Thaksin: Let's put unity before justice

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Originally Posted by Itchy

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Originally Posted by DroversDog

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Originally Posted by Itchy

What the fuck does the square faced cnut know ir care about justice?

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Oh your back. Crabs, what made you crawl out you little hole and write yet another post full of shite. :tieme:

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Sorry to point out the blindingly obvious truth about what is going on.

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Your posts have never contained a ounce of truth and your recent post has not contained anything new.

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Originally Posted by Itchy

Now bend over and take it up the arse, because you know, I know and we all know the reds are getting fucked over.

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I will leave the anal stuff to you and butters.

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Originally Posted by Itchy

The single clear and undeniable point the Red movement is demanding is JUSTICE.

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Yes, so what is your problem?

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Originally Posted by Itchy

Now the square face cnut is selling the Reds down the river to get his arse back in Thailand and his snout back in the trough.

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How long will it take your lonely brain cell to work out that PAD rhetoric is exactly that?

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Originally Posted by Itchy

Bend Over Drover's Bitch and take it like a peasant.

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I am very glad to stand with the peasants, but the anal work is your speciality. :tieme:

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Originally Posted by Itchy

The PT have a huge majority in the house, they can pass any laws they wish - but they refuse to pass the laws they promised.

WHY?

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Obviously you have never cared to look at the Thai constitution? :mid:
There are 2 houses of parliament in Thailand and one has a hell of a lot of appointees which prefer not to loose their jobs for the sake of democracy. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

^ Ah, the pet speaks...

What a surprise....

"Fetch"

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Ah the agoraphobic tries in vain to post his own words. Nice try but you as usual you are lacking any coherence. Go back to reposting others work. :UK:

A few posters here have been indoctrinated quite nicely by BP/The Nation/or girlfriend....or are simply dumbheads...

Fact is that whatever Dr T's alleged crimes, the amart were unable to remove him from office legally...and hence a coup...and even after the coup, the "trumped up" charges were such a joke that any neutral observer could not fail to side with anyone but Thaksin. Subsequent events were cover-up after cover-up leading ultimately to killing on the street...and "one simply does not kill one's own people"....

This Country will not live up to its potential until someone with a belief in the people as much as himself comes to the forefront...and is able to do so without being a "puppet on a string"....

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Originally Posted by DroversDog

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Originally Posted by Itchy

The single clear and undeniable point the Red movement is demanding is JUSTICE.

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Yes, so what is your problem?

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The problem Drover's Bitch, and you know it, is that this one single item (the necessity and rightness of we both agree on), is the one single thing the square face cnut is willing to sell out on in oder to get his arse back in Thailand and his snout back in the trough.

The Reds need to wake up to the fact that they are being fucked over (they know it already) and respond by selecting and electing their own candidates from their own communities into the house.

Now bend over and take your punishment, it might not be the Amnart that fucks you, but the Chinese Monopoly Owning 'Businessmen', money lenders, rice millers and brewers will fuck you just as hard - They don't want anyone getting in the way of their right to milk Thailand and Thailand's poor.

Democracy my arse.

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Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Painting then prime minister Abhisit Vejjajiva's residence red with human blood was stepping into the extreme. But extremes are required otherwise a demonstration is likely to go unnoticed. Holding concerts in Sanam Luang would not have achieved any political aims.

Storming the Thaicom satellite station was also an extreme act, but government troops had shut down the red shirt People's Channel. An extreme situation required an extreme measure.

The illegal occupation of Ratchaprasong district caused, according to reports, as many as 100,000 people to be out of work, and many to go bankrupt. The irony is that the movement for democracy trampled on the basic human rights of others. But even in this, sympathetic observers can empathise and reason that an extreme situation required an extreme measure.


Voranai Vanijaka

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Ah! Machiavellis "the end justifies the means" argument.

Red shirts' affair with Thaksin cools | Bangkok Post: news

Red shirts' affair with Thaksin cools

Supporters say their idol is acting selfishly

• Published: 21/05/2012 at 01:56 AM
• Newspaper section: News

Red-shirt supporters have expressed dismay over ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra's call for them to set aside their anger and frustration over social and legal injustices for the sake of national reconciliation.

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Thaksin: Pushing for reconciliation

Pansak Srithep, father of a 17-year-old boy who was killed on Ratchaprarop Road on May 15, 2010, said Thaksin's comments showed that he loves himself more than the people.

"Certainly, it's not fair for our family. But the 91 deaths [in the 2010 unrest] are perhaps a minority compared to hundreds of thousands of supporters who really love Thaksin. So the damaged parties like us have to sacrifice for the Thaksin supporters too," Mr Pansak said.

Panitan Prueksakasemsuk, a third-year law student at Thammasat University, said Thaksin might feel he could continue to command the support of the mainstream red-shirt movement in making such a call.
He said that while he understood Thaksin's desire, he felt unhappy with call.

"Thaksin and this government should be doing more to help political detainees receive their basic rights," he said.

Pornchai Yuanyee, outgoing chairman of the Students Federation of Thailand, said national reconciliation was needed, but it could not be reached under a compromised justice system.

"We need to know first which parties should reconcile," said Mr Pornchai, a fourth-year student in Chulalongkorn University's political science faculty.

"If we compromise just to help bring one particular person back home, that should not be the case.

"He [Thaksin] should return home through democratic means."

Prayuth Chumnasiew, Ubon Ratchathani's core leader of the People and Academic Movement, said Thaksin was choosing a convenient path.

"People need to analyse the fact that perhaps Thaksin and Pheu Thai and the UDD are not the people to overhaul the present socio-political structure," said Mr Prayuth, 60. "Economically, these players might be able to respond to the people's need. But they are not the ones who can change the superstructure of society."

Meanwhile, liberal red shirt members are proclaiming on social media websites that they would still continue their quest for change, regardless of Thaksin's call.

Saovalux Phonga, a red shirt lawyer, said Thaksin was self-centred and cruel in making such a request.

"The truth and fact-finding process can actually proceed together with the reconciliation efforts. Why do we have to forget so easily, and so soon?" she said. "The truth must be disclosed to prevent impunity, which remains prevalent in Thai society."

Sombat Boonngamanong, leader of the Red Sunday Group, wrote on his Twitter page that the red shirts were getting fed up with Thaksin."The red shirts were fighting for democracy, so Thaksin must stop talking about himself," he said.

"Thaksin must stop talking about returning home. Instead, he must put himself in a proper place."

However, Tida Tawornseth, chairwoman of the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD), said she did not care what people or the political opposition thought about Thaksin's message.

"Thaksin will never leave the red shirts. Thaksin, the red shirts and the Pheu Thai Party are all close allies," she said.

She said Thaksin asked the red shirts to reconcile because he wanted the country to move forward so the government would be able to solve problems including the cost of living and other economic issues.

Ms Tida insisted that although the red shirts had close ties to Thaksin, the movement was independent of him.

"The red shirts gathered [at the Ratchaprasong intersection] on Saturday to commemorate those who died in the military crackdown on May 19, 2010. We did not go there because of Thaksin," she said.

The UDD will continue to call for justice for those who died during the April and May protests two years ago and to support an amendment to the constitution and other laws to ensure all Thais have equal rights, liberty and opportunity.

Thaksin believes that if the national reconciliation process moves forward he would receive justice, and a chance to return to the country, Deputy Agriculture and Cooperatives Minister Nattawut Saikua said.

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Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Mr Chalerm believed Thaksin would be able to return home by the end of this year provided that the national reconciliation bill was quickly passed into law.

Thaksin did not want to come home now because he wanted to see reconciliation in the country first, he said.

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Originally Posted by hazz

leading to a government as bad if not worse than the one the revolution removed;

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indeed, Revolution will lead to terror and possibly a worse government. See French revolution as an example, it got pretty bad with the "Terror Regime" which made PolPot regime and Mao cultural revolution like school play. For some reasons, many have a romantic and poetic version of the French revolution, there was nothing romantic about it.

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Originally Posted by hazz

This speech smacks of 'Ive got what I wanted; time for you chaps to go home and wait for my return'

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indeed, shove it and swallow bitches.

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Originally Posted by hazz

How the UDD responds to this is going to provide evidence to answer there question of where it and its membership stand on the spectrum between being 'a force to bring back thaksin to do good deeds' and 'a grass roots force for social change'. Thaksin's speech suggests that he firmly views the UDD as the former.

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I will be curious of their reactions too, it will definitely confirm our suspicions all along

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Originally Posted by hazz

I cannot see the UDD being sufficiently independent of Thaksin, PT, their money and their supporters to be able to break free and successfully set themselves up as a political party

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Politics is all about money these days, without proper financial support, their message will be lost. Sad but true. Thaksin was their marketing manager, without him, they will loose their biggest asset. If I was one of the red leaders, I would see the writing on the wall and abandon the base to get myself a cozy little deal out of it.

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Thaksin, who reportedly is in China

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Shenzhen perhaps ? working out the deal with the tablet supplier

he is scum

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Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

"The truth and fact-finding process can actually proceed together with the reconciliation efforts. Why do we have to forget so easily, and so soon?" she said. "The truth must be disclosed to prevent impunity, which remains prevalent in Thai society."

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incidentally, this is also what Abhist and the Democrats want.

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Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Sombat Boonngamanong, leader of the Red Sunday Group, wrote on his Twitter page that the red shirts were getting fed up with Thaksin."The red shirts were fighting for democracy, so Thaksin must stop talking about himself," he said.

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Duh !!!

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Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

However, Tida Tawornseth, chairwoman of the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD), said she did not care what people or the political opposition thought about Thaksin's message.

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how lovely,

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Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

"Thaksin will never leave the red shirts. Thaksin, the red shirts and the Pheu Thai Party are all close allies," she said.

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you sold out, bitch

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Originally Posted by Troy

"one simply does not kill one's own people"....

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one doesn't....but Thailand does, time and time again.....

Successful Campaigns of the Thai Army.

Thammasat University
Ratchadamnoen Avenue
Tak Bai
Ratchaprasong
One Cambodiam Soldier killed at Preah Viharn

they must be so proud.

Poor old Thaksin, he was never the most subtle of politicians.

"Why can't we all just get along and let me come back. Principles are all fine and dandy and yes I'd love to have justice for all but if that means I've got to stay here with a bunch of camel jocks for another 5 years then you're missing the point."

Honestly, just how ungrateful can that red rabble be? He bought the last election for them, he gave new loans to his taxi driver constituency, he's given their sprogs free ipads to play with, they can buy cheap crap food products in the new government stores. What more do they need, for Chrissakes?

Anyone might think he wasn't the prime minister.

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Originally Posted by nidhogg

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Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

Painting then prime minister Abhisit Vejjajiva's residence red with human blood was stepping into the extreme. But extremes are required otherwise a demonstration is likely to go unnoticed. Holding concerts in Sanam Luang would not have achieved any political aims.

Storming the Thaicom satellite station was also an extreme act, but government troops had shut down the red shirt People's Channel. An extreme situation required an extreme measure.

The illegal occupation of Ratchaprasong district caused, according to reports, as many as 100,000 people to be out of work, and many to go bankrupt. The irony is that the movement for democracy trampled on the basic human rights of others. But even in this, sympathetic observers can empathise and reason that an extreme situation required an extreme measure.


Voranai Vanijaka

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Ah! Machiavellis "the end justifies the means" argument.

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Yup, certainly applies in this case.

>Painting prima donna's house with human blood that was freely given, is better than smearing it all over the pavement in a murderous rampage. The term 'extreme' obviously applies in only one case here.

> Storming the Thaicom satellite station was also an extreme act, but government troops had shut down the red shirt People's Channel. ....................................Storming a TV station is not extreme, compared to shutting one down

>The illegal occupation of Ratchaprasong district again pales in comparison to stealing an entire country via a coup. Only one extreme here.

I enjoy watching the coupist PADites twisting in the wind, trying so hard to justify themselves by elevating anti-coup activities to their own murderous take-over of a country.

Especially their campaign to try and equate a little Anti-coup fightback to their overwhelming, trained and armed attack on taxpayers. When not trying to equate it, they try to change the conversation and focus on it.

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Red shirts' affair with Thaksin cools | Bangkok Post: news

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Wishful thinking by the Post.

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He [Thaksin] should return home through democratic means."

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Yeah, the same way he left it right!

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Prayuth Chumnasiew, Ubon Ratchathani's core leader of the People and Academic Movement, said Thaksin was choosing a convenient path

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Another group of PADites trying to pretend they are not PADites.

It is quite obvious how PADites always try to distance themselves from themselves.

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Originally Posted by Calgary

Yeah, the same way he left it right!

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he ran away like the little scumbag he is

I'm sure Thaksin would like nothing more than for the country to forget about all past crimes and injustices.

Then he could safely keep all the $$$ he stole from the Thai people via various deals (Russian fighters, Suwarnabhumi, Tax evasion, 3-digit lottery, to name the obvious ones).

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Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I'm sure Thaksin would like nothing more than for the country to forget about all past crimes and injustices.

Then he could safely keep all the $$$ he stole from the Thai people via various deals (Russian fighters, Suwarnabhumi, Tax evasion, 3-digit lottery, to name the obvious ones).

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Spoken exactly the way the self-serving, coupist Thaksin criminalization campaign would have you do it.

They convinced you.

:rofl:

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Originally Posted by Calgary

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Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I'm sure Thaksin would like nothing more than for the country to forget about all past crimes and injustices.

Then he could safely keep all the $$$ he stole from the Thai people via various deals (Russian fighters, Suwarnabhumi, Tax evasion, 3-digit lottery, to name the obvious ones).

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Spoken exactly the way the self-serving, coupist Thaksin criminalization campaign would have you do it.

They convinced you.

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I think not, I have my own sources of information and he's still doing very nicely out of the Thai trough, I can assure you; in fact information passed my desk only the other day confirming that the Shin ways are still working a treat.

Have you had your ear bent out of shape by some illiterate, Northern Monkey perchance?

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Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I think not

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I think so.

I remember having this very long discussion with a Farang, who whenever we talked politics, was a verbal clone of the group-think mushrooms my signature references.

He talked like them, reasoned like them, was a Thaksin hater using all their verbiage, to the point there was absolutely no doubt he was systematically indoctrinated by them.

But when I asked him what his nickname was, he pretended not to know what I was talking about. He also claimed to have this analytical, independent approach with his own sources. He claimed he was a research-intensive guy, all the while spilling out the mantra word-for-word from 'over there'.

Been down this road before HB.

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Originally Posted by Calgary

Yeah, the same way he left it right!

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he ran away like the little scumbag he is

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One thing I have to say about you Baldrick.

With all due respect and spoken in good humour, your Posts exactly mirror what I would expect from someone who looks exactly like your avatar.

"Know thyself" is the adage, and you did, when selecting your avatar.:)

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Originally Posted by Calgary

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Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I'm sure Thaksin would like nothing more than for the country to forget about all past crimes and injustices.

Then he could safely keep all the $$$ he stole from the Thai people via various deals (Russian fighters, Suwarnabhumi, Tax evasion, 3-digit lottery, to name the obvious ones).

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Spoken exactly the way the self-serving, coupist Thaksin criminalization campaign would have you do it.

They convinced you.

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I have two questions.

Were you here in Bangkok in 2001 - 2006?

What is it that makes you blind to the antics of Thaksin in his systematic abuse of power during his reign?

You see, I could understand your position better if you were to concede Thaksin's many frailities but argued that his villainy was no better than another and as such it didn't matter much who was in notional control. But you don't. You actually do seem to believe that the wealth of evidence which accumulated over the years incriminating the man is simply a conspiracy to blacken his name.

What a weirdo you are. I asked before if you were a luk kreung but got no answer. There has to be a reason for your evident dementia .......... no one in their right mind could possibly spout the drivel that you do.

^ Agreed.

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Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I think not

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I think so.

I remember having this very long discussion with a Farang, who whenever we talked politics, was a verbal clone of the group-think mushrooms my signature references.

He talked like them, reasoned like them, was a Thaksin hater using all their verbiage, to the point there was absolutely no doubt he was systematically indoctrinated by them.

But when I asked him what his nickname was, he pretended not to know what I was talking about. He also claimed to have this analytical, independent approach with his own sources. He claimed he was a research-intensive guy, all the while spilling out the mantra word-for-word from 'over there'.

Been down this road before HB.

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Seriously, this is weird stuff.

You are a very, very strange person. Are you a short ginga with protruding eyes and buck teeth?

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Originally Posted by Calgary

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Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

I think not

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I think so.

I remember having this very long discussion with a Farang, who whenever we talked politics, was a verbal clone of the group-think mushrooms my signature references.

He talked like them, reasoned like them, was a Thaksin hater using all their verbiage, to the point there was absolutely no doubt he was systematically indoctrinated by them.

But when I asked him what his nickname was, he pretended not to know what I was talking about. He also claimed to have this analytical, independent approach with his own sources. He claimed he was a research-intensive guy, all the while spilling out the mantra word-for-word from 'over there'.

Been down this road before HB.

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I'd like you to bear in mind that I don't live in Thailand, and my knowledge of his dealings overseas, past and current, is probably a lot more extensive than your own, which judging by the "thaksin hater" epithet you apply to anyone who points out his crimes, is around about fucking zilch, give or take fuck all.

Don't believe everything the village idiots tell you. If they knew a fraction of the truth, they'd want him strung up.