Thread: Help required deciphering a visa please.

A little background info first. It's not my visa. It's an elderly German's who's wife is ill and can't go with him to the imm office. He was on an annual extension, but for reasons unknown he's changed to a whatever. May be cause his wife being ill she can't help him. He doesn't speak Thai or English and my German is only slightly better than his English.

Anyways he reported, or overstayed, and they done him for the maximum fine on 1 Oct '15. They gave him a stamp until 30 Oct '15 and charged him 1,900 Baht. He is, and I am, confused that he has an 'Extension of Stay until 29 November '15.

Why are you confused? his visa has expired.

The extension of stay will give him time to sort out his new retirement visa.

So when is his next report date, 30 Oct or 29 Nov?

He needs to apply for a new visa by the look of it.

Originally Posted by Dillinger

He needs to apply for a new visa by the look of it.

By which date?

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

29 November '15.

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

By which date?

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He needs to be out of the country on 28th. If he leaves on 29th that is classed as 1 day over stay.

Nice immigration bloke giving him 2 months to sort things out like that.

So the 'Permit of Stay' til 29 Nov over-rides the 30 day permit to 30 Oct. Is that correct?

Okay. Thanks to all posters. I'll tell him that he needs to get himself to the German embassy before 28 Nov '15 and get proof of money etc. Then go back to Imm and get his Retirement Extension.

What are the two blue stamps dated 1 October? (one is an oval shape, the other a squashed octagon). Did he do a border run?

The triangular one is 'Departed Thailand' stamp. The other 2 are Cambodian. So I assume he did an exit/re-entry on 01 Oct? How he got the 60 day stamp I wouldn't know.
Due to not speaking English I'd imagine he'd have caused them big headaches and just wanted shot of him?

The way I read it- he got 30 days on re entry , then he's gone the immigration office and he has paid 1900 baht to extend ft for a further 30 days.

^ Yes, it looks like that, Dillinger. He left the country at the Cambodian border, did an about turn, got a 30 day (G7 visa exempt) tourist stamp in his passport, and on the same day paid 1900 bat for the extra 30 days (60 days).

Originally Posted by toddaniels

Now, it appears after they gave him that 30 day permission to stay stamp, they also 'sold' him a "60 day visit my thai wife extension" dated from 1 Oct 2015 to the 29 Nov 2015.

I have no idea what the TR is because it can't be 'tourist' seeing as you can't get tourist visas inside the country..

He got a 30 day visa exempt stamp (tourist) at the border on 1 October.

You guys are right!!

I didn't pay any attention to the departure thai stamp or the in/out cambodian stamps... I can't read the border crossings on any of them.

He got his 30 day visa exempt stamp (or who ever took his passport to the border for him did) then he got a 1900baht 30 day extension at immigration. Seeing as they add that to the end of your current permission to stay, that's why he's good for 2 months.

How far is Kap Choeng immigration from a border crossing anyway?

Originally Posted by toddaniels

How far is Kap Choeng immigration from a border crossing anyway?

14km.

Originally Posted by toddaniels

How far is Kap Choeng immigration from a border crossing anyway?

About 10 minutes - Chong Chom

I've been and told him that his Visa expires before 29 Nov and asked if he was then going to apply for a 12 month extension. He says 'no'. He wants to do a exit/re-entry to get 30 days, then go back and get 60 days. Thereafter get an annual 'Retirement Extension.
So the question is, can he get the 30 days followed by the 60 days to make 3 months?

Looks like the immigration folks have been trying to help him now is the time for him to get on the stick and get it done

Originally Posted by navynine

Looks like the immigration folks have been trying to help him now is the time for him to get on the stick and get it done

I agree but he's a fish outa water without his missus help. And now Kap Choeng is making life harder for long stayers by changing the rules and not telling people beforehand.

That's gonna totally be up to immigrations, there are NO rules written for how many times you can enter on a visa exempt and then get a 30 day extension of stay.

It seems like KCI was indeed tryin' to get him the most time to sort out his affairs for his subsequent extension.

I'd tell that guy to get his shit together, because he could be pushing it thinkin' he's gonna wring 4 months worth of stay (the 2 he has and then 2 more) outta KCI.

What was the guys reason for NOT getting a year extension of stay? Christ he has a thai wife and he's over 50, he could go either way.

Why doesn't he get a 60 day visit my thai wife extension, added to what he already has? There's no financial, no nothing, just the marriage certs, wife's i/d, house book, and 1900baht. Or is he not 'really married'?

He's definitely married. The guys reason for not getting his annual extension is due to his wife's illness. I'll come clean. She has HIV and is immobile and needs 24 hour care with regular hospital visits. He was doing all this in the beginning but it got too much for him. He's coming 79 years old and has diabetes. Her daughter who has 2 children under 6 has taken over the care roll, with his help with the hospital visits. All this resulted in his 80 odd days overstay. Immigration is 250km away, round trip. Plus to get his visa he'd need a trip to the German Embassy in Bangkok regarding his pension.
He's a fish out of water and in need of help but his lack of English is a big problem. I'm just trying to help.

It's a good thing you are doing Pragmatic.
Many of us "more mature" folk rely on a partner to help with these matters but don't figure on them getting sick/dying first.
However we all have to jump through hoops at Immi once per year.
Maybe there's a German Expats club that can help out?

http://www.internations.org/thailand-expats/germans

Good of you to be helping this poor guy.
There's a Deutscher Hilfsverein Thailand ev which should be able to help.
Tel 02 2873761
Mobile 083 233 3622
Good luck to both of you.

We all make mistakes in life.
The poor sod's retirement visa expired in July and he heads into Cambodia 1 October and visits Kap Cheong to plead his case after his visa expired.

He really did not help himself in this scenario---Seriously, Prag - advise him in the sternest possible fashion to let his wife's family take care off her while Herr sorts out himself not later - NOW.
Seek out the German help squads and the German Consulate ---not in a week - NOW ! (IMHO)

If he doesn't have the requisite funds (pension plus money in a Thai bank) he'll be spending winter in Bavaria without his wife. Poor sod.

Thanks for all the advice. Unfortunately this German is a difficult sod to advise even though it was him that came to me. I've been and told him what others advised him to do but he's sticking with getting a 30 day extension followed by a 60 day one. I can drive him to immigration and I can speak for him but if his mind is made up then I'm wasting my time. I don't know if it's a German thing?