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    With the European call for Thailand to set an agenda for fresh elections, I just wonder how many countries would recognise a new unelected government.

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    She was well known for being taksins pretty sister, thats all.

    After university she was a salesgirl selling telephone directories for one of his businesses, she has never done anything outside of the family.

    She is the kim kardashian of thai politics.

    She is useless. She is taksins proxy. There will be no peace in the country until that despicable family are out of the picture. They have overstayed their welcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    She was well known for being taksins pretty sister, thats all.

    After university she was a salesgirl selling telephone directories for one of his businesses, she has never done anything outside of the family.

    She is the kim kardashian of thai politics.

    She is useless. She is taksins proxy.
    Oh I agree with you entirely.

    The problem is that the Democrat party run by Abhisit and Suthep cannot think of any legitimate strategy to beat such a feeble incompetent Prime Minister. What does that make them? You want Abbott and Costello to run Thailand?

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    No, the country needs a fresh start. Year zero. Back to the drawing board.

    Keep the thugs of both sides out of it.

    Kick out the shinawats, imprison the ringleaders and trouble makers on both sides, corrupt high level cops and judges too, as an example to wannabe upstarts waiting in the wings, with televised trials replacing the evening soap operas, long sentences, heavy fines, banishments, total public humiliation.

    Then start on low level corruption, the nosepicking civil servants, ball scratching street cops and the snivelling dogsbodies that cream off from public contracts.

    The people will lap it up and shit their pants simultaneously.

    The army to take control for a year or so until new properly run hustings and elections can take place.

    Bingo. First world thailand. Aseans star.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thormaturge
    You want Abbott and Costello to run Thailand?

    It's a wee bit like a daily comedy sketch here already so maybe a few experienced professionals should be drafted in to take over.

    In her short tenure Yingluck has visited more than 40 different countries in an official capacity, one of which was a car rally .

    Yes, what she is famous for is having spent more time dodging Parliament than any other PM in political history.

    ''Despite being chairperson of the rice committee, Yingluck admitted in the 2013 Censure debate against her government, that she had never attended meetings of the National Rice Policy Committee although she is the chairwoman''

    ''Yingluck's bank account was among 86 bank accounts that the Abhisit government accused of being used to fund Red Shirt protesters during their demonstrations in 2010. Abhisit accused the Red Shirts of trying to overthrow the monarchy. However, the government did not pursue any legal case against her. The Department for Special Investigation found that from 28 April 2009 to May 2010, 150 million baht was deposited into one of her accounts while 166 million baht was withdrawn. On 28 April 2010 alone, 144 million baht was withdrawn.''

    Need we go on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    No, the country needs a fresh start. Year zero.
    It's called the Stone Age. The rest of ASEAN is moving forward.

    Keep the thugs of both sides out of it.
    I doubt Suthep would agree to that. Have you seen his motorcade? The one he uses to avoid arrest.

    Kick out the shinawats, imprison the ringleaders and trouble makers on both sides,
    what a jolly idea, so who has Suthep named on the Democrat side that he wants to purge Thailand of?

    corrupt high level cops and judges too, as an example to wannabe upstarts waiting in the wings, with televised trials replacing the evening soap operas, long sentences, heavy fines, banishments, total public humiliation.
    Now you're talking. of course this means increasing salaries of police and civil servants to compensate for the lost income; you do agree to that, yes? The money currently spent on the rice pledging scheme will pale into insignificance, so where do you suggest it comes from?

    Then start on low level corruption, the nosepicking civil servants, ball scratching street cops and the snivelling dogsbodies that cream off from public contracts.
    What, the entire country?

    The people will lap it up and shit their pants simultaneously.
    No they won't, they will be grateful for their turn at the trough.

    The army to take control for a year or so
    Quite possible if Yingluck is impeached, but primarily to prevent Suthep gaining control of anything.

    until new properly run hustings and elections can take place.
    This is Thailand, not the USA.

    Bingo. First world thailand. Aseans star.
    Not without a better level of general education.
    I see fish. They are everywhere. They don't know they are fish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thormaturge

    what a jolly idea, so who has Suthep named on the Democrat side that he wants to purge Thailand of?
    Ouch

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mid View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Thormaturge

    what a jolly idea, so who has Suthep named on the Democrat side that he wants to purge Thailand of?
    Ouch
    Nothing to do with suthep, or the even more execrable reds.

    The country is ungovernable, its like an out of control classroom.

    Only the army is big enough for the job of rebooting thailand.

    They should have done it three months ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile

    Nothing to do with suthep, or the even more execrable reds.
    Nah , after all they are just the two main players ...................

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    The country is ungovernable, its like an out of control classroom.
    I agree totally and it isn't going to change. If anything the business and legal system here is a mess and often works through low-level "rewards". Take those away and you will have gridlock.

    Thankfully Thailand has an agricultural base and is attractive to tourists so, however corrupt and stupid the politicians are,the place continues to thrive. If Thailand was a first-world industrial nation, relying on importing-processing-exporting, it's finances would be crippled by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    No, the country needs a fresh start. Year zero. Back to the drawing board.

    Keep the thugs of both sides out of it.

    Kick out the shinawats, imprison the ringleaders and trouble makers on both sides, corrupt high level cops and judges too, as an example to wannabe upstarts waiting in the wings, with televised trials replacing the evening soap operas, long sentences, heavy fines, banishments, total public humiliation.

    Then start on low level corruption, the nosepicking civil servants, ball scratching street cops and the snivelling dogsbodies that cream off from public contracts.

    The people will lap it up and shit their pants simultaneously.

    The army to take control for a year or so until new properly run hustings and elections can take place.

    Bingo. First world thailand. Aseans star.
    You sound as brainwashed as the Thai sheep trotting along behind Suthep. Neither Suthep nor his backers, nor their thugs in uniform, have any intention of giving Thailand a 'fresh start'. They sure don't have any plans to get rid of corruption or the 'nosepicking' civil servants who make it all happen and enrich the well-connected upper members of Thai society.

    Suthep's backers want to roll the clock back to the days of Sarit and the height of authoritarian rule (and unopposed raiding of the treasury for exclusive use of their own families). Thailand is one big mafia and there will never be a 'fresh start' until the patronage system in its present form is dismantled. Short of a revolution (something the reds aren't capable of) I don't see that happening for at least another generation or two.
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    Yawn. No need for Suthep to have any more offensives. He's offensive enough as it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bangyai
    Neither Suthep nor his backers, nor their thugs in uniform, have any intention of giving Thailand a 'fresh start'.
    Obviously not. How bad a bloodbath this becomes is yet to be determined, but I know exactly who the winners will be. It's inevitable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile
    Only the army is big enough for the job of rebooting thailand.
    You repeat this endlessly, like a Hare Kkrishna muttering his maha mantra, but whenever you are asked why it is that during their several decades in power and after their almost two-score coups all they have ever done is steal everything they can and slaughter those who threatened them, you reply only with a deafening silence? Where does your child-like faith in the army come from? It certainly has no basis in reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile
    She is the kim kardashian of thai politics.
    good one and so true

    Quote Originally Posted by Thormaturge
    The problem is that the Democrat party run by Abhisit and Suthep cannot think of any legitimate strategy to beat such a feeble incompetent Prime Minister. What does that make them?
    getting rid of a mafia style family business takes a lot of political capital. Ask the Italians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile View Post
    No, the country needs a fresh start. Year zero. Back to the drawing board.

    Keep the thugs of both sides out of it.

    Kick out the shinawats, imprison the ringleaders and trouble makers on both sides, corrupt high level cops and judges too, as an example to wannabe upstarts waiting in the wings, with televised trials replacing the evening soap operas, long sentences, heavy fines, banishments, total public humiliation.

    Then start on low level corruption, the nosepicking civil servants, ball scratching street cops and the snivelling dogsbodies that cream off from public contracts.

    The people will lap it up and shit their pants simultaneously.

    The army to take control for a year or so until new properly run hustings and elections can take place.

    Bingo. First world thailand. Aseans star.
    What he said!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrB0b View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile
    Only the army is big enough for the job of rebooting thailand.
    You repeat this endlessly, like a Hare Kkrishna muttering his maha mantra, but whenever you are asked why it is that during their several decades in power and after their almost two-score coups all they have ever done is steal everything they can and slaughter those who threatened them, you reply only with a deafening silence? Where does your child-like faith in the army come from? It certainly has no basis in reality.
    Silence...

    As Dr.B says, the folks who claim the army to be the ones to bring us out of this mess appear to have a complete lack of contemporary knowledge, as well as utter denial of Thai contemporary history...
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    who else is going to steer the country?

    suthep? yingluck? a committee of 12 just men?

    somebody needs to take control.

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    That is a good question, and I don't know the answer.

    I do know that the army are the problem and have been for 80+ years. I prefer the iterative improvement method where accountability and transparency are introduced into the judiciary, civil service and all governance. It goes without saying that the army refuses ny kind of transparency or accountability...

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile

    who else is going to steer the country?
    the elected representives .

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    they have always proven themselves to be incapable of doing anything else but lining their own pockets at the electorates expense.

    transparency, honesty and trustworthiness are just not part of the mindset of the alpha types that seek office here.

    those in office line their pockets, those excluded from office get annoyed because they are not able to feed at the trough. it is an endless cycle.

    heads need to roll, examples need to be set, prospective politicians need to be made fearful of the consequences of dishonesty. they need to understand the meaning of "to serve the people", and be aware of what might happen to them if they abuse their position.

    it must start with the politicians and rapidly filter down through the police, civil service and army.

    but it is an impossible task.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabang View Post
    Well the red shirts have been building up slowly, but steadily. They have managed to keep a lid on their extremists so far, but their fuse is noticeably getting short. The death spiral may be starting now- the worse one side gets, the worse the other responds. Not looking good for Thailand at all.

    One silver lining- most of the illicit arms, on both sides, are in and around bangkok now.

    In Bangkok today, was told by someone very well connected to the PDRC, one of there inside informants in the red shirt camp says Thaksin is upping the anty, money wise substantialy, they are expecting some big problems at Lumpini on the fifth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65
    told by someone very well connected to the PDRC
    Ex SAS or Seal?

    Bollocks.



    Quote Originally Posted by RPETER65
    they are expecting some big problems at Lumpini on the fifth.
    As above (unless it's paid mercenary intervention creating trouble and killing regular folks as per usual)

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    Quote Originally Posted by taxexile
    it must start with the politicians and rapidly filter down through the police, civil service and army.
    No, it must start at the head of the patronage system - the PC, army, bluebloods, etc...

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    I'm starting to think Suthep is going to be thrown to the dogs.

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