Thread: Phi Phi : Canadian sisters found dead in Thai resort

i apologise if this has been posted before, but i open this thread only occasionally, to see if there have been any real developments, and it seems that apart from ingredients from insecticides, not much else.

many foreigners tend to want to experience "real" thai culture, and get involved with the locals and their crap on their first visit to thailand.
well. the wonderfull locals often make their own illicit alcohol, and to get in the swing of things, many people would/could be coaxed into getting into the spirit of things and joining them .

i am not trying to say that the deaths were caused by imbibing illicit alcohol, but here's a thing:

often, insecticides are added to these brews, especially in the form of the locally available and very toxic "polydol" (don't know the ingredients but i remember reading the label and being shocked at how casually and liberally the stuff is used in most thai households)
the polydol is added to get them on a buzz quicker, and since most asians cannot manage too much alcohol before passing out, a westerner drinking this stuff would possibly ingest far more.
if insecticide was a cause, this could possibly be a way it entered their systems- not skin contact or inhallation, not malicious poisoning...just simple thai sinook!

advice to anybody visiting thailand:
keep your distance from the locals
don't drink with them
don't dine with them
don't party with them
don't sleep with them without protection.

Originally Posted by tsicar

often, insecticides are added to these brews, especially in the form of the locally available and very toxic "polydol" (don't know the ingredients but i remember reading the label and being shocked at how casually and liberally the stuff is used in most thai households)

"often, insecticides are added to these brews"

Really? Can you substantiate this? I've lived in Thailand for years and never heard of it. My Thai wife has never heard of it.

I flat out do not believe Thais--as intellectually challenged as they are--add insecticides to recreational drinks even on rare occasions, much less 'often'.

If this notion can be substantiated by more than just this 'polydol' gossip, then I'm sure we'd all like to hear about it.

'polydol' is parathion, a highly toxic organophosphate insecticide developed by the Germans in WWII and now banned or restricted in many countries and there are proposals to ban all use.

As little as 200mg (200 thousandths of a gram) can kill a person.

It is absurd to say Thais put this stuff in recreational drinks for 'fun'.

Whoever says things like this must be suspected of being a Thai 'agent' trying to 'save face' for Thailand by fooling people into believing these poisonings were 'accidental' rather than the deliberate poisonings they probably were.

Originally Posted by guyinthailand

Originally Posted by tsicar

often, insecticides are added to these brews, especially in the form of the locally available and very toxic "polydol" (don't know the ingredients but i remember reading the label and being shocked at how casually and liberally the stuff is used in most thai households)

"often, insecticides are added to these brews"

Really? Can you substantiate this? I've lived in Thailand for years and never heard of it. My Thai wife has never heard of it.

I flat out do not believe Thais--as intellectually challenged as they are--add insecticides to recreational drinks even on rare occasions, much less 'often'.

If this notion can be substantiated by more than just this 'polydol' gossip, then I'm sure we'd all like to hear about it.

You and your missus need to get out more and may be appologise. Tsicar may well be correct. This is a quote from Thai Visa. I can't be bothered to read the threads to find the exact post.

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Well I would say I am closer than Thai experts or at least making a better effort than .... about increasing numbers of young poor people drinking Polydol here to commit suicide. ... (Mixed illegally in some home-made alcohol?) ...

Koh Phi Phi has a reputation for boisterous nightlife and binge drinking - tourists are sometimes encouraged to drink alcoholic concoctions out of small plastic buckets.

Originally Posted by guyinthailand

Originally Posted by tsicar

often, insecticides are added to these brews, especially in the form of the locally available and very toxic "polydol" (don't know the ingredients but i remember reading the label and being shocked at how casually and liberally the stuff is used in most thai households)

"often, insecticides are added to these brews"

Really? Can you substantiate this? I've lived in Thailand for years and never heard of it. My Thai wife has never heard of it.

I flat out do not believe Thais--as intellectually challenged as they are--add insecticides to recreational drinks even on rare occasions, much less 'often'.

If this notion can be substantiated by more than just this 'polydol' gossip, then I'm sure we'd all like to hear about it.

witnessed it myself.
used to buy illicit alcohol myself from an old girl whose "brewery" in the rice fields made a decent "tsaa-tor" (rice beer)
there was a "special brew" the younger thais paid extra for, and it contained small amounts of polydol.

a girlfriend of mine's husband would add it to the stuff they collect from the palm trees: they stick chopsticks into the fruits while still on the tree and create a lattice of chopsticks so the juice dribbles down and is then collected in a bottle.
polydol was added, and he told me it was "to make one drunk quicker"

the stuff is mostly consumed around songkran and other "important" holidays

sorry if the eye witness account isn't enough to "substantiate" my claim, but that's all i have.




....and if you read superman's post properly, you would have seen the part in brackets:
"(mixed illegally into some home made alcohol)"

....not only for suicide, but for fun!, ..........although i would think it would be suicide to drink the stuff anyway.

room dependend and is fatal, if it hits women... or at least very difficult to survive, compared to men...

it could be something that uses a loophole, caused by e.g. an enzymes-deficiency, as there a apparently enzyme deficiencies that only occur in females (for all i understand)...

this may lead to a fatal outcome of an otherwise non fatal virus, bacteria...

they never found out (till now), why in germany so many of the infected women died compared to infected men - of this recent ecoli-bacteria-mutation...

or its in the water... maybe a vaginal infection - acquired in the pool...
one of the chiang mai cases only swam in the pool and used the bathrooms - enough to die with the same symptoms...

Originally Posted by tsicar

this is not the polydol i am talking about.

they use the insecticide you described in a previous post:

If what you are saying is true, then thousands of thais would be dropping over dead after just ONE DRINK. You know why? It's because of what I already told you: the amount of parathion needed to kill is just a tiny sprinkle of dust worth, a few hundred milligrams, a slight tipping of a tiny squirt, an its- bitsy teeny-weeny extremely minute amount! According to you, Thais 'often' put this stuff in drinks for 'fun'. Absurd!!! If they did, it would be too easy to make a mistake and overdose and thousands of Thais wold be 'often' dropping over dead just after ONE DRINK, or maybe just one sip. Thais are amazingly cavalier and stupid about insecticide use, but they're not this f*#king stupid!!! When they use insecticides to kill it is deliberate homicide or suicide---not for recreational drinks!!

So shut up with this asinine idea hearsay bullshit made up story. The more you keep saying this stupid thing the more you sound like the Thai agents who were prowling the thailandtraveltragedies website (set up by father of Sarah Carter who was among the poisoned dead in Chiang Mai) and trying to fool people into believing the Chiang Mai victims didn't die of poisoning.

There is a 'polydol' in Thailand that is put in drinks and it is composed of paracetamol (tylenol) and orphenadrine (muscle relaxant).

not enough...

they had something, what made them unable to really move...

unable to call for help... something what not only inflicted the heart, but the brain too...

NONE of the cases ever contacted the reception, or called home or whatever...
the women with the fiance on phi-phi never tried to make it outside, while he wasnt there, it was HIM who decided they go to the hospital (on the way she died)...
she did (faik) NOT say to him, bring me to a doctor, get me help...

the canadians - lets assume they DID have a travel insurance - as well as the scandinavians...

they all claim to be backpack/budget, but NONE of them really was...
they had the money/insurance to call for help, to manage a doctor to come or being brought to the hospital...
none ever did do a thing about it...

whatever they had, they didnt feel that they were dying?
something with the brain... or better "perception"...

we know from the phi-phi-cases that it took around 5 hours...