Thread: Rice farmers to protest against government

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by Ratchaburi

most of the real farmers, started to get ready to plant there crops on Sunday

what a dishonest little Thaksinite you make,

how are they going to plant when they have no money to buy the seeds,

those farang Red Thaksin supporters are completely delusional,

Here we go again, in my area they have been payed or last years crop.
my factory is in the middle of rice fields, the people who work for me are real rice farmers.
So BF go & on a stool in the corner with Wongway who know fvck all about real rice farmers.

Ratch, "in your area"....
What about outside "your area"?

Don't you think that if there was not a problem of epic proportions here the Govt. could easily trundle out reports, accounts and audits to show that?

Originally Posted by Ratchaburi

Originally Posted by longway

Originally Posted by Ratchaburi

most of the real farmers, started to get ready to plant there crops on Sunday

Obviously not, they cant plant their 2nd crop until they get paid for their first. Of course this will mean a rice shortage and thailand importing rice perhaps.

unless people want to eat moldy old rice from 2 years ago.

well the real farmer are planting rice there 1st crop for the year, so they plant 3 crops in my area.
Wongway they have been payed in my area,so Wongway you don't know any thing, about the rice farmers do you.

Umm nitwitburi, the government themselves say they owe about 130 billion baht to the farmers, you dozy tart.

You are off message you should be blaming the amart for them not being paid. Theres always one little red shirt more lost than the rest isn't there?

I don't see what all the fuss is about, the gov took a 17bn GSB loan for some breathing space on the rice pledge, and by the time the money has to be repaid it'll be the headache of another gov.

Unfortunately this is a constant headache of govs that succeed govs with populist policies, but I guess that's compensated by actually managing to slither into power.

Originally Posted by S Landreth

Thaksin’s critics accuse his family of using taxpayers’ money to buy the support of rural voters through populist policies.

Yes indeed. Kinda the way it works in any country that has a vote. To win a popular election best to have populist policy. And surprise, surprise guess who pays for populist policies. The taxpayers you say! You are a winner. Go collect some toffies and your official TeakDoor amulet at a 7/11 near you.

Yingluck summoned on rice scheme corruption charges

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Originally Posted by taxexile

Yingluck summoned on rice scheme corruption charges

It seems more like what I would call a formal investigation- such as an ICAC investigation in HK. Fair enough too- but as I understand it, formal judicial charges would follow if sufficient evidence of malfeasance, or dereliction of duty, is established.

Originally Posted by Norton

To win a popular election best to have populist policy

Best to have a policy.

Some third hand definitely in play when a democratically elected Sovereign Government is blocked from borrowing money.

Still , a bit of quantative easing ought to sort things.

^ No, he had the timing just about right.
Most of the Reds voted before the extent of ricegate was known and well before they start to see the trickle down effect in their little red shanty towns.
A season of no crops and all the flow on effects is yet to be seen by the non rice farmers.

Originally Posted by Necron99

Ratch, "in your area"....
What about outside "your area"?

Don't you think that if there was not a problem of epic proportions here the Govt. could easily trundle out reports, accounts and audits to show that?

Both sides of the argument are correct. The Bamboo Grapevine says that certain people knew this scheme was about to collapse and used their power to be first in line to collect.

^ the govt knew it was about to collapse, its why Thaksin's amnesty attempt included the period covering the rice scam.

obviously fake tractors and fake farmers, if we are to believe our resident Thaksinite Red supporters

Originally Posted by hillbilly

The Bamboo Grapevine says that certain people knew this scheme was about to collapse and used their power to be first in line to collect.

which proves again that the majority of those farmers aren't too smart,

they shouldn't be let near a voting booth if they can't see such a scam so close to them,

next time they should just choose "no vote" and let Thailand politics to the Bangkok people,

Originally Posted by Butterfly

next time they should just choose "no vote" and let Thailand politics to the Bangkok people

But how many Bangkokians are from Bangkok? They reckon a good percentage are migrant workers from the red shirt areas.

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19Feb2014 Farmer (according to the news, she’s from Lopburi) cries after ex-MP of Phuethai obstructed her to travel to Bangkok

^ Isn't that a bit like Norman Lamont stopping people from crossing the road?

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

They reckon a good percentage are migrant workers from the red shirt areas.

they don't vote in Bangkok, so who cares, they are not resident

Originally Posted by Butterfly

they don't vote in Bangkok, so who cares, they are not resident

All depends whether they notify the Amphur as to change of address.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

so who cares

the concern is that they might start caring- and they would have a considerable point.
it is rather anachronistic to have to travel hundreds of kilometre's from the place you work and live with your family, to the place you had grown up, to cast your vote- as you are required to do, by law. seems to me only a matter of time before they do start caring, frankly.

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by Butterfly

so who cares

the concern is that they might start caring- and they would have a considerable point.
it is rather anachronistic to have to travel hundreds of kilometre's from the place you work and live with your family, to the place you had grown up, to cast your vote- as you are required to do, by law. seems to me only a matter of time before they do start caring, frankly.

They don't have to travel
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Thai PM protests innocence amid sacking threat
February 20, 2014


Thai PM protests innocence amid sacking threat Bangkok
(AFP)

Thai Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra on Thursday protested her innocence after an anti-corruption panel filed charges of neglect of duty that could lead to her removal from office.

Yingluck, who has faced almost four months of mass street protests demanding her resignation, questioned why the investigation by the National Anti-Corruption Commission (NACC) into an expensive rice subsidy scheme had apparently been fast-tracked.

"I reaffirm that I am innocent of the accusations by the NACC," Yingluck said on her official Facebook page.

"Even though I am accused of criminal charges and face removal (from office), which were the wishes of people who want to overthrow the government, I am willing to cooperate to establish the facts," she added.

The NACC says Yingluck ignored warnings that the rice scheme was fostering corruption and causing financial losses. She has been summoned to hear the charges on February 27.

Yingluck urged the panel not to rush to deliver a ruling "which may be criticised by society as benefiting people who want to overthrow the government". She noted that similar complaints against the previous administration were still under investigation.

Her critics say the controversial scheme, which guarantees farmers above-market rates for rice, has encouraged corruption, drained the public coffers and left the country with a mountain of unsold stock.

Yingluck said she was simply trying to improve the lives of farmers.

In another legal setback to Yingluck, a Civil Court on Wednesday ordered the government not to use force against peaceful protests, limiting the authorities' scope to deal with opposition rallies that have descended into violence on several occasions.

Authorities announced they would swiftly appeal the decision, saying it has crippled their ability to keep order and uphold the law.

"Protesters can lay siege to government offices and obstruct elections as the public has seen," Tarit Pengdith, of the agency in charge of the security response to the crisis, said in a televised address Thursday.

"That's not right," he said, adding their work "has been stopped" by the court ruling.

Sixteen people have been killed, both protesters and policemen, and hundreds injured in gunfire and grenade blasts linked to demonstrations.

New York-based Human Rights Watch accused both sides of using live ammunition in clashes on Tuesday in Bangkok's historic district in which five people were killed and dozens wounded.

"Excessive force by the police and violence by groups on both sides of the political divide needs to stop to prevent this situation from escalating out of control," HRW Asia director Brad Adams said in a statement.

The government has said security forces used only rubber bullets and not live ammunition.

Protesters accuse Yingluck's billionaire family of using taxpayers' money to buy the loyalty of rural voters through populist policies such as the rice scheme.

Shinawatra business interests are the latest target of the demonstrators, with their firebrand protest leader calling for a boycott of several companies.

"All Shinawatra businesses must collapse," Suthep Thaugsuban said to cheering crowd outside a building linked to the family.

The opposition demonstrators want Yingluck to step down and make way for a temporary unelected government that would oversee loosely defined reforms to tackle corruption and alleged vote-buying.

They accuse her hugely divisive brother Thaksin, a former premier ousted in a 2006 coup and successful businessman, of running the government from overseas, where he lives to avoid a jail term on corruption charges.

The country's main opposition party boycotted a February 2 election which Yingluck called to try to defuse the protests. The results are not expected to be known until balloting is held in constituencies where voting was disrupted by protesters.

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you have to feel sorry for Y, she was doing OK until her silly brother forced her to go for an Amnesty and then she did the stupidest thing, call for an early election instead of sending the police to clear the protest site

fell into every trap, and here we are. Sadly, she will have to go. Not sure the next PM is going to be any better, probably worst by the look of things.