Police check required.

**mad_dog** · 04-02-2007, 05:39 PM

The formerly easy going RC at Hull now requires a police check if you apply for a non b for teaching. I have nothing to worry about convictions wise but I am only in the UK for three weeks and a friend of mine is conviced they take three months to complete! And as I haven't lived in the UK for five years I am sure it is going to be difficult for me to get certified.....

**shehiredahitman** · 04-02-2007, 05:43 PM

It was taking 3 months a while back, around Aug last year but that was due a massive backlog of applications. I believe the time now is nearer 3 weeks.

**ChiangMai noon** · 04-02-2007, 06:13 PM

Shit.

knew my past would eventually come back to haunt me.
At the moment it doesn't apply to renewals but I guess I can't change jobs now.

**daveboy** · 04-02-2007, 06:27 PM

^
Your not an arsonist by any chance

**shehiredahitman** · 04-02-2007, 06:43 PM

Who, me? A little bit.

**Fabian** · 04-02-2007, 06:56 PM

Three months? Why does it take that long?

**shehiredahitman** · 04-02-2007, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by Fabian

Three months? Why does it take that long?

It doesn't now. That was how long it was taking to clear a backlog of applications. Nowadays it's closer to three weeks. I'm basing this on my friend's - who's a nurse & has to have the same checks - experience.

Another thing though is that there's been a lot of noise here lately over the detalis of people convicted abroad not being entered into the system & the governing bodies are super-paranoid about this right now & may be taking longer again.

Best (possibly only) option is to get your application in well in advance of the date you expect to begin work. Not a prayer of being taken on unless the checks have been made - too many heads have been rolling.

**mrsquirrel** · 04-02-2007, 07:39 PM

Took two weeks for mine.

It's not a complicated thing just a letter saying I have no convictions or prosecutions

I have made one up in photoshop that I will post if can be arsed. It will foool the thais anyways.

**ChiangMai noon** · 04-02-2007, 07:40 PM

^
are you sure you don't have any?
Do spent convictions pop up?

**shehiredahitman** · 04-02-2007, 07:58 PM

The term 'spent' convictions refers to those which after a sufficient period of time (usually 5 years for most offences) do not need to be declared to an employer. ALL convictions (including cautions) will remain on your criminal record - & therefore 'pop up' - even after your dead but cannot be used by an employer to decline you a position - in theory. Some proffesions such as police, nurse, teachers (UK), social workers, etc demand that you declare all convictions, spent or not, due to the vulnerability of the people you will come into contact with.

The actual police check procedure is simply a check on the PNC (police national computer) of the sort you'd get if stopped by the police for any reason whatsoever.

Anybody wishing to get around any of this, simply change your name by deed poll with a solicitor, apply for a new passport & request copies of your qualifications in your new name from wherever you got them from. It's that simple. You can even pop to the DSS, declare you haven't worked before & do not know your NI number. All efforts by them to find it will be fruitless as the person you are doesn't technically exist & they will issue you a new one - after vigourous questioning.

**daveboy** · 04-02-2007, 08:02 PM

^
Can you pop along to your local nick and get it done?

**shehiredahitman** · 04-02-2007, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by daveboy

^
Can you pop along to your local nick and get it done?

No. The Data Protection Act does allow you to apply for a copy of your convictions (not at the nick though) but this isn't satisfactory to the people who want the information as they have to be seen to be going through the proper channels.

Interestingly, the police actually have two sets of information about you. One is your convictions & the other is all about stuff they know you did but didn't couldn't prove or stuff they they suspect you were up to your neck in but they have legal protection from ever being required to disclose this to anyone.

**mrsquirrel** · 04-02-2007, 08:31 PM

**daveboy** · 04-02-2007, 08:32 PM

^^
Interesting stuff

**mrsquirrel** · 04-02-2007, 08:35 PM

Originally Posted by shehiredahitman

Interestingly, the police actually have two sets of information about you. One is your convictions & the other is all about stuff they know you did but didn't couldn't prove or stuff they they suspect you were up to your neck in but they have legal protection from ever being required to disclose this to anyone.

Maybe why i've never been accepted by MI then.

**daveboy** · 04-02-2007, 08:37 PM

Heres a link to get a copy of your convictions
http://www.devon-cornwall.police.uk/...FName=dpa1.pdf

**ChiangMai noon** · 04-02-2007, 08:59 PM

sounds good.
i was never prosecuted in Devon or cornwall.

**shehiredahitman** · 04-02-2007, 09:06 PM

Originally Posted by ChiangMai noon

sounds good.
i was never prosecuted in Devon or cornwall.

Don't matter. It's national.

They are currently producing a European database too.

**dirtydog** · 04-02-2007, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by shehiredahitman

the other is all about stuff they know you did but didn't couldn't prove or stuff they they suspect you were up to your neck in but they have legal protection from ever being required to disclose this to anyone.

Banks do the same, well apart from the fact the info is about money, how much you got, who your friends are, who you have borrowed dosh from before etc, ie private borrows from people.

**Spin** · 04-02-2007, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by mad_dog

RC at Hull now requires a police check if you apply for a non b for teaching

So just get an Non "O" for "visiting Thai friends and family"

You can have a WP here on an "O" ( done it myself twice)

Problem Solved

**RDN** · 05-02-2007, 12:57 AM

When I got mine, the form said it would take a maximum of 40 working days - 8 weeks. Mine took less than a week.

If you have a lot of convictions in the Police National Computer database, they have to gather the data and check it before issuing the document, so it takes longer.

If you have no convictions, then it'll be quick.

**dirtydog** · 05-02-2007, 01:07 AM

Originally Posted by RDN

If you have no convictions, then it'll be quick.

That will fok up a lot of teachers that kill people with car doors though wont it

**stroller** · 05-02-2007, 01:07 AM

Out of curiousity, since you haven't lived in the Uk for a time, is there a different procedure from someone who is resident?
Apply to a central office versus local constabulary?

Just asking, because I got a surprise when I needed police clearance before, had to get it through a central German thingie, though I hadn't lived in Germany for more than 20 years - very odd.
And totally useless, of course. I don't have a record anywhere, but how the fekk would they know?

**RDN** · 05-02-2007, 01:23 AM

Originally Posted by stroller

Out of curiousity, since you haven't lived in the Uk for a time, is there a different procedure from someone who is resident?
Apply to a central office versus local constabulary?

Just asking, because I got a surprise when I needed police clearance before, had to get it through a central German thingie, though I hadn't lived in Germany for more than 20 years - very odd.
And totally useless, of course. I don't have a record anywhere, but how the fekk would they know?

When I got mine, the form went to New Scotland Yard, London. I'm fairly sure the policeman said if there were any convictions then they would have to get in contact with the relevant local police - as if they had the information on paper, not on computer - and that's why it could take up to 8 weeks.

**dirtydog** · 05-02-2007, 01:33 AM

over 16 years ago everything went on pc, I had this little problem with the piggies in the UK and had to get them to delete the stuff they had on me, all companies and pigs have to release the info they have on you if you request it and pay the fee, some of these companies have some really nasty shite related to your address and that info is available to anyone willing to pay the money.

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