Phi Phi : Canadian sisters found dead in Thai resort

**alitongkat** · 22-10-2012, 11:15 PM

Our results show therefore that a wide variety of chlorinated pesticides, which are considered as hepatic tumor promotors, can stimulate the expression of NO synthase in vivo.

Induction of nitric oxide synthase ... [Cent Eur J Public Health. 1996] - PubMed - NCBI

nitric oxide gave the skin rash,
its influence on alpha-adrenoreceptors gave the breathing difficulties...
it also slows down blood pressure, but increases heart beat...

its the water - and this is the only known thing the victims had in common...

**guyinthailand** · 24-10-2012, 06:05 AM

Originally Posted by alitongkat

Our results show therefore that a wide variety of chlorinated pesticides, which are considered as hepatic tumor promotors, can stimulate the expression of NO synthase in vivo.

Induction of nitric oxide synthase ... [Cent Eur J Public Health. 1996] - PubMed - NCBI

nitric oxide gave the skin rash,
its influence on alpha-adrenoreceptors gave the breathing difficulties...
it also slows down blood pressure, but increases heart beat...

its the water - and this is the only known thing the victims had in common...

your quote above is about PESTICIDES directly, and nitric oxide only indirectly. People have said all along that this is a PESTICIDE poisoning. Forget the nitric oxide. Focus on pesticides.

**piwanoi** · 24-10-2012, 06:41 AM

Originally Posted by Kwang

When was the last full moon here ?

My guess is dodgy drugs, I might be way off the mark though

R.I.P Girls

Maybe you are off the mark , but somehow I doubt any one would take you to task and disagree with your opinion, lets face it ,it goes on all the time ,I've seen young kids completely off their crusts getting off the boat in Samui after attending a midnight rave full moon party ,I've also heard that quite a few just "disappear" with no inquiry's or reporting it to the news media , sad really, but TIT!.

**guyinthailand** · 24-10-2012, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by Kwang

My guess is dodgy drugs, I might be way off the mark though

'Party drugs' 'dodgy drugs' and 'illegal drugs' do not cause the symptoms all the victims had nor the kind of deaths they suffered.

**piwanoi** · 24-10-2012, 07:53 AM

The way I see it, I doubt that there will be an "Official" Inquiry and as in cases like this before the truth is avoided if it attache's blame to anyone Thai, everything is up in the air and IMHO purely speculative!.

**socal** · 24-10-2012, 08:03 AM

Originally Posted by guyinthailand

Originally Posted by Kwang

My guess is dodgy drugs, I might be way off the mark though

'Party drugs' 'dodgy drugs' and 'illegal drugs' do not cause the symptoms all the victims had nor the kind of deaths they suffered.

Bullshit. Did you see the bodies yourself ?

basic Allergies can turn people purple , rashed and fucked.

**socal** · 24-10-2012, 08:06 AM

Originally Posted by piwanoi

The way I see it, I doubt that there will be an "Official" Inquiry and as in cases like this before the truth is avoided if it attache's blame to anyone Thai, everything is up in the air and IMHO purely speculative!.

The parents have agreed to withhold some of the information. What does that say ?

**alitongkat** · 24-10-2012, 08:14 AM

dunno what "Nitric oxide synthease" is, but i thought from the study link above, that during pesticide chloride poisoning high amounts of nitric oxide are built/released in the body in some form... and nitric oxide in overdose does cause skin rash...

its imo not a pesticide/poison in the room, but in the water...

**piwanoi** · 24-10-2012, 10:28 AM

Originally Posted by socal

Originally Posted by piwanoi

The way I see it, I doubt that there will be an "Official" Inquiry and as in cases like this before the truth is avoided if it attache's blame to anyone Thai, everything is up in the air and IMHO purely speculative!.

The parents have agreed to withhold some of the information. What does that say ?

What does that say? how does "cover up" sound?

**socal** · 24-10-2012, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by piwanoi

Originally Posted by socal

Originally Posted by piwanoi

The way I see it, I doubt that there will be an "Official" Inquiry and as in cases like this before the truth is avoided if it attache's blame to anyone Thai, everything is up in the air and IMHO purely speculative!.

The parents have agreed to withhold some of the information. What does that say ?

What does that say? how does "cover up" sound?

yeah i know. its the parents that are covering up

**Latindancer** · 24-10-2012, 12:27 PM

Just to make it potentially more complex, different people can have unique (but not necessarily allergic) reactions to unusual drugs. Many medicines only affect 40 or 50% of people in predictable ways. There was a super-fit, super healthy guy in Australia in the 70s and 80s who died in hospital from a reaction to the anaesthetic.....I think his name was Jon Edmondstone.

**guyinthailand** · 24-10-2012, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by Kwang

My guess is dodgy drugs, I might be way off the mark though

Originally Posted by guyinthailand

'Party drugs' 'dodgy drugs' and 'illegal drugs' do not cause the symptoms all the victims had nor the kind of deaths they suffered.

Originally Posted by socal

Bullshit. Did you see the bodies yourself ?

basic Allergies can turn people purple , rashed and fucked.

Socal, before you were only stupid to say 'illegal' drugs caused these deaths. Now you are downright ridiculous.

"Basic allergies" hahahahahahah

Socal is on the record as saying 'basic allergies" can kill people the way these people were killed.

Not!!!

Here comes the broken record of socal and his 'party drugs caused this'.

Socal, I hate to inform you of this but you are cognitively impaired.

Because it has been demonstrated countless times on this thread that in no way possible can party drugs (much less "basic allergies" hahahahah) cause the symptoms and deaths they had. And yet you just keep in screeching your idiotic statements.

For the record, Socal, we on this thread know that party drugs can be dangerous and can even kill, but, guess what, they don't kill in this way, with these symptoms.

hey, Homer! err, I mean socal...go wipe the drool off of your lower lip.

**alitongkat** · 24-10-2012, 08:59 PM

https://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asi...th-patong.html

By Chutima Sidasathian and Alan Morison Friday, July 17, 2009
THE SUDDEN unexplained death of a young woman tourist on Phuket has left a grieving father asking questions about what killed his daughter.

Student nurse Sherifa Waleed Khalid, 24, was found dead in her room at the Thara Patong Beach Resort in Patong yesterday.

It was a tragic and unexpected end to a happy family holiday.

On Wednesday, the young Kuwaiti citizen went to Phi Phi on a day trip with her family, according to the Superintendent of Kathu Police Station, Police Colonel Grissak Songmoonnark.

Her father told police that his daughter developed a bad cough after the Phi Phi trip, and she told family members that she felt sick.

The father took his daughter to Patong Hospital later that evening, Colonel Grissak told Phuketwan today.

''A doctor at Patong Hospital prescribed medicine for the cough,'' Colonel Grissak said. ''The young woman took some medicine then retired for the night.''

On Thursday morning, Sherifa failed to appear. Her father assumed she was sleeping and shaking off the illness, Colonel Grissak said.

About 4pm, keen to check on her condition, her father attempted to wake his daughter by knocking on the door, but there was no response.

The father organised for hotel staff to open the room.

His daughter, the colonel said, was lying on the bed with a blanket over her head. When the blanket was pulled back, it was plain that she was dead, Colonel Grissack said.

There was discharge around the young woman's mouth, the colonel added.

**alitongkat** · 24-10-2012, 09:07 PM

from the young swede, 2012, september 27th
https://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asi...chiangmai.html

On September 27th at 11.30 am
His face was found up against a pillow and there was some blood on his right leg. Police cannot specify the exact cause of death at this point.

**alitongkat** · 24-10-2012, 10:21 PM

after all, food poisoning can NOT be ruled out...
Food poisoning
all symptoms, including the heart muscle...

the NZ-girls case in in CM: one died, another received a heart surgery and survived...

it seems, both hospitalized girls had heart muscle problem, wasnt working properly anymore, it was NOT the first symptom, appeared hours after the vomitting/illness... but the heart muscle would be likely the cause of death...

the girl, that died had a "pump" at the heart (probably to support the heart muscle)...

WED night : they had dinner, fell sick that night and
THU morning (10:30 am): they called a doctor in... this means, they were feeling somewhat able to do so...
THU morning (12:30 am estimated): Doctor in, treatment (hydration) finished
THU afternoon (16:30 estimated): "4 hours later they fell sick again"...
FRI morning (01:00 am): all in hospital
SAT morning (03:30 am): sarah parker dies (i think it must have been saturday)

if there was quite clearly a poison in their system, does anyone know why they wouldnt dialyse them (blood washing)?
does anyone know, what surgery on the heart was done?

some quotes

Ms Eliason said all three had eaten dinner at a food market late last week and began vomiting early the next morning.

"By 10.30am we called hotel reception and they said they would arrange for a doctor to come and see us.

"Sarah and Emma were put on an IV (intravenous drip) to rehydrate but the doctor couldn't find a vein for me, so I was given an injection instead."

She said the vomiting stopped for four hours but by late afternoon they were all ill again.

"After getting back in touch with the doctor we were told to go to hospital and by 1am on Friday morning we were all in hospital."

Ms Eliason eventually needed heart surgery to assist her recovery but doctors lost the battle to save Ms Carter.

sarah parkers heart was running at 10 % all night...

'But within an hour of our conversation the thing just spread to her heart and strangled her heart.'

**alitongkat** · 24-10-2012, 10:39 PM

melatonin would be the measure of treatment (with the heart problems), it seems...?

also

Studies have shown that melatonin levels reach their lowest point during ovulation, and their highest point during menstruation

would be interesting to know, in what phase of the cycle the three girls were, particularly also the one who didnt fall very sick, even though quite sick...

**alitongkat** · 24-10-2012, 11:03 PM

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Contamination: 2nd raid on chicken slaughterhouses

Published on June 14, 2011

Nakhon Ratchasima Livestock Development officials raided six chicken slaughterhouses in Nakhon Ratchasima's Pak Chong district early yesterday and seized about eight tonnes of decomposed chicken.

The move followed news that some chicken slaughterhouses in Nakhon Ratchasima were soaking dead chickens in strong-smelling formalin solution before selling them.

if it hadnt smelled so much, nobody would have given a f.ck...

i hate to say it, but its the thai food...
thats all the mystery...

for a place like phi phi, they dont get always fresh things, they might well put their own chemicals on it there, not in the restaurants, but more likely the vendor, to sell their crap off...

its the food...

another one

Survey finds harmful bacteria, chemicals rife in popular foods

https://teakdoor.com/thailand-and-asi...cals-rife.html (Survey finds harmful bacteria, chemicals rife in popular foods)

**alitongkat** · 24-10-2012, 11:53 PM

Formaldehyd (formalin)

History: Exposure to formaldehyde acutely can cause dermatitis, mild eye irritation with lacrimation, and even blindness. Depending on the concentration of inhaled formaldehyde vapor in the air, individuals may experience symptoms ranging from cough, congestion, and pulmonary irritation to asthma and pneumonia. Ingestion can cause vomiting, nausea, and stomach cramping, and can lead to multi-organ failure.

Physical exam: Skin may be red, swollen, and scaly with hives. The individual's eyes may be discolored from corneal opacities and may be red and itchy. The individual may have vision loss. A thorough lung examination is needed to rule out asthma and other airway diseases. The nasal mucosa should be examined for signs of redness and swelling associated with exposure.

Treatment: An individual who has swallowed formaldehyde should be given milk, water, or activated charcoal to deactivate the chemical.

Prognosis: Effects may worsen up to 20 hours after exposure and persist for several days. Individuals can die from swallowing 30cc of formaldehyde in a 37% solution in the form of formalin.

excerpts from: Toxic Effects Formaldehyde - Medical Disability Guidelines

formalin can apparently also be used for water treatment...

**Rocksteady** · 25-10-2012, 12:06 AM

Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

American Jill St Onge, 27, was in one room with her boyfriend Ryan Kells, while Norwegian Julie Michelle Bergheim, 22, and her friend ''Karina'' signed in for the room next door.

"Karina"! Wow! wasn't this the one who Yubamrung's son claimed shot the cop to death in the pub for treading on his foot?

**guyinthailand** · 25-10-2012, 12:16 AM

Originally Posted by alitongkat

after all, food poisoning can NOT be ruled out...

If you only bothered to read the many previous posts in this thread, rather than what you have done which is jump in at the end and start posting, you would know:

that food poisoning can and has been ruled out.

Food poisoning doesn't cause the symptoms they had.

**guyinthailand** · 25-10-2012, 12:21 AM

Originally Posted by alitongkat

Formaldehyd (formalin)

Formaldehyde didn't cause these deaths. It doesn't cause the kinds of acute, deadly symptoms they had.

Incidentally, a good percentage of the meat in Thailand has formaldehyde in it courtesy of Thais who don't bother with refrigeration. Formaldehyde at low levels like this will cause cancer, etc.

**alitongkat** · 25-10-2012, 12:23 AM

the term "food poisoning" would also include meat soaked in formalin...
of course the poison of the food poisoning has to be determined, its not always the same, you clown...

and further, thats not even anything new, that food (and whatever else) is treated with cheap formaldehyd in thailand...

how do you guys not know about it, when staying here for ages...?
why did nobody mention it?
you all totally dumb or what?

**alitongkat** · 25-10-2012, 12:26 AM

Originally Posted by guyinthailand

Formaldehyde didn't cause these deaths. It doesn't cause the kinds of acute, deadly symptoms they had.

Incidentally, a good percentage of the meat in Thailand has formaldehyde in it courtesy of Thais who don't bother with refrigeration. Formaldehyde at low levels like this will cause cancer, etc.

read my previous posts, meat is not unlikely to be soaked in formalin here...
30 ml at 37 % solution enough to die - of multi organ failure...

**guyinthailand** · 25-10-2012, 12:30 AM

Like I told you, a lot of the meat in Thailand is soaked in formalin but it isn't causing acute deaths. It is causing long-term cancers and sickness.

Nope, can't be formalin. Formalin doesn't cause diarrhea (which they had) and hemorrhaging from skin mouth and nose (which they had).

Here are the effects of acute (massive) ingestion of formalin (i.e. way more than is found in Thai meat).

Acute ingestion will cause irritation, ulceration, burns and haemorrhage to the
gastrointestinal tract, as well as metabolic acidosis, tachypnoea, jaundice and acute
renal failure
http://www.hpa.org.uk/webc/HPAwebFil.../1219908739327

I bet you can't even find one case history of acute death by formaldehyde ingestion. Which is one reason "Goldfrank's Manual of Toxicologic Emergencies" doesn't even bother to cover formaldehyde.

**alitongkat** · 25-10-2012, 12:32 AM

and if they have suspicious food here to serve, then you can BET it will get the western women, and not the dick...

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