% to the existing limits.

Certainly, many Brits will have a problem if, say, a combination of savings and income is not permitted in attaining the criteria if an increase of a further 50% in the limits is envisaged.

Would the Thai actually consider the consequences? Given current performance I doubt it very much. Retirees should consider their position carefully.

Ah well, one can only wait and see.

Originally Posted by thegent

Would the Thai actually consider the consequences? Given current performance I doubt it very much. Retirees should consider their position carefully.

Good post Gent - I for one would never retire here and made this very clear to the missus.

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

Originally Posted by Evilbaz

Originally Posted by Chittychangchang

I read a post somewhere about the increase in the 800k/400k deposited for 3 months.

Carn't find the post but it was from a guy who had been on a retirement visa in LOS for 25 years and the amount required to be deposited had risen from some silly amount like 120k baht at the start.
Anyone got any more info on this?

Haven't got a link for you as I don't read Thai but it is buried in the Thai Immi regulations on retirement.

Prior to 2004 the amount required for a retirement visa/extension was 200,000 baht.
In 2004 it was raised to 800,000 baht but all those previously qualified under the 200k rule were "grand-fathered" in and to date still only have to show 200k baht.

Logically ( cue loud laughter from the peanut gallery) if the requirement is raised those here already on retirement extensions would only have to satisfy their previous requirement standards.

Anecdotally, one Swiss gentleman I know, who finally eventually accepted that one could have a verified pension plus a make up balance to match 800k baht, (after denying for several years that an Antipodean could possibly know more than one of Germanic persuasion) went to Phuket Immi recently to pursue this path (he now has a TGF so is capital-deprived).

He was told in no uncertain terms that once he had acquired extensions on the 800K deposit method he could not change ...

Thanks for clearing that up. Interesting to hear about the "grand-fathered" rule, it goes to show Thai immigration rules are fair and reasonable.
I was under the impression that when the amount shown has risen, then the rule apply's to all. Glad this is not the case.

This is poor posting.

The relevant law, the actual act escapes me but I've referred to it elsewhere, has not been repealed and permits qualification for a retirement extension application through income, lump sum or a combination of both, currently set at a minimum of 800,000 annually.
This is in fact confirmed in the website of the Immigration Division in Chaengwattana in their FAQs menu.

This is the law. Anecdotal bumf is unhelpful.