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    Quote Originally Posted by lom
    I've meet people here who think they are here on a 30 day visa, some of them even believes that it is a 30 day "Tourist visa" when all they got is the allowance to enter and stay for 30 days without visa.
    One guy even claimed that this was a 30 day "visa-on-arrival".
    I used to go round and round with Northwest Airlines on this. It used to be (maybe still is) that for a "visa on arrival" you needed to show an onward ticket, but for "entry without visa" you didn't.

    Since I used to buy my RT tickets in Bangkok I wouldn't have an onward ticket when I left Saipan. But I didn't need one because I'd qualify for entry without a visa....

    Just another example of how the lack of precision causes needless problems.

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    Visa rules will be tightened to stop abuse

    Maximum stay of 90 days for foreigners

    By Chatrudee Theparat
    Visa-on-arrival (VOA) regulations will be tightened for nationals of 41 countries to prevent abuse of the privilege and curb the rising number of illegal entries, according to the Immigration Police Bureau (IPB). Foreign nationals from those countries, including the US, China and India, will be able to stay longer but with fewer chances of renewing the VOA.

    IPB commissioner Suwat Tumrongsiskul said nationals from those specific countries are currently allowed to remain in Thailand for 15 days maximum after the VOA is granted. The VOA is normally renewable once.

    However, some foreigners including tourists ''tiptoe around the law'' by resorting to so-called visa runs to extend their stay. Most take a bus to a border, check out of the country and then return the same day to have the VOA renewed.

    They repeat the practice as many times as they wish, affording them almost unlimited stay in the country. The policy is largely intended to serve tourism.

    Pol Lt-Gen Suwat said the change of the VOA rules is in order.

    In future, foreigners from those 41 countries will be able to stay in the country for 30 days from the first VOA stamp, which will be renewable twice at most, each time for a maximum of 30 days. In other words, a foreigner will be permitted to remain in Thailand for no longer than 90 days in total after three VOA stamps.

    The commissioner said the current system is prone to abuse as many foreign nationals make numerous visa runs so they can stay on long term to do business. In some cases, they have gone unregulated, causing social problems.

    Official figures showed that about 400,000 Chinese nationals were granted a VOA last year, and 18,000 of them have stayed behind.

    Around 200,000 Indians made VOA visits last year and it was found that 16,000 of them have not left.

    Pol Lt-Gen Suwat said the new VOA rules will be put into effect once approved by the Royal Thai Police Office.

    He said more information technology will be employed in the blacklisting system. The IT-operated immigration clearance system is now in use at 15 out of 55 checkpoints nationwide to check in tourists and screen out undesirable individuals. The technology lets the bureau enlarge its database of foreign visitors to identify those on the blacklist and expel them.

    Pol Col Ittipol Ittisarnronnachai, head of the Pattaya immigration centre, said its IT-operated database is shared by many hotels and resorts in Pattaya to help track down blacklisted people. The technology has been credited with weakening the local mafia network.

    The Betong immigration centre in Yala is also using the system to trace people of dual nationality, some of whom are believed to be behind the southern strife.

    Pol Lt-Gen Suwat said more authority to issue visas will be delegated to regional IPB offices.
    At present, IPB chief inspectors are authorised to grant visas, and in future their deputies will also be able to approve visa requests
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    Quote Originally Posted by RDN
    Link please, I'll do it!
    Visa (document) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickA View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by RDN
    Link please, I'll do it!
    Visa (document) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Cheers Nick, I'll have a look.


    Quote Originally Posted by peterpan View Post
    From Todays Bangkok post

    Visa rules will be tightened to stop abuse

    Maximum stay of 90 days for foreigners

    By Chatrudee Theparat
    Visa-on-arrival (VOA) regulations will be tightened for nationals of 41 countries to prevent abuse of the privilege and curb the rising number of illegal entries...
    Yes, yet another "must see" post at TV: Visa Rules Will Be Tightened. All the usual suspects whingeing about why Thailand should let them stay indefinitely on 30 day "Tourist" stamps. And all the other long-stayers telling them to bugger off or "get legal". I'm glad to see we're not bothering to discuss it here.


    Oops - apart from me.


    Sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NickA View Post
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    Link please, I'll do it!
    Visa (document) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Done. I just changed the title of that paragraph from:

    Extending a Visa
    to:

    Extending The Authorized Period Of Stay

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    Quote Originally Posted by Old Codger View Post
    ^ Our hero
    Please, don't make me blush. It was dead easy actually. Anyone with a mind to, could do some serious damage to Wikipedia.

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    Tuesday, September 12, 2006
    On-arrival visas: 90 days and you’re out!

    PHUKET: Phuket’s Immigration Chief has confirmed that Thailand will crack down on foreigners working illegally in the country by ending its policy of issuing an unlimited number of consecutive “visas on arrival” – tourist visas that allow the holder to stay a maximum of 15 or 30 days.

    The crackdown is intended to stop foreigners – typically bar owners and other small businessmen without work permits – from using the visas to stay in the country indefinitely while working illegally.

    Pol Col Bunphot Kongkrachan, Acting Superintendent of the Phuket Immigration Office, told the Gazette that from October 1 onward, Immigration checkpoints around the country will limit to three the number of consecutive visas on arrival they will grant a single visitor.

    After the third consecutive visa on arrival has expired, the passport holder must leave the country and wait 90 days before being allowed back into Thailand on that type of visa.

    The move effectively limits the length of stay for those entering the country with this visa class to 45 or 90 days.

    The 41 countries whose citizens qualify for visas on arrival include Thailand’s top sources of tourists - almost all Western European countries, the United States, Canada, Australia, Japan, Singapore and many more.

    Col Bunphot said that all Immigration chiefs nationwide have been ordered to attend a meeting at Immigration headquarters in Bangkok on September 15, during which the new, stricter regulations will be explained in detail.

    “I will make a more detailed statement about the new situation within a week of returning from the meeting,” he said.

    Suwalai Pinpradab, Director of the Tourism Authority of Thailand’s South Region 4 Office in Phuket, downplayed the potential impact of the new rule on Phuket’s all-important tourism industry.

    “I don’t think it will affect tourism revenue in Phuket very much because foreign businessmen holding work permits will still be able to work. The only ones who will be affected will be people who are working illegally and prolonging their stays by making visa run after visa run,” she said.

    “My concern is the coming high season. I sympathize with Immigration, which has too few officers. I am afraid that they will be swamped with work and that there will be a slowdown in service [at Immigration checkpoints],” she said.

    Executive Visa Run conducts runs to Ranong and recently started a service to Penang in Malaysia. A representative there, who requested anonymity, told the Gazette that word of the new regulations had created a great deal of confusion.

    “Immigration here in Phuket doesn’t know what’s going on because they’ve not received any guidelines yet from Bangkok. Yesterday, when we made inquiries, nobody there could tell us anything,” he said.

    When asked if there were a lot of people making “visa hops” to get new visas on arrival, he said, “Oh, there’s a lot. Really. It’s unbelievable, the amount.”

    He added, “I think it will have a huge impact. You listen to all this about how they only want the rich people to stay here. There are a lot of people who stay here on low incomes – and they cause no problems. They just get on with their lives,” he said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirtydog View Post
    The visa starts upon arrival.
    No, that's not right. The visa starts at the date of issue in the issuing country. So my 12 month Visa B was issued in the UK on 17th October 2004, but I didn't use it until 1 November when I arrived in Thailand.

    So, that was the first use of the entries I was allowed. 90 days later, I had to leave the country to get a new entry permit for another 90 days.

    And so on until I got to the day before the last day the visa expired when I dodged out again for another 90 days. If I'd have left it 2 more days, the 12 mobnths the visa was valid for would have expired and I wouldn't have gotr the other 90 days.

    The visa and the entry permit are two entirely separate things. The visa must be used within 12 months of the date it was issued. You could get a visa on the 1st of January but not enter Thailand until 30th December. You'd then have lost the multi-entry part of your visa and only get 90 days stay.
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    It would have been more correct if I said your 90 days starts on arrival which is what I meant, also you are not taking into account single entry visas which have a validity of 6 months I believe but only allow one entry of 90 days plus an extenstension of 30 days or can be converted into a yearly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Fixit
    No, that's not right. The visa starts at the date of issue
    Absolutely correct.
    Please join the clan, I think there are now 8 of us on here who understand what a visa is.

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    So is this really going to effect me working 35 out of the country and 35 in thailand as I normaly just go to immirgration and get a 14 day extention so I dont get VOA back to back

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thetyim
    Please join the clan, I think there are now 8 of us on here who understand what a visa is.
    7 Thetyim, until you have understood the difference between TVE and VOA
    (your posts in the other visa thread)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thetyim View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Fixit
    No, that's not right. The visa starts at the date of issue
    Absolutely correct.
    Please join the clan, I think there are now 8 of us on here who understand what a visa is.
    Ditto - absolutely correct. My original visa was a single entry O-A visa valid for three months. I arrived half way through it's validity period and I've been here four years - extending my "temporary stay" every year using form TM7.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thetyim View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Fixit
    No, that's not right. The visa starts at the date of issue
    Absolutely correct.
    Please join the clan, I think there are now 8 of us on here who understand what a visa is.
    Thank you kind sir! But 'tain't rocket science is it?

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    FYI>>>, Northworse Airlines has always made me have an exit flight booked within the 30 days of my arrival in BKk, I just book a flight to Phnom Penh, and cancel it when I arrive in BKK. Pervert update;, after 8 years of visiting LOS, and all surrounding countries for visa runs, I was for the first time searched comming in to USA, via Detriot, they took my laptop and serched it for porno, i guess kiddie porn, they asked me if there was anything on it that "SHOULDN"T BE", i replied, no just some nudity(ART PHOTOS). After having to get a "TECHI" to figure out how to operate my MAC, I was on my way. This was in late April (2006), long b4 the Jon Bena Ramsey thingy... This may also shed some light on how some people think of Thailand...!!!!

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    If I `get a current income letter(from the States), how current must it be?

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