Thread: Coup 2014 !!!! : Military 'takes control' in Thailand

Originally Posted by 9999

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

Just think, if between them they had put the farmers first and got the loans out, how much that would have benefited Thais in need; but no political gain there...

Can't disagree there. The govt. made a shitty promise for political gain. They failed and couldn't get funding. The first move the military makes is to pay the farmers because their hands are not tied as with the govt.

But how can you try deflect from your side and paint the army in the light you have? If they didnt pay the farmers and cited the reason as they do not wish to act for political gain what is your reaction?

Stop nitpicking at every move as some conspiracy against the plight of the people and the reds. It was a good move and the only move. You would have them not pay the farmers???

So why didn't the army just tell the banks to cough up for the elected government if it is now so important to them?

The junta is now attempting to buy creedance, which was the charge against the government

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

You are all nuts if you think that a faulty rice guarantee scheme - no different to the many similar schemes for dairy, wheat or others in Western countries - is a warrant for a right-wing coup d'etat. You are seriously off you f'ing nuts. But of course you are just grasping at straws..

I don't think that a single person has said it is.

Originally Posted by Dandyhole

So why didn't the army just tell the banks to cough up for the elected government if it is now so important to them?

It's wasn't important to them. It has gotten to the point where they are forced to step in and govern the nation. Not a good situation and regardless of whether or not the army are justified in the coup, I don't see how them making good as soon as they are in a position to do so is condemned.

What, are you saying the army should have marched in in a state of normal governance and demanded at gun point that the banks loan money they will likely never see, to a corrupt government???

I'm not convinced the junta's decision to pay the farmers is entirely altruistic. I'd be very surprised if there is no political ulterior motive behind it.

That the opportunity to score some brownie points was handed to them on a plate, however, is something that the ousted government is at fault for. The opportunity has been gift-wrapped for the army, they'd be fucking nuts not to take it.

Originally Posted by Bettyboo

The army are not a politically independent group who just happen, by luck, to have made that call...

I dont get your point. You are saying the army has a political agenda and therefore is in the wrong for paying the farmers? I dont get where you are going with this, or why you use the paying of the farmers to try expose the army's hidden agenda.

I'm not convinced the junta's decision to pay the farmers is entirely altruistic. I'd be very surprised if there is no political ulterior motive behind it.

I don't think there was any other choice. It has been positioned as such that as soon as the reds got out of govt the farmers get paid. This is no reason to accost the army and their political agenda. The reds were simply outplayed.

Originally Posted by Moonraker

I'm not convinced the junta's decision to pay the farmers is entirely altruistic. I'd be very surprised if there is no political ulterior motive behind it.

That the opportunity to score some brownie points was handed to them on a plate, however, is something that the ousted government is at fault for. The opportunity has been gift-wrapped for the army, they'd be fucking nuts not to take it.

Hey guess what. General Big Hat will somehow magically find the money - you can bet on that, while the elected legal government operating within the legal confines of a legitimately democratically elected constitutional government was hamstrung deliberately by the so-called "independent institutions" from the get-go -- and you KNOW IT

^^ Since 2006, the army has been trying to get rid of PT; they have conducted 2 coups, changed the laws and appointed judiciary to convict Thaksin, they have attacked PT supporters, and they have at every turn supported the PAD demonstrations even when they took over the airport, government complexes, etc. They have appointed a senate to make sure that an elected government does not have ultimate power, and they've also changed the constitution to empower themselves. Everything the PADites and dems did was aligned with the army, CC, EC and NACC; it was a group effort.

Yes, the army has a political agenda. You do know that right? You have read up about the history of Thailand since the 1930s and the army's role in governing the country during that time; the army's political role...

No, the army is not wrong to pay the farmers a.s.a.p.

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

Originally Posted by Moonraker

I'm not convinced the junta's decision to pay the farmers is entirely altruistic. I'd be very surprised if there is no political ulterior motive behind it.

That the opportunity to score some brownie points was handed to them on a plate, however, is something that the ousted government is at fault for. The opportunity has been gift-wrapped for the army, they'd be fucking nuts not to take it.

Hey guess what. General Big Hat will somehow magically find the money - you can bet on that, while the elected legal government operating within the legal confines of a legitimately democratically elected constitutional government was hamstrung deliberately by the so-called "independent institutions" from the get-go -- and you KNOW IT

So you're still ignoring that the then government should have been able to pay the farmers without the need for the loans that were refused. Convenient.

Government: Hey, farmers... Give us your rice and we'll give you lots of money for it.
Farmers: OK then, here you go.

Farmers: can we have our money yet?
Government: No

Farmers: Can we have our money yet?
Government: No

Farmers: can we have our money yet?
Government: No

Farmers: Can we have our money yet?
Government: No

Farmers: can we have our money yet?
Government: No

Farmers: Can we have our money yet?
Government: No

Farmers: We need our money
Government: We don't have it

Farmers: Where's our money?
Government: We don't have it

Farmers: We need our money now, we are not happy
Government: Hold on, hold on.

Government: Can we borrow some money please? We promised to give some to the farmers but we don't have it because we're crap and greedy
Court: No!
Government: OH MY GOD. IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT, WE'RE BEING PERSECUTED!

Prayuth seems to of changed what he originally said.

He said he was going to pay them in 15 to 20 days, and now has changed and said he will try and find the money.

Originally Posted by Moonraker

I'm not convinced the junta's decision to pay the farmers is entirely altruistic. I'd be very surprised if there is no political ulterior motive behind it.

That the opportunity to score some brownie points was handed to them on a plate, however, is something that the ousted government is at fault for. The opportunity has been gift-wrapped for the army, they'd be fucking nuts not to take it.

You may find they could of got the money, then they became the caretaker govt and then the establishment stopped them in there tracks.

Originally Posted by Moonraker

Government: Hey, farmers... Give us your rice and we'll give you lots of money for it.
Farmers: OK then, here you go.

Farmers: can we have our money yet?
Government: No

Farmers: Can we have our money yet?
Government: No

Farmers: can we have our money yet?
Government: No

Farmers: Can we have our money yet?
Government: No

Farmers: can we have our money yet?
Government: No

Farmers: Can we have our money yet?
Government: No

Farmers: We need our money
Government: We don't have it

Farmers: Where's our money?
Government: We don't have it

Farmers: We need our money now, we are not happy
Government: Hold on, hold on.

Government: Can we borrow some money please? We promised to give some to the farmers but we don't have it because we're crap and greedy
Court: No!
Government: OH MY GOD. IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT, WE'RE BEING PERSECUTED!

Originally Posted by Yasojack

You may find they could of got the money, then they became the caretaker govt and then the establishment stopped them in there tracks.

They were supposed to get the money by selling the bloody rice!

Originally Posted by Moonraker

So you're still ignoring that the then government should have been able to pay the farmers without the need for the loans that were refused. Convenient.

No. You're ignoring the fact that the money available within government was refused by the EC as were loans. Convenient. (dickhead)

Originally Posted by Moonraker

They were supposed to get the money by selling the bloody rice!

They did sell the rice

They already took the money.

Grand larceny

Most of those farmers know who was screwing them.. and they know it wasn't the PTP or Yingluck.

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

Originally Posted by Moonraker

I'm not convinced the junta's decision to pay the farmers is entirely altruistic. I'd be very surprised if there is no political ulterior motive behind it.

That the opportunity to score some brownie points was handed to them on a plate, however, is something that the ousted government is at fault for. The opportunity has been gift-wrapped for the army, they'd be fucking nuts not to take it.

Hey guess what. General Big Hat will somehow magically find the money - you can bet on that, while the elected legal government operating within the legal confines of a legitimately democratically elected constitutional government was hamstrung deliberately by the so-called "independent institutions" from the get-go -- and you KNOW IT

But the democratically-elected constitutional government wasn't quite so angelic, not if its officials were trousering the cashflows.

Originally Posted by Albert Shagnastier

Originally Posted by Moonraker

They were supposed to get the money by selling the bloody rice!

They did sell the rice

They already took the money.

Did they? You seem confused, The government bought the rice at a higher price by promise note, stored it hoping, to drive up the price and pay back the Note later. Prices went south, the government coulnt recover the costs to pay - the establishment's fake "independent" agencies marched to the orders of their Amart bosses and not one satang was fothcoming. The call for election as a caretaker government hobbled the popular administration the rest is history - and YOU KNOW THAT TOO

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

The government bought the rice at a higher price by promise note, stored it hoping, to drive up the price and pay back the Note later. Prices went south, the government coulnt recover the costs to pay

So then you admit that the fucked up?

Ah, so refreshing - feels like back on Thai Visa again.

OK hands up, why in your little distopian view, was a coup necessary?

This should be interesting

Ye and what happened at the Auctions etc.?

Originally Posted by Moonraker

Originally Posted by Yasojack

You may find they could of got the money, then they became the caretaker govt and then the establishment stopped them in there tracks.

They were supposed to get the money by selling the bloody rice!

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

Most of those farmers know who was screwing them.. and they know it wasn't the PTP or Yingluck.

How some farang can be so stupid is really beyond comprehension.

The rice scam led these daft, gullible farmers to believe that they would get more than the bloody rice was worth. On that basis they borrowed on account. They are insolvent and once they do get what they were promised, and that is unlikely for many, that will be it. Henceforth it's going to be the market rate less the rake-off from the middlemen downstream and that won't be sufficient to sustain a family with aspirations. Land will be sold off and inevitably the price will fall.

Those cretinous farang buying their whores a big face house on land at the rate of 200,000 bt a rai in Nakhon Nowhere are truly wasting their dosh.

Ah well.

Originally Posted by nidhogg

Originally Posted by Tom Sawyer

Originally Posted by nidhogg

See elsewhere that HM will endore the coup tomorrow.......

Yeah. It's called the "Bangkok Post"

Jeeze Tom. At leats TRY to keep up.

Actually, I saw it on ThaiV, but I try not to link to there.

Point is, which ever pair of glasses you are wearing, approval is a pretty fucking big deal. HM crushed and humiliated a coup leader before, suchinda if memory serves.

I do not so much mind your red spectacles, it is your ignorance that irks.

Yes dear - noted. However this has been on the Bangkok Post site for some time - so no need to quote 'sources' - and yes, of course, we all know what endorsement means. Unfortunately we all know what that means.