^ sounding like reuters
^ sounding like reuters
it won't spiral out of control, it's the usual BS of "activists" and "believers"
look at the coup, they all went home crying to their mothers. Thais are cowards by nature, like most people are (even the tough talking Americans).
Taking Thaksin out of the picture is the only solution eventually. The guys is a hyena, does Thailand really needs another hyena in its political landscape ? one gone might not be enough but is still one gone, so it's progress right there.
So who are the brave butters??Originally Posted by Butterfly
Well, Most people don't take too kindly to having the person they support assassinated.
The Natural reaction is to hit back at the opposing side by capping one of theirs in
return or maybe kill two for good luck.
Thais ain't shy when it comes to killing so I say it would be a bad scene if Thaksin or anyone gets hit.
It will really step the game up.
Just my take on it.
The coup was always gonna happen, Norts, the head backer of the PAD/army, is in big big trouble if the lad takes over, and he's not the only one; not only is the massive wealth gonna be lost but likely his (and others of his ilk) life... It really is an all or nothing game for the PADite backers - they control the head sections of the army, but it was always gonna come down to how much of the army they could control... There will be massive, I mean like never before, corruption to placate the various generals as well as paying off the likes of suthep and the dems, other, that have made it possible - it's gonna be hugely expensive, and Thais/Thailand will suffer. The only way they can make it happen is to go nigh on Myanmaresque...Originally Posted by Norton
It's a very dangerous game indeed, and I can't see the junta/PADite backers winning it - their 'power' now is just so very tenuous...
As this junta is forced to go more and more extreme, as their discourse is highlighted as false time after time, I suspect they will be removed and things will ramp down, but the major issue sill hasn't been addressed and cannot be addressed in a way that's acceptable to all sides hence the current junta and their backers will lose - that has always been the case, but they were too high and mighty to understand it...
Cycling should be banned!!!
Untrue.Originally Posted by The Ghost Of The Moog
I have being saying that all along. It is the only course of action, as long as the QGs can control enough of the army to get away with it. I doubt they can, but they will be trying their hardest too...
We are talking about massive wealth here, Moog - thinks about Thaksins x 10 or x 100, and not having to pay tax, disclose earnings, disclose company info, etc... That kinda of wealth would be one of the greatest in the world, and it's not even visible...
Moog try Michael David selby search
if you have a proxy server you can get to the better info
Wouldn't like to guess if he's better (or worse) for Thailand as a dead martyr or a living clarion call, but for sure our glorious leaders would happily sacrifice a couple of their own in exchange for his scalp. Neither his legacy nor his following can be subdued while he breathes.
That said, and as you point out, nasty things can happen if they assassinate him, or if he falls down some stairs or gets struck by lightning. And Thai leaders don't have much of a reputation for considering the consequences of their actions.
Thanks for links etc.
Things hotting up here on the border [Lao] when it started, border troops, back to barracks, normal road blocks left up manned.
Now road blocks, with soldiers [Thai army] not local border guys, jungle villages getting visited by troops, houses/huts searched for weapons, many local lads still up in the jungle.
Things still peaceful, but tension is rising, local nutter got beat half to death at a check point.
Normally hear gun fire, hunting, but not a shot now, armies not winning hearts and minds.
It's only started, takes time to organize and if the people feel persecuted they will fight back.
Dark days ahead if it starts. Jim
Not that you need your past conclusions and commentary defended, Norton.
But I believe you were of a stronger [and logical] camp that suggested there certainly wasn't a need for a coup/not an intelligent action for those pulling the strings.....less suggesting a coup would not occur.
I too, was of the same circle. Even with the surface talk and whatnot.
Though, this one is different from memory.
There is a strange presence about this latest turn of events.
A strange presence,Originally Posted by Rural Surin
a strange desperation,
a strange "newness"
a strange feeling that they cannot control everything, cannot control time, cannot control discourse any longer...
Norton is a pretty good poster, mate - maybe that's our middle ground???Originally Posted by terry57
Army, Police Successfully Neutralize Blank Sheet Of A4 Paper
2 Jun 2014
RAJPRASONG – A large-scale, coordinated military and police effort was credited on Sunday with the successful containment and suppression of a single blank sheet of A4 copy paper.
The paper, which measured 8.5 by 11 inches, was apprehended by soldiers at the corner of Phayathai and Rathawithi roads in the Victory Monument area of Bangkok at 3:47pm on Sunday, and subsequently charged with sedition and violation of orders from the National Council for Peace and Order (NCPO).
“We are pleased with the results of our peacekeeping operations,” said NCPO head General Prayuth Chan-Ocha. “This sheet of paper needed to be stopped, and our forces did their duty.”
Over 1000 armed men were able to contain a rogue A4 paper. Inset: The offending blank sheet.
Over 1000 armed men were able to contain a rogue A4 paper. Inset: The offending blank sheet.
Rumors of the possible illegal assembly of blank pieces of paper spread on social media over the weekend, leading up to the massive response by army troops and police brigades. As of 10am Sunday, no fewer than 600 soldiers and 450 riot-armed policemen, supported by 50 vehicles, were present at key locations throughout the capital, including Victory Monument, Democracy Monument, Rajprasong, Lumpini Park, and a dozen large shopping malls.
Statements on Thai television by the NCPO had specifically banned the gathering of more than 5 sheets of blank A4 paper, and threatened lengthy jail terms for any paper bearing messages that were contradictory to national unity.
By 1pm, no paper had showed up at the monitored protest sites, leading to a reduction in security forces and the re-opening of key streets in the areas.
However, at approximately 3:45pm, a person standing in front of Ratchawithi Hospital held up a blank sheet of paper in front of soldiers and reporters, in a symbolic protest against the coup and military rule. The paper was quickly surrounded, subdued, and taken away in a police van.
Photographs of the paper indicated that it was blank, white, and probably from a ream of standard 70-gram photocopy/laser printer office paper. Its brand was not immediately identified.
A statement from police said only that the paper was being examined, questioned, and would be released or charged in accordance with the law. A later comment from the NCPO indicated that the sheet would be tried in martial court for violating army orders and inciting disorder.
Human Rights Watch has issued a statement condemning the arrest and demanding that the A4 sheet is permitted legal representation, and declaring that the current Thai environment violates “ the fundamental rights of paper, printed or blank.”
Social media in Thailand has been divided on the issue, with anti-coup netizens calling for a massive show of blank paper at flash mobs throughout the city on Tuesday, while supporters of the coup have called for the paper to be cut in half, or even shredded. Many claimed that the sheet of paper was of foreign origin.
Blank sheets of paper threaten Thailand's order online and in the streets.
Blank sheets of paper threaten Thailand’s order online and in the streets.
One group on Facebook calling itself the Thai Patriots Network Under The King even went so far as to call for a blanket boycott of all paper in A4 size, suggesting that “True Thais should only use A3 or A5 in their offices and homes, and make sure that it is pre-printed with statements that support our sacred institutions.”
According to social commentator Sulak Sivaraska, the hostility towards blank sheets of paper is not surprising given the current political and cultural environment.
“Blank paper is, in many ways, more threatening to the conservative Thai than one printed with an aggressive statement,” he said. “The creative possibilities inherent in a blank paper, its invitation to think, wonder, and imagine without constraints or pre-conditions, is anathema to the ruling mythologies of forced unity.”
“One could say that any paper that doesn’t have some logo on it, corporate or cultural, causes dissonance to the Thai mind,” he added.
The NCPO remains firm in its position that it acted in the interest of national security, stating in a press release that “The massive deployment of armed troops is entirely necessary to subdue this kind of counter-patriotic aggression.”
“While we are working towards a future environment where all kinds of paper and paper products are welcome, the roadmap to this environment requires a temporary zero-paper policy.”
Not the Nation » Army, Police Successfully Neutralize Blank Sheet Of A4 Paper
"Amnesty International WILL NOT campaign against Thai junta repression because their regional HQ and staff are in Bangkok." @andrewspooner
You gotta wonder about the choices people are making with so much invested here in different forms.
well, if we are to believe the Red and Democracy activists, it has nothing to do with Thaksin, so killing him won't have any impact, at least if we are to believe our Reds heroes.Originally Posted by terry57
again, what's wrong with killing a known tyrant in the name of Democracy ? I didn't agree with Iraq illegal invasion and Libya illegal bombing but was glad to see 2 tyrants gone in the process.
if anything from the coup could be positive, it will be the physical removal of Thaksin once and for all. The peasants will just need to find another a leader to represent their interests.
Thai Democracy at work.
Last edited by Butterfly; 03-06-2014 at 08:52 PM.
Seems your the only one that thinks he's a tyrant no google search says he's a tyrant
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