UK Visa - Fuk the embassy is shit

**DrAndy** · 26-12-2010, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by Norton

I don't see why you need to specify how much money he will be given or worry about money in his bank. Just read the application for family visit. He is a student going to UK to visit his grandmother with his father (both UK citizens). You (his) father will accompany him and pay all his expenses. While staying with his grandmother you and she will pay all his expenses. Apply for 6 month visa. No need for you to say anything about returning before him. Am I missing something here?

I think you are right Norton

DD, when applying for his visa, you should state that you will be supporting him and be responsible for all his living and accomodation expenses

you will then have to submit YOUR bank account details showing that YOU have sufficient funds

**taffyapple** · 26-12-2010, 11:19 AM

what a load of helpful ----s working there i phoned them thurs.23dec.for an application form for the wife to renew her passport has i dont have access to download them some nice bird replied go to an internet cafe thank you end of call.

**Pointer** · 07-01-2011, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by taffyapple

what a load of helpful ----s working there i phoned them thurs.23dec.for an application form for the wife to renew her passport has i dont have access to download them some nice bird replied go to an internet cafe thank you end of call.

I guess they expect a reasonable amount of intelligence

**oldgit** · 07-01-2011, 11:16 PM

I found them to be the most unhelpful bunch also, I guess Pointer is one of them.

**dirtydog** · 08-01-2011, 12:02 AM

Originally Posted by DrAndy

DD, when applying for his visa, you should state that you will be supporting him and be responsible for all his living and accomodation expenses

I pretty much did that in the first email, ie asking how much they wanted to see, its real simple, how much do they want to see to issue him a visa.

**dirtydog** · 08-01-2011, 12:03 AM

The sad thing is a fake UK passport is cheaper and easier, something wrong with the world when that happens.

**dirtydog** · 08-01-2011, 12:55 AM

Fuk me, I got an uneducated Paki dealing with my sons visa, I'm fucked.

their email.

Dear, Sir/Madam

Thank you for contacting the UK Border Agency Visa Information Service in Bangkok.

We are sorry that you found our information wasted your time. However, please note that the link that you stated it was your son’s visa application was not an online application from the British Embassy, and we will not accept any other applications which are not the one that the British Embassy has provided.

Obviously, you did not understand the answer we gave that there is no set amount of funds for the financial evidence. Please understand that the reason we cannot give you the exact number of the money in your bank account, because there is no rule written for that. The acceptable set amount of money is the amount of money that covered everything in a trip which is a personal choice and a personal lifestyle (i.e. the class of a plant ticket, the kind of the accommodation, etc.)

We suggest you to estimate the cost that you would like to spend on your trip in order to know the amount of money you need in your bank account.

Yours Sincerely

**dirtydog** · 08-01-2011, 12:57 AM

Originally Posted by dirtydog

i.e. the class of a plant ticket

Plant ticket? are they accusing me of growing illegal drugs or something?

**dirtydog** · 08-01-2011, 01:03 AM

So now the 6 months of accounts aren't needed, or so we are led to believe, so why did the first emails state they needed 6 months accounts?

**dirtydog** · 08-01-2011, 01:04 AM

I should add he is traveling cattle class, aint no upgrades for him...

**dirtydog** · 08-01-2011, 01:29 AM

Hi Paki,my son wants to live in a squat dwelling with 15 other illegal immigrants and then claim dole money whilst he is there on his 4 weeks holiday, jees England is fucked aint it.

**CaptainNemo** · 08-01-2011, 04:28 AM

Originally Posted by dirtydog

We are sorry that you found our information wasted your time. However, please note that the link that you stated it was your son’s visa application was not an online application from the British Embassy, and we will not accept any other applications which are not the one that the British Embassy has provided.

Why are you sending them external links?

Originally Posted by dirtydog

Obviously, you did not understand the answer we gave that there is no set amount of funds for the financial evidence. Please understand that the reason we cannot give you the exact number of the money in your bank account, because there is no rule written for that. The acceptable set amount of money is the amount of money that covered everything in a trip which is a personal choice and a personal lifestyle (i.e. the class of a plant ticket, the kind of the accommodation, etc.)

We suggest you to estimate the cost that you would like to spend on your trip in order to know the amount of money you need in your bank account.

...like I said...

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

They're not the ones applying for the visa, so they can't be expected to know how much you need, because they don't know what your plans are! How well do you eat? How lush do you like your accommodation and travel?! Think about it...
They are only front line data-entry monkeys reading off a script with no time or leeway for interpreting it for you.
As I see it, you have to show a sketch of a plan and a plausible costing up of it, and then you tot up your guesstimate amounts for the specific time period you're asking for the "permission slip" (i.e. visa) for, and then present it to them in a way that gets to the point and ticks all the boxes they have to tick on their software; and stops them asking more questions!

You need about £2,000 in your bank account, and 3-6 months of statements to show that you haven't just transferred it in there, and that you are good for a grand or two a month, and have some savings they can target (in theory).

Why don't you just tot it up?! We know the Immi service is full of immigrants, but this is not the time for the revolution, just tot up the numbers and list some plausible expenses (travel, food, accommodation, activities, admin...), what's so complicated?!

**taffyapple** · 08-01-2011, 10:09 AM

can any one tell me is this correct,got the forms to renew a british passport,have to send to hong kong cost 1600hkd,=£128 plus courier fees.on british web site cost £77.50 32page.

**DrAndy** · 08-01-2011, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by dirtydog

Obviously, you did not understand the answer we gave that there is no set amount of funds for the financial evidence. Please understand that the reason we cannot give you the exact number of the money in your bank account, because there is no rule written for that. The acceptable set amount of money is the amount of money that covered everything in a trip which is a personal choice and a personal lifestyle (i.e. the class of a plant ticket, the kind of the accommodation, etc.)

a good response to a rude email

as the regs say exactly that, you should have been able to understand the information

after all, the website is in clear English nowadays, not like before

**DrAndy** · 08-01-2011, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

have to tick on their software; and stops them asking more questions! You need about £2,000 in your bank account, and 3-6 months of statements to show that you haven't just transferred it in there, and that you are good for a grand or two a month, and have some savings they can target (in theory).

nope, you need what will support the lifestyle in the application form

so, if you are staying with relatives, there will be no accomodation costs, for instance

and they have never asked for previous statements from myself, it doesn't matter when the money appeared, that is irrelevant (as is most of the bureaucracy)

**lom** · 08-01-2011, 10:55 AM

Shit ain't it DD when you are searching out a fight and they are only ducking your swings.

Shadow boxing in a nutshell..

**marklatham** · 08-01-2011, 08:58 PM

Mountains and molehills come to mind here.
If you are his father just get a bloody british passport and save any future hassle.
There cant be any statute of limitations over taking up british nationality.

**Pointer** · 08-01-2011, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by dirtydog

Hi Paki,my son wants to live in a squat dwelling with 15 other illegal immigrants and then claim dole money whilst he is there on his 4 weeks holiday, jees England is fucked aint it.

Well if you did not register your son as a British citizen after his birth that may well be what they are thinking as 150,000 Asians may well be doing that at the moment. You mention that you did something illegal under Thai law at the times. Does you son carry your name? You do not have to be married to register your son as a British citizen. Long term pain I am afraid.
I expect, while they have to stick to the rules, the British Embassy can be as nice or awkward as you want them to be. And even when your son reaches the UK - some guy at the Border Agency in Heathrow or whatever can still turn him back.
Your reference to Paki shows just how out of touch you are with the UK. Or is that an insulting reference to the new Ambassador?

**Seekingasylum** · 09-01-2011, 12:14 AM

Sometimes Dog you really do come across as being a bit, well, thick.

I can't believe you didn't register your son for British citizenship when you had the chance. Now he's 18 you can't apply under Section 3 (1) BNA 1981, you stupid twat. However, all may not be lost provided you are indeed the named father on the birth certificate, he has lived with you and the mother since birth, you are still a family unit and, hopefully, he has junior siblings also sprung from your accursed loins. If he has such siblings then sort out their registration asap and at the same time make an application for your 18 year old to be granted equal status at the UKBA's discretion. Despite the rubbish spouted by the ignorant the Secretary of State does exercise discretion in these matters and can be pragmatic. In your case they may well treat your son favourably so as not to break up the family unit should that prospect arise. It's a slim chance but worth doing.

Needless to say you should get a decent representative to assist you since you are patently ill equipped to go it alone as evidenced by your inability to comprehend something so simple as the basis of a visa application.

Grief.....no wonder Drummond wipes the floor with you.

**Pointer** · 10-01-2011, 12:48 PM

Originally Posted by taffyapple

can any one tell me is this correct,got the forms to renew a british passport,have to send to hong kong cost 1600hkd,=£128 plus courier fees.on british web site cost £77.50 32page.

Check the British Embassy webside

. Not here

**Pointer** · 10-01-2011, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by thegent

Sometimes Dog you really do come across as being a bit, well, thick.

I can't believe you didn't register your son for British citizenship when you had the chance. Now he's 18 you can't apply under Section 3 (1) BNA 1981, you stupid twat. However, all may not be lost provided you are indeed the named father on the birth certificate, he has lived with you and the mother since birth, you are still a family unit and, hopefully, he has junior siblings also sprung from your accursed loins. If he has such siblings then sort out their registration asap and at the same time make an application for your 18 year old to be granted equal status at the UKBA's discretion. Despite the rubbish spouted by the ignorant the Secretary of State does exercise discretion in these matters and can be pragmatic. In your case they may well treat your son favourably so as not to break up the family unit should that prospect arise. It's a slim chance but worth doing.

Needless to say you should get a decent representative to assist you since you are patently ill equipped to go it alone as evidenced by your inability to comprehend something so simple as the basis of a visa application.

Grief.....no wonder Drummond wipes the floor with you.

Perhaps he could use the 'American lawyer' at PAPPA who advertises here.

**samran** · 10-01-2011, 02:18 PM

Originally Posted by thegent

Sometimes Dog you really do come across as being a bit, well, thick.

I can't believe you didn't register your son for British citizenship when you had the chance. Now he's 18 you can't apply under Section 3 (1) BNA 1981, you stupid twat. However, all may not be lost provided you are indeed the named father on the birth certificate, he has lived with you and the mother since birth, you are still a family unit and, hopefully, he has junior siblings also sprung from your accursed loins. If he has such siblings then sort out their registration asap and at the same time make an application for your 18 year old to be granted equal status at the UKBA's discretion. Despite the rubbish spouted by the ignorant the Secretary of State does exercise discretion in these matters and can be pragmatic. In your case they may well treat your son favourably so as not to break up the family unit should that prospect arise. It's a slim chance but worth doing.

Needless to say you should get a decent representative to assist you since you are patently ill equipped to go it alone as evidenced by your inability to comprehend something so simple as the basis of a visa application.

Grief.....no wonder Drummond wipes the floor with you.

I wanted to say the same thing, but was too polite.

Yep - OP is a bit, well no actually, really thick in this case. Child is/was eligible for a British passport but all he seems intent on doing is picking a fight with the embassy.....to his son's detriment.

**oxyjohn** · 10-01-2011, 03:23 PM

The British Embassy will never let it be known what the precise requirements are for the various visas as then everyone who applied would make sure they hit the mark on every requirement and then the embassy wouldn't be able to refuse anyone. Its always been a lottery applying for a visa just overwhelm them with evidence, hundreds of bank statements, copies of every page of passports, details of your mothers circumstances, photos of her home, photos of you and your son etc etc etc.

**nigelandjan** · 11-01-2011, 02:25 AM

^ couldnt agree with you more Oxy ,,,, I have given that advice to people for a long time now , but usually falls on deaf ears ,, people seem to think they can muddle through , but these embassy people aint here to help anyone except the UK gov to keep anyone out they can , and non EU,s are the ones they can wipe the floor with for sure

**CaptainNemo** · 11-01-2011, 06:01 AM

Originally Posted by DrAndy

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

have to tick on their software; and stops them asking more questions! You need about £2,000 in your bank account, and 3-6 months of statements to show that you haven't just transferred it in there, and that you are good for a grand or two a month, and have some savings they can target (in theory).

nope, you need what will support the lifestyle in the application form

so, if you are staying with relatives, there will be no accomodation costs, for instance

and they have never asked for previous statements from myself, it doesn't matter when the money appeared, that is irrelevant (as is most of the bureaucracy)

Nope... the £2,000 is based on the rough calculation I did for him further back in the thread... it's not a set figure, I just came up with a methodology for him to try. His visa app should be pretty straightforward. The only grey area for me is how many rooms/beds you might need to show you have for any given number of guests on a tourist visa (i.e. family members staying at your house, if you live there, and how much detail you might give about your sleeping arrangements!).

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

I think the mistake people often make when dealing with these people to imagine that they are having a conversation with them, and that you can ask specific questions and get specific answers. I think it's better if you treat them as robots.

You just need to present it like a simple spreadsheet, I would have thought.

(Maximum) Duration of stay: 42 days (i.e. 6 weeks)
Start date of stay: 1st of June 2011
End date of stay: 12th of July 2011
Weekly accommodation: free, supplied by relative
Proof of suffient space in accommodation for duration of specified period: estate agent's/architects plans of house layout (?!)
Proof of sufficient vacancy in accommodation for specified period: council tax bill/electoral roll letter enclosed as proof of number of residents in accommodation
Budget for alternative accommodation (£/wk): e.g. £30/day for 42 days
Proof of medical insurance for duration of specified period: like a BUPA and Denplan policy or STA travel insurance perhaps?
Budget for food (£/day): e.g.: £10/day for 42 days
Budget for travel (£/wk): £20/wk? (includes costings for any planned sightseeing trips
Passport validity
Birth Cert.
Plane Tickets

So a rough guess at a figure is looking like around about £2,000, excluding air fares, and assuming you get a sensible health insurance package.

I can't see them responding to this:

Originally Posted by dirtydog

how much should I pay into his account over the next 6 months

Originally Posted by oxyjohn

The British Embassy will never let it be known what the precise requirements are for the various visas as then everyone who applied would make sure they hit the mark on every requirement and then the embassy wouldn't be able to refuse anyone. Its always been a lottery applying for a visa just overwhelm them with evidence, hundreds of bank statements, copies of every page of passports, details of your mothers circumstances, photos of her home, photos of you and your son etc etc etc.

I'm amazed at how many people don't get it... they seem to think it's a mystic art.

It's really simple... you just state how many people for how many days, write a single sentence summarising what the trip is for; and then list a plausible breakdown of all the obvious costs involved.
Tot it up, and that's how much you need in your account... and, lets see, if you're going to be providing 3 months of bank statements, what they should show is that you didn't just transfer that money in last night, but that it's a minority proportion of your monthly income.

e.g.: £2,000 / 3 = £700-ish, so if you earn £1,000 a month, it might raise questions, under some circumstances; but if your income is £1,500 a month, and you live in a country where you only need £500 a month to live on, then it's clearly not going to raise any eyebrows.

It's not a lottery; it's a filter...

I imagine that DrAndy was probably a lot more organised and to the point with his dealings with the visa staff.

I've sat in that embassy building and overheard conversations and seen people who've travelled for ages to get there be a complete disorganised mess and not understand and get really upset with the staff, because they (the applicants) can't work out (or accept), that they are the ones who are the dolts because they didn't prepare properly or understand the process or the point of the process.
I guess for some people it's reminiscent of going into the DSS or the bank (depending on your TEFLing experience) and chucking a few bits of paper through and gorping at the counter staff and expecting them to "serve you" like you're a customer... but you're not a customer, you're an applicant, and their job is not to tell you the right answers, but to tell you the right questions - to ask yourself. They have to justify the decision to issue the visa to a manager, who ultimately is the bitch of a minister who gets grief from dolts who Speke There Branes about immigration and give the trollpapers a lob on about it... all protecting their rings from the orcs... why do you expect a visa official to offer up their tuppence as a blame monkey for your visa? Would you? No!

Originally Posted by nigelandjan

these embassy people aint here to help anyone except the UK gov to keep anyone out they can

You are having a laugh... there have been more people let in to the UK during Labour's reign of terror than in the entire history of humans living on the British Isles... huge numbers from non-EU. Many of them should never have even got further than the interview.

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