Thread: 2 passports

Originally Posted by superman

I was under the impression that UK citizens did not actually need a passport to enter the country

How would they know that you're a UK citizen without a passport (or other ID such as DL or State ID Card)?

Originally Posted by Stalking Tosser

Can I ask how the fuck they check on UK visa overstay?

Course you can, but ask someone else, it is not relevant to what I said about your inept involvement earlier in the piece.

As for the rest of your garbage, put it in English and give us all a chance to figure out what you are on about.

Originally Posted by Stalking Tosser

Can I ask how the fuck they check on UK visa overstay?

They look at the expiry date on the visa

With a UK visa you must leave before the visa itself expires, unlike Thailand where the visa just gets you through the gate and the permission to stay stamp determines how long you can remain.

Originally Posted by Stalking Tosser

It gets stamped back in and no swipe

the reverse is true

Originally Posted by Stalking Tosser

How do they know if some stays away longer than the terms of the ILR - 2 years?

that actually raises an interesting point

never mind the ILR

if you want to get a UK passport, over three years you cannot be out of the country more than 3 months a year, on average

I wonder how they can check on that?

Originally Posted by superman

Sorry to say ST but they do scan.

There was a considerable build up of arriving passengers at LHR T1 on Friday afternoon = perhaps 100 people queueing for the 3 UK/EU/EEA/Swiss Immigration desks. Normally I cruise through almost without stopping.

By contrast, the 'foreigners' queue was short.

It turns out that they are swiping all passports. To what purpose, I wonder. Hardly to maintain a log of arrivals and departures (not that that would be right for UK citizens anyway), when passports are not checked on departure.

Some travellers were questioned. The person in front of me was asked four, of which one was about his frequency of travel.

My own polite question 'why are you swiping passports?' was met with the non-answer 'yes, we're swiping all passports now'.

I was under the impression that UK citizens did not actually need a passport to enter the country. Now it seems a machinbe-readable passport is needed.

We may to have to agree that they don't scan all the time. When I worked from the UK I probably took a flight a week for 15 years on average. I can say that my passport was never scanned, but then again my baggage was never searched - just luck or they are looking for someone.

Originally Posted by DrAndy

Originally Posted by Stalking Tosser

How do they know if some stays away longer than the terms of the ILR - 2 years?

that actually raises an interesting point

never mind the ILR

if you want to get a UK passport, over three years you cannot be out of the country more than 3 months a year, on average

I wonder how they can check on that?

Actually if you delve deeper it seems it is down to the discretion of the Entry Clearance Officer. You are also alllowed up to one year in some circumstances. It would seem, that since I know my wife's passport and ILR was only checked on the way out, that they only know that she has come back.

I suspect that they believe that to lie on the form for citizenship would be a form of obtaining an advantage by deception that this will deter most.

She will be back in the UK to take the test at Xmas time (despite being qualified as a teacher) then, as far as I can see, the best thing is to report to a checking centre, where they record the test pass, the ILR details and the passport number and process the application, passport returned - after that, I think there is 3 months after notification to attend the ceremony. Once the cert is issued then she can apply for the passport at her leisure.

To further answer your question, I'm pretty sure that if you go back with your wife and fill in a landing card only on returning, then there is no way they have a clue how long she has been away.

Originally Posted by More Volts Igor

Originally Posted by Stalking Tosser

Can I ask how the fuck they check on UK visa overstay?

They look at the expiry date on the visa

With a UK visa you must leave before the visa itself expires, unlike Thailand where the visa just gets you through the gate and the permission to stay stamp determines how long you can remain.

Our man left with his kiddy, his UK passport had expired so he waved his Thai passport which was not checked according to him - if this is the case, how do they check on the validitity of the visa, thus the question.

Exactly the same in the UK - it is up to the clearance officer how long you stay.

yes, they used to do that, so your wifes previous passports would have stamps

nowadays it is all done by computer, so swiping is the thing

Originally Posted by Stalking Tosser

Our man left with his kiddy, his UK passport had expired so he waved his Thai passport which was not checked according to him - if this is the case, how do they check on the validitity of the visa, thus the question.

I didn't say it wasn't checked, of course they checked it, you seem to love putting words into peoples mouths, that's when you are not inventing the topic of conversation to suit yourself.

It didn't have an entry stamp in it as the passport had been issued in London, but they didn't make any comment about the fact that he did not have a visa in there, they just checked to see that he was the person in it. It was a very hectic evening the place was heaving, whether the officer did anything against procedure I cannot categorically say. Everyone else was using UK passports.

It did not receive an exit stamp, they never do from the UK.

Bob - this is a thread about T-H-A-I-L-A-N-D so piss off and keep your nose out of it. As an aside, there is no way that you kiddy got out on the Thai passport unless of course he or she had an ILR visa in it, no way at all. If that was the case then the wouldn't bother putting a validity period on the visa, would they? it would be up to the holder when the felt like leaving - according to you they don't check the date.

If your kiddy carried his original passport with an ILR in in then your statement may hold some weight - but Bob, surely, then all a visa overstayer would have to do is go to their overseas embassy and apply for a new passport?

We have also ascertained that an exit stamp is not given to those that hold ILR, but it IS given to those that hold limited stay visas.

Now, just as you would say "pull your slime ridden neck in" just a little and try and remember what actually happened.

Did you remember to renew the kiddies UK passport yet?

Originally Posted by DrAndy

yes, they used to do that, so your wifes previous passports would have stamps

nowadays it is all done by computer, so swiping is the thing

No, her very first Indo passport had a spouse visa, this was stamped in and out but never scanned - 100% sure, immigration told me that she could enter through the UK channel if she was with me and the kids, after 3 years and 1 passport she got ILR, there was only ever a stamp coming in to the UK, never going out, and unless she was to use Iris then there would be no record. The ILR has never been transfered to the newer passports. When she goes back later this year to take the silly test, they will stamp the new passport and she will fill in a landing card - no scanning as she will enter through the UK channel with the kids who hold UK and Indo passports.
If she was to enter through the normal counter then I suspect she would get scanned - however she is still never scanned on the way out - so I think, to answer your question, that it is down to the individual to be honest on the application form for citizenship, read into that what you will.

Originally Posted by Stalking Tosser

however she is still never scanned on the way out -

you may notice that they scan the boarding card in security

that is linked and does the same thing as your info is all there

Originally Posted by Stalking Tosser

Bob - this is a thread about T-H-A-I-L-A-N-D so piss off and keep your nose out of it.

As it was when you started off on your tedious Singapore Indonesia story, but yes your right, it should end there and you'll show us how........

Oh....no you won't, motor gob is off again......

As an aside, there is no way that you kiddy got out on the Thai passport (YES I DID) unless of course he or she had an ILR visa in it (NO HE DIDN'T) , no way at all (YES WAY). If that was the case then the wouldn't bother putting a validity period on the visa, would they? it would be up to the holder when the felt like leaving - according to you they don't check the date.

If your kiddy carried his original passport with an ILR in in then your statement may hold some weight - but Bob, surely, then all a visa overstayer would have to do is go to their overseas embassy and apply for a new passport?

We have also ascertained that an exit stamp is not given to those that hold ILR, but it IS given to those that hold limited stay visas.

Now, just as you would say "pull your slime ridden neck in" just a little and try and remember what actually happened.

Jeez you're a dill.

Firstly a British Citizen cannot have an ILR in another passport, in fact a UK citizen cannot have any UK visa of any sort put into another passport at all. I know that's true because I checked with the FCO just yesterday. (Yes of course someone who was on an ILR before achieving citizenship doesn't count).

Secondly as I clearly stated, the passport was newly issued in London to a UK citizen, therefore he never required an ILR in the first place. It would not have been stamped in, how could it have been? Maybe the officer incorrectly assumed something when dealing with a 3 year old, but I don't care, that is what happened.

Thirdly, I was there and know exactly what happened. You weren't, you don't. That is the simple fact, live with it.

Did you remember to renew the kiddies UK passport yet?

His has been renewed twice since this incident. Thanks for asking though. Your concern is somewhat touching (if not a wee bit scary).

Originally Posted by Bobcock

Firstly a British Citizen cannot have an ILR in another passport, in fact a UK citizen cannot have any UK visa of any sort put into another passport at all

why would they want to waste their money!!?

I enquired if it could be done so if they lost their UK passports whilst travelling they'd be able to get back to the UK on their Thai passports.

I was told that it is not allowed for any type of visa to be put into the second passport of a UK passport holder.

I was told a UK passport holder is expected to enter the UK on that passport and that passport only. I was also told in the event of the scenario I mentioned happening they would have to get the problem sorted where they are.