Thread: Thaksin: Let's forgive and forget

Well, what sort of nutcase would actually want to replace the current bullshit, with Suthep's 'utopian' vision? Not somebody that likes Thailand. The 'fabric' of this nation resembles a cheap Pampers now, which certainly did not used to be the case.

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Already problems with inward investment. Should suthep or like take power, it is game over. Down the third world route. Thailand has been doing very well but this could break her.

Originally Posted by BaitongBoy

Originally Posted by sabang

Thailand is only going backwards. Time for people to grow up, and deal with things the way they are- not some concocted fantasy of feudal Siam, only clung to by a deluded Bangkok Upper/ Middle class element, and their rubes. Here we have a country with considerable momentum being held back, economically wounded, and humiliated on the world stage by the anachronisms and bigotry of a few. I do not think the hardcore suthepians care about Thailand or it's people, one whit.

Good idea, but Butternut can't see any of it...

What utter rot some folk here spout.

Nothing is holding Thailand back. The fact that a failed democracy has had no effect upon its economy surely must be evidence enough to demonstrate to even the most blinkered farang nitwit that democracy is quite irrelevant here and certainly it's politics are of little concern to business folk. Irrespective of which cabal wins elections the same group of families will continue to own the country and the status quo will persist, founded upon the bedrock of endemic corruption, cronyism and graft.

True democracy would kill this country stone dead.

Originally Posted by thegent

What utter rot some folk here spout.

I couldn't agree more.

Nothing is holding Thailand back.

In December the Economist forecast GDP to grow by 4.7%. Four months of Suthep's antics have seen that figure halved.

Another four months and Thailand will be in recession. This country does have problems but chasing around like a headless chicken yelling "we're all doomed" sends totally the wrong message to business.

Originally Posted by thegent

democracy is quite irrelevant here

Originally Posted by thegent

True democracy would kill this country stone dead

What a weird opinion. Democracy brings wealth (for many reasons, would need full post). Compare economic performance of democratic countries in area: South Korea, Japan, Taiwan. With Burma, Laos etc.

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

Actually the "3000" figure comes from total of 2600 deaths in the country overall during said years including road accidents etc. Whatever, war on drugs was highly effective and it was supported by the highest... as well as the people. From legal point of view, can't see how it could be blamed on single person.

If you think it's ok to murder just under 3000 people without trial then your opinion is worthless.

Did I say it is ok to murder 3000 people? Perhaps you should read my post first.

Originally Posted by Mr Lick

I think if he just walked away from politics his wish for the people of Thailand would be accomplished.

So true and if he loved the people of Thailand as he professes he should do so.

Having said that there is wrong on both sides and a few people from the democrats should also hang up their political boots.

Originally Posted by Loy Toy

Having said that there is wrong on both sides

That I call balanced opinion much lacking here and wish more people would agree to that.

Originally Posted by Mid

"In every country plagued by conflicts, people try to avoid inciting hatred using false information. They don't want the repeat of what happened in Rwanda, when two radio DJs whipped up malice between two tribes.

Eventually, genocide led to 800,000 deaths. The DJs were sentenced to life in prison. What they did achieved nothing except mountains of bodies.

Does this mean that he will stop funding his mouth piece radio and tv shows in the boondocks then,or is he really saying that only his should be allowed to remain with no dissent.

^^ Very few, if any, support Suthep or the Democrat Party on TD. What is clear is that many are opposed to the shenanigans of Mr T and his party members.

If that is seen as a slight imbalance then members of Thaivisa have assumed a position similar to that of the Costa Concordia.

Originally Posted by Mr Lick

^^ Very few, if any, support Suthep or the Democrat Party on TD. What is clear is that many are opposed to the shenanigans of Mr T and his party members.

I guess those who support Democrat party are the loudest then. I started following every news site including TD when I left Thailand for Christmas - I wanted to know what is going on when I return. It was lively conversation back then.

I see many people here are very much aligned to one side or another. I rather go with democracy as I feel it brings people the best opportunities.

Actually it makes me angry to hear f.ng racist comments here like Thais and Asians are monkeys incapable of thinking, yeah that is what Adolf H would say. For that - spreading racist hate - you could be shut down in US or UK. Something for the admins to think about.

Originally Posted by Mr Lick

Very few, if any, support Suthep or the Democrat Party on TD. What is clear is that many are opposed to the shenanigans of Mr T and his party members.

A viable alternative then. Whom?

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

I rather go with democracy as I feel it brings people the best opportunities.

But there is no democracy in Thailand. So what to do?

Originally Posted by thegent

Nothing is holding Thailand back. The fact that a failed democracy has had no effect upon its economy surely must be evidence enough to demonstrate to even the most blinkered farang nitwit that democracy is quite irrelevant here and certainly it's politics are of little concern to business folk. Irrespective of which cabal wins elections the same group of families will continue to own the country and the status quo will persist, founded upon the bedrock of endemic corruption, cronyism and graft.

True democracy would kill this country stone dead.

quite accurate, thegent. Some here are just drinking the kool-aid and a bit too junior regarding politics to make good judgment of the situation.

Originally Posted by sabang

Well, what sort of nutcase would actually want to replace the current bullshit, with Suthep's 'utopian' vision? Not somebody that likes Thailand. The 'fabric' of this nation resembles a cheap Pampers now, which certainly did not used to be the case.

could a coup be an acceptable exit strategy ? a few years without election could teach a lesson to those Thai politicians. Oh wait, we tried that already in the 90s and the fuckers still didn't learn.

Here lies the problem, Thai don't learn new tricks once they have one.

The Thais have to decide for themselves on the best way forward, which might or not include forgive and forget or a quiet assassination, or a few.

Suspension of even the laughable Thai version of democracy in favour of anarchy can only lead to further unrest, and as that increases it takes little more than the wrong person saying or doing the wrong thing to escalate the situation out of all proportion.

Unfortunately, they can't think past the next meal.

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by Mr Lick

Very few, if any, support Suthep or the Democrat Party on TD. What is clear is that many are opposed to the shenanigans of Mr T and his party members.

A viable alternative then. Whom?

An immediate alternative is out of the question. Even in Europe there are cries of political reform.

Doing the same things over and over again with a 2 party system is simply bonkers. The main parties have control and don't wish to change the status quo.

What is required is for the electorate to have a say in how their country is run and how power is distributed. I don't profess to like the power word, as the government are actually servants of the people.

Much as I dislike Suthep, his request/demand for political reform is a way forward out of the current nonsense. However, I do not see politicians as having an input into necessary changes although it may be difficult to find anybody of worth who is not affiliated to one side or the other.

The people need to agree with important alternative legislation which hopefully will include suspension and resignations of government employees who are caught with their fingers in the till. Electoral fraud is a great problem here and the people must wise up if they really want democracy. Chants of 'respect my vote' and 'democratic rule' unfortunately fall on deaf ears for those of us who know better.

If the people decide that such proposals are not necessary then let them fall on their swords. I fear nothing much will change in my lifetime.

Originally Posted by Mr Lick

Much as I dislike Suthep, his request/demand for political reform is a way forward out of the current nonsense.

Good greif , using violence to disrupt elections is a way forward ?

Originally Posted by Mr Lick

An immediate alternative is out of the question. Even in Europe there are cries of political reform. Doing the same things over and over again with a 2 party system is simply bonkers. The main parties have control and don't wish to change the status quo. What is required is for the electorate to have a say in how their country is run and how power is distributed. I don't profess to like the power word, as the government are actually servants of the people. Much as I dislike Suthep, his request/demand for political reform is a way forward out of the current nonsense. However, I do not see politicians as having an input into necessary changes although it may be difficult to find anybody of worth who is not affiliated to one side or the other. The people need to agree with important alternative legislation which hopefully will include suspension and resignations of government employees who are caught with their fingers in the till. Electoral fraud is a great problem here and the people must wise up if they really want democracy. Chants of 'respect my vote' and 'democratic rule' unfortunately fall on deaf ears for those of us who know better. If the people decide that such proposals are not necessary then let them fall on their swords. I fear nothing much will change in my lifetime.

Good post.

Originally Posted by Mid

Good greif , using violence to disrupt elections is a way forward ?

Been very little violence and destruction from Suthep and his mob - nothing like the reds before to be honest. Now that the reds know they've been srewed by Thaksin over the rice and car schemes - 80% of them won't back him any more. That's why no reds have come to Bangkok I reckon - not many willing to die for the family that smiled in their faces while robbing them at the same time.

Yingluck has to go, and reforms need to be put in place. Chance of this happening? your guess is as good as mine.

Originally Posted by Gilbert

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

I rather go with democracy as I feel it brings people the best opportunities.

But there is no democracy in Thailand. So what to do?

I think there is democracy, and understanding of it, in Thailand, but it gets suspended over and over again by military intervention. See photos and vids of courageous people struggling to vote facing fascist mobs, shot and beaten.

We all know what is going on do we not? Some things can not be said. Parliament is required to make the decision if things are going to be done legally and you must control the House. Judical coup. Unelected senators. Military/Police fight.

It could be easier, but I chose to live here and have made my bed.

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

80% of them won't back him any more

Then why are the democrats boycotting elections? PT, unpalatable though they may be, are still a considerably more desirable alternative to the average thai voter than mark or (shudder) suthep.

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

Originally Posted by Gilbert

Originally Posted by Exit Strategy

I rather go with democracy as I feel it brings people the best opportunities.

But there is no democracy in Thailand. So what to do?

I think there is democracy, and understanding of it, in Thailand, but it gets suspended over and over again by military intervention. See photos and vids of courageous people struggling to vote facing fascist mobs, shot and beaten.

We all know what is going on do we not? Some things can not be said. Parliament is required to make the decision if things are going to be done legally and you must control the House. Judical coup. Unelected senators. Military/Police fight.

It could be easier, but I chose to live here and have made my bed.

Err, you're a farang. You can't vote, you have no residence rights, you cannot own land and you probably can't speak the language beyond the usual limited vocabulary. You have nothing in common with Thai men or their society and your interaction with the women is doubtless on the level most Thai would have with their servants. Accept it, you're no more than a fucking tourist whose only distinction is that you may have memorised the menu.