So Who Knows What ?

**Mike Watson** · 28-05-2017, 04:35 AM

@ Wasp

Why not speak to your dead mates brother and ask him to send x amount to the lady in Thailand for say 1 year which will allow her time to move forward ? (based on proof of how much was transferred each time)

After that, then it's game over.

**toddaniels** · 28-05-2017, 08:20 AM

As people have kept asking, have you even found out if they were "legally married" rather than just the face gaining, dog-n-pony-show wedding party for the thai in-lawz & out-lawz?

Show them this เคยจดทะเบียนสมรสที่อำเภอไหม <-which reads "did you ever register the marriage at the amphur?" If the answer is ไม่เคย they never did.

Then show her this picture which is one of the two marriage documents they'd get IF they did indeed register the marriage. If she never got that they never registered the marriage..

I'd say you're tryin' to push a rope helping her, but you feel free to keep pushin' it

**Norton** · 28-05-2017, 09:08 AM

Originally Posted by Wasp

Now they are able to read it and they still don't know what it is !!!!

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Personally, if they are this stupid I would just fuck them off.

Originally Posted by toddaniels

I'd say you're tryin' to push a rope helping her, but you feel free to keep pushin' it

Ditto.

**Seekingasylum** · 28-05-2017, 11:01 AM

Err, this woman has been to the UK several times by all accounts having been issued successive visit visas by Be Bangkok. She will have retained hard copies of the application forms together with copies of the accompanying documentation - it is inconceivable that she has not squirrelled them away somewhere. Get someone to speak to her about these and to confirm the amphur marriage.

**OhOh** · 28-05-2017, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

If the chap had suffered a serious accident and was not expected to survive, the UKVI would have issued a visit visa within 24 hours in her circumstances given her previous history and record of compliance.

Would UKVI be equally thoughtful if returning for a funeral accompanied by a Thai wife who hasn't been previouslu issued with a visit visa?

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Back on topic, the bank will automatically freeze his account on becoming aware of his death

One, if one has the bank account holder legal permission, some legal agreement in place previously issued - finacial gaurdian for the mostly gaga oldies, they are able to empty the account and then inform the bank, by telephone and sending a copy of the death certificate. Thus grabbing all even if not willed it.

Dual signatures are sometimes required and beneficial to ensure correct procedures are adhered to. One assumes the named guardians could also sell the house and pocket the proceeds and run off to another country

. It's the financial protectors word against a dead , possibly gaga, person. The value of dead persons estate bequeathed in the will is calculated presumably, when the assets are divided.

Unfortunately when my father died I informed the bank prior it being divided according to his will instead of clearing it out prior, you live and learn.

He did have a will but it took a month or so before all the processes were completed.

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

The deceased bank accounts should have been frozen the moment the death certificate was to hand.

Suggestion, clear the account if legally enabled, prior to informing the bank.

Originally Posted by buriramboy

If there is no will and they are not legally married she has a claim to exactly fuk all.

There does seem to be UK recognition to most couples who have lived together either married legally or not, pensions child care etc.. I'm not 100% sure if 6 months a year counts as cohabiting legally though.

The husband must have had an income above the visit visa requirements or the lady is a hiso with millions in the Thai bank.

**Wasp** · 29-05-2017, 02:05 AM

Originally Posted by Mike Watson

@ Wasp

Why not speak to your dead mates brother and ask him to send x amount to the lady in Thailand for say 1 year which will allow her time to move forward ? (based on proof of how much was transferred each time)

After that, then it's game over.

He was not my mate . Met him once . The lady has tried getting information from the brother but he's a stone wall .

**Wasp** · 29-05-2017, 02:13 AM

An interesting Post there Oh Oh !

How does this look ? .............

It looks the genuine thing .

And yes I am pushing a length of rope . But nobody else can help out .

Wasp

**BaitongBoy** · 29-05-2017, 02:52 AM

Looks like a good start...

**toddaniels** · 29-05-2017, 08:45 AM

Now you're getting somewhere, although I dunno how far that somewhere is.

At least she was legally married to him;

Mr Derrick Kiernan
Miss Yatapad Jirapadchokudom
Nakhon Ratchasima
marriage certificate number 2325/99659
14 Dec 2554

I don't know what the date 05/01/2102 means

Good Luck..

**Wasp** · 29-05-2017, 01:30 PM

Impressive !

But the date's right isn't it ?

**BaitongBoy** · 29-05-2017, 02:03 PM

14th December, 2011?...

**Seekingasylum** · 29-05-2017, 03:57 PM

Err, I have no idea quite why anyone should wonder what to do next.

She is his lawful wife, as recognised by the GRO, and that marriage is subsisting. Under the rules of intestacy, she is now automatically entitled to the deceased's estate, entirely.

If the family are not prepared to apply to be appointed as administrators of the estate then she should instruct solicitors on her behalf to be appointed.

Once fees are paid and taxes or debts cleared then she should be in line for a tidy sum, Thai wise.

Wasp it is a burden but not particularly onerous. If the brother or remaining other family members are not interested because they will not get a penny, then perhaps you should undertake the task in return for a reasonable fee. It is not beyond the ken of anyone with a reasonable brain.

Good for her.

**Thedogsbollix** · 29-05-2017, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by Wasp

It's very easy for dogsbollix to say that any farang who cared would make sure his wife was provided for . So it must mean if you haven't done it then you don't care . But that's just stupid thinking .
There are plenty of people who mean to do the work and don't get round to it . They are not expecting to be struck down first .Wasp

What a lot of fuking bullshit that is.

It's so easy, cheap and quick to do a standard will in Thailand even a retard could do it.

I was in and out in under 30 minutes, made an appointment and job done. I"m only slightly retarded and i managed to do the fookin thing.

Any arese wipe Farang who has not provided for his tart simply has no interest in her future in the event he kicks off.

Fair enough if this is how it is, many of the farang are just hanging out with slag dogs so fair call.

If ya have any interest in ones Bint you will have her sorted.

So this guys net worth was 20K and a fuking Caravan. ?????

Rea top catch he was huh.

**buriramboy** · 29-05-2017, 09:34 PM

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

Err, I have no idea quite why anyone should wonder what to do next.

She is his lawful wife, as recognised by the GRO, and that marriage is subsisting. Under the rules of intestacy, she is now automatically entitled to the deceased's estate, entirely.

If the family are not prepared to apply to be appointed as administrators of the estate then she should instruct solicitors on her behalf to be appointed.

Once fees are paid and taxes or debts cleared then she should be in line for a tidy sum, Thai wise.

Wasp it is a burden but not particularly onerous. If the brother or remaining other family members are not interested because they will not get a penny, then perhaps you should undertake the task in return for a reasonable fee. It is not beyond the ken of anyone with a reasonable brain.

Good for her.

As there is no will she will be the main beneficiary but only entitled to it all if the deceased has no children. The law is quite clear how things are divided up in the case of no will, even if he has children she will still get the lions share though.

**buriramboy** · 29-05-2017, 09:45 PM

Actually I will offer a half hearted apology to SeekingAss as in this case he is correct, estates worth less than £250,000 with no will and the surviving spouse will have the lot, over £250,000 and the wife would get the first £250,000 with the rest then shared out between the wife, children etc. Just not used to knowing people who die with so little.

**Iceman123** · 29-05-2017, 09:53 PM

Just a thought, if the guy died of poor health as stated, there was no emergency. If he had any intention whatsoever of taking care of the Thai wife -

A - He would have been in contact with her detailing his circumstances and instructing her how to access funds should he die, if this was his wish.

B - it seems an odd relationship where the wife is so scant on his details, having limited or virtually no contact with him, and is only now chasing the cash. Was there any serious mourning on her part?

Sounds to me like the relationship was over!

Sometimes it is better to keep away from these situations.
If you really want to help Wasp - contact the brother and ask him to explain all circumstances.
Based upon that information, this may lead you to what action if any you should take.

**David48atTD** · 30-05-2017, 02:16 AM

Now, just playing the Devil's Advocate.

We've seen the relevant Marriage Certificate, but what happens if they divorced at a later date ... where would that be recorded?

Does he have any children from other relationships?
.

**Mike Watson** · 30-05-2017, 02:34 AM

Would the signature followed by 05/01/2012 be required if a divorce was indeed sought and granted ?

**toddaniels** · 30-05-2017, 12:44 PM

You don't hafta take the one with the roses around it to the Amphur to get a divorce.

You take the other one they give you when you get married. It's the one that looks like a form all in thai.

That's why at many immigration offices they want an updated copy of that form from the Amphur again.

I don't know what the signature and date mean though...

**Wasp** · 30-05-2017, 01:56 PM

It was a request whether there is some kind of special visa to enable someone swiftly to travel.

That was the enquiry . And speedily it becomes abuse . " If someone cared enough they would have done A .... B ...... C ..... "

That's how women speak !!

" If you cared about me you would buy me this , you would not do this , you would pay for this . " It's nagging female behaviour .
" If he cared he should have done this . He didn't get around to it -- so clearly he didn't care !! " Idiots.

There are lots of low-class websites full of sniping , foul-mouthed morons like this but Teakdoor for a long time was not like that .
It has changed . Unfortunately .

Wasp

**Seekingasylum** · 30-05-2017, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by toddaniels

I don't know what the signature and date mean though...

I suspect it was the deceased who authenticated the document when he submitted it in support of his wife's visit visa application.

Wasp, the way ahead is clear as I have already outlined.

Frankly, there is no more to be gained by this thread.

**Wasp** · 30-05-2017, 05:13 PM

You are right .

The basic question was answered a while ago ... and the ancillary stuff about Probate has started in the UK.

You've been particularly helpful Seekingasylum .

My thanks .

Wasp

**Wasp** · 30-05-2017, 05:25 PM

Iceman : "If he had any intention whatsoever of taking care of the Thai wife -

A - He would have been in contact with her detailing his circumstances and instructing her how to access funds should he die, if this was his wish.
Maybe .
Or maybe he was expecting to get a bit better and then deal with things . Maybe being ill was more of a problem than anticipating dying and getting the paperwork all tidied up .

B - it seems an odd relationship where the wife is so scant on his details, having limited or virtually no contact with him, and is only now chasing the cash. Was there any serious mourning on her part?
Well if you decide to use a phrase like ' chasing the cash ' it's pretty clear what your attitude is .
She was also chasing the debts to get those paid . But best not credit somebody with any good intentions when you can make up bad intentions .

Sounds to me like the relationship was over! Sounds to me like you jump to only negative thoughts !

Wasp

**buriramboy** · 30-05-2017, 05:38 PM

Well now you've established they are legally married and the estate is worth less than £250,000 she is entitled to the lot, at least I've learnt something as I never knew about the £250k limit.

**Iceman123** · 30-05-2017, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by Wasp

Iceman : "If he had any intention whatsoever of taking care of the Thai wife -

A - He would have been in contact with her detailing his circumstances and instructing her how to access funds should he die, if this was his wish.
Maybe .
Or maybe he was expecting to get a bit better and then deal with things . Maybe being ill was more of a problem than anticipating dying and getting the paperwork all tidied up .

B - it seems an odd relationship where the wife is so scant on his details, having limited or virtually no contact with him, and is only now chasing the cash. Was there any serious mourning on her part?
Well if you decide to use a phrase like ' chasing the cash ' it's pretty clear what your attitude is .
She was also chasing the debts to get those paid . But best not credit somebody with any good intentions when you can make up bad intentions .

Sounds to me like the relationship was over! Sounds to me like you jump to only negative thoughts !

Wasp

My apologies if you did not appreciate my two pence worth.
I hope it all turns out satisfactorily for all concerned and you get your "cut"

In the meantime feel free to fire more dumb queries at the forum, before you execute yet another of your mini flounces - thin skinned egit!

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