Thread: Is this true? New visa rules for foreign fathers of Thai children

Bastard is quite acceptable but, increasingly, as successive waves of scarcely educated folk leave school the original meaning is becoming lost.

Certainly, if I used the term " born out of wedlock " most wouldn't have a clue.

Illegitimate birth in terms of officialdom has always discriminated against the father not least because in the case of the mother there cannot be any doubt as to parentage whereas proving paternity beyond all reasonable doubt ultimately requires DNA testing. It was only in 2005 that the British authorities finally permitted equal rights to the father passing on nationality to their bastard, sorry, illegitmate children.

When there are not only no incentives but actually disincentives to marry than it is the practical course, especially where there is a certain level of trust.

So now will I have to prove that I am actually retired to get a retirement visa? That the legitimacy of anyone staying here must be proven in the eyes of this meretricious state is risible.

Originally Posted by robuzo

So now will I have to prove that I am actually retired to get a retirement visa?

Surely that would be par for the course ? If you are living permanently in Thaiand i.e. not going back and forth to your mother country for months at a time , surely you would be deemed to be retired.

So now I have to choose between the the Mia and the Mia Noi.

What if the child has been legitimized? That confers legal paternity without marriage.

Originally Posted by robuzo

When there are not only no incentives but actually disincentives to marry than it is the practical course, especially where there is a certain level of trust.

Apart from the obvious eternal reasons for eschewing matrimony, what is the disincentive to marry one's Thai partner? The prohibition on Thai wives, married to non Thai, owning property in their own right was removed in 1997.

When the mother of my child applied for a tourist visa to the uk,she got 6 months without having to leave the country every 2 weeks or nip down to immigration and pay them.

I am sure the number of foreigners getting their name on a Thais birth certificate,just so they can get an o visa,can not be that high.
This new rule f@cks everyone and is so badly thought out.But that is no real surprise is it.

Can any one suggest a nice place to live in Malaysia.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

What if the child has been legitimized? That confers legal paternity without marriage.

Huh?

Wedlock is what legitimates the birth. Without it, the child will always be illegitimate.

Can't people just go to Perth, or even a neighbouring country to get one instead of the UK?

It is a change in policy in UK consulates, particularly Hull, that has been announced, not a change in the Thai immigration law.

Well this certainly puts a spanner in the works...

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by thegent

Originally Posted by DrB0b

What if the child has been legitimized? That confers legal paternity without marriage.

Huh?

Wedlock is what legitimates the birth. Without it, the child will always be illegitimate.

Not true under Thai law. Wedlock is only one way way of legitimizing a child in Thailand. A child can also be legitimized at the Amphur office once he/she is over the age of seven. A child under the age of 7 can be legitimized by a court order or by the marriage of the parents. This is all covered in Section 1555 and below of the Thai Civil and Criminal code.

I know this from direct experience. I have very recently been through the expensive and lengthy court procedure (one reason for my dearth of posts over the last few months) and now possess a certificate of paternity which gives me the legal status and the duties and responsibilities of a father and which makes the child my legitimate child.

The reason for my question is that the OP specifically mentions marriage and not legitimacy.

Thank you for that.

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by thegent

Originally Posted by DrB0b

What if the child has been legitimized? That confers legal paternity without marriage.

Huh?

Wedlock is what legitimates the birth. Without it, the child will always be illegitimate.

Not true under Thai law. Wedlock is only one way way of legitimizing a child in Thailand. A child can also be legitimized at the Amphur office once he/she is over the age of seven. A child under the age of 7 can be legitimized by a court order or by the marriage of the parents. This is all covered in Section 1555 and below of the Thai Civil and Criminal code.

I know this from direct experience. I have very recently been through the expensive and lengthy court procedure (one reason for my dearth of posts over the last few months) and now possess a certificate of paternity which gives me the legal status and the duties and responsibilities of a father and which makes the child my legitimate child.

The reason for my question is that the OP specifically mentions marriage and not legitimacy.

Do you have any more info on this?

I ask, because I read somewhere that the issue (of paternity) in some way gets clouded if the actual father did not report the birth himself? The "presumptive" father is the person who did the reporting? Sounds "off", as I am named in the birth cert, but did not do the reporting?

Originally Posted by sityparamount

When the mother of my child applied for a tourist visa to the uk,she got 6 months without having to leave the country every 2 weeks or nip down to immigration and pay them.

I am sure the number of foreigners getting their name on a Thais birth certificate,just so they can get an o visa,can not be that high.
This new rule f@cks everyone and is so badly thought out.But that is no real surprise is it.

Can any one suggest a nice place to live in Malaysia.

I bet there are loads of good places to live in Malaysia... They may be a Muslim country but they are better developed than Thailand.

Anyway, I couldn't give a fuck.

Originally Posted by sityparamount

any one suggest a nice place to live in Malaysia

mallaca, langkawi, penang

Originally Posted by nidhogg

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by thegent

Originally Posted by DrB0b

What if the child has been legitimized? That confers legal paternity without marriage.

Huh?

Wedlock is what legitimates the birth. Without it, the child will always be illegitimate.

Not true under Thai law. Wedlock is only one way way of legitimizing a child in Thailand. A child can also be legitimized at the Amphur office once he/she is over the age of seven. A child under the age of 7 can be legitimized by a court order or by the marriage of the parents. This is all covered in Section 1555 and below of the Thai Civil and Criminal code.

I know this from direct experience. I have very recently been through the expensive and lengthy court procedure (one reason for my dearth of posts over the last few months) and now possess a certificate of paternity which gives me the legal status and the duties and responsibilities of a father and which makes the child my legitimate child.

The reason for my question is that the OP specifically mentions marriage and not legitimacy.

Do you have any more info on this?

I ask, because I read somewhere that the issue (of paternity) in some way gets clouded if the actual father did not report the birth himself? The "presumptive" father is the person who did the reporting? Sounds "off", as I am named in the birth cert, but did not do the reporting?

That is correct. Your name on the birth certificate as father is meaningless, it gives no legal standing. Many people, particularly Thais, will tell that if you are named as the father on the birth cert then you are the legal father. You are not. I have been subjected to many inaccurate lectures on this but the whole thing was clearly explained to me on the first day I went to the Juvenile Observation and Family Service Center to sign the papers to start the case. It was also explained again and again over the many subsequent meetings before the case got to the court.

The only ways to become the legal father are the methods I mentioned above.

Originally Posted by Bangyai

If you are onto a good thing , don't brag about it on the net

+1

Social networking in action combined with the need for some to tell everyone how smart they are, combined with the naivety that only guys looking for loopholes read these forums.

If someone asks you tell them personally, oops too late..

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by nidhogg

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by thegent

Originally Posted by DrB0b

What if the child has been legitimized? That confers legal paternity without marriage.

Huh?

Wedlock is what legitimates the birth. Without it, the child will always be illegitimate.

Not true under Thai law. Wedlock is only one way way of legitimizing a child in Thailand. A child can also be legitimized at the Amphur office once he/she is over the age of seven. A child under the age of 7 can be legitimized by a court order or by the marriage of the parents. This is all covered in Section 1555 and below of the Thai Civil and Criminal code.

I know this from direct experience. I have very recently been through the expensive and lengthy court procedure (one reason for my dearth of posts over the last few months) and now possess a certificate of paternity which gives me the legal status and the duties and responsibilities of a father and which makes the child my legitimate child.

The reason for my question is that the OP specifically mentions marriage and not legitimacy.

Do you have any more info on this?

I ask, because I read somewhere that the issue (of paternity) in some way gets clouded if the actual father did not report the birth himself? The "presumptive" father is the person who did the reporting? Sounds "off", as I am named in the birth cert, but did not do the reporting?

That is correct. Your name on the birth certificate as father is meaningless, it gives no legal standing. Many people, particularly Thais, will tell that if you are named as the father on the birth cert then you are the legal father. You are not. I have been subjected to many inaccurate lectures on this but the whole thing was clearly explained to me on the first day I went to the Juvenile Observation and Family Service Center to sign the papers to start the case. It was also explained again and again over the many subsequent meetings before the case got to the court.

The only ways to become the legal father are the methods I mentioned above.

Bob my son is 7 going on 8 (June), how would I go about legitimizing him? His mother and i are together, no plans to marry though. Although I guess in the light of this thread I might have to do that to be able to live here.

Originally Posted by sunsetter

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Originally Posted by sityparamount any one suggest a nice place to live in Malaysia mallaca, langkawi, penang

Kota Kintabalu and, with Singapore just a short drive over the creek, Johor Baru is becoming popular. Malaysia just loves us retirees and have done so with out any problems or goal post moving (that I am aware of) for over 10 years.

The irony in this thread and the "fair enough reactions and comments raised" is that for all us Non Imm. Visa holders here, what percentage of us have or would seek Thai nationality to confirm commitment to their new found home, country and their spouse?

Looking at most other countries (but specifically thinking of Australia) ... security checks, minimum language standards (written and spoken) and swearing allegiance to ?? to get a Cert. of Citizenship (that's before the passport is issued) to find a well paid job to get on with the almost impossible task of finding/ financing affordable housing (at our age), higher cost of living and an ever-shrinking medical benefits catch net.

Don't you think our Thai hosts are actually doing us a favour by keeping us here but at a distance??........ Well, until the money and the wife run out and then it's a row boat home to get on social security until we snuff it??

Having one of those days when I can't determine if the glass is half empty or full... so I'll just fill it up again

It's full!!

''Can't people just go to Perth, or even a neighbouring country to get one instead of the UK?''

Perth Consulate closed down 2 year ago, Darwin has never had a consulate. in fact its Harder to fly to the closest point in Oz [Darwin] then Melbourne, I work Melbourne have Home Darwin, Im stumped !

Originally Posted by alwarner

Although I guess in the light of this thread I might have to do that to be able to live here.

I am not sure that the whole thing is not just a nonsense from Hull

^Fingers crossed it is. I used Cardiff when I got my Non Imm visa in August. I'll email them / give them a ring.

All I needed at the time was a copy of the birth certificate and a covering letter from the other half, really simple and quite a pleasant experience.

The only issue there is that the couple who run the consulate are retiring soon (possibly already) and the next person could be a ball breaker!!

I'm sorry for the Foreign genuine guys/girls taking their responsibilities as fathers/parents serious and actually caring and providing for their children out here, they should not be having obstacles put in their way more the opposite in fact.

I know it would be one more bureaucratic thing to go through, but a mandatory one off simple blood-test could disperse any doubts about parenthood, if that is one of the problems the Thai authorities want to adress with this rumored new rule.

I just can't see how the relatively few foreign parents to half Thai children in anyway could become any kind of problem to Thai "supremacy" in Thailand.

Lets hope this one is just a rumor, fluke or very short-lived.