Thread: Whats a qualified teacher?

"a lucrative business "


What wrong with that? Beats the hell out of being in a money losing business

You try to hard bruce. be happy providing what you do. stop prosilyting. stop trying to convert. fuck the few naysayers.

are your clients happy? do provide a service for the buck? and do you tell them headon that they have merely scratched the service of what it REALLY means to teach or be a teacher.

Originally Posted by Accidental Ajarn

HUGE GENERAIZATION

Fuck, its Thailand isn't it....HUGE generalizations are the norm, don't you think?

I see Bruce as being no different than a used car salesman or any other small time businessman, he has found a market and the market is paying him for his service/product.

Originally Posted by Accidental Ajarn

What wrong with that? Beats the hell out of being in a money losing business

whats wrong is that kids are not learning, progeassing, retaining. they leave thje process AFRAI to fucking speak!!!

"HUGE generalizations"

Hey you quoted me quoting someone else who was responding to yet another person, I think anyway.

Originally Posted by pai nai ma

You try to hard bruce. be happy providing what you do. stop prosilyting. stop trying to convert. fuck the few naysayers. are your clients happy? do provide a service for the buck? and do you tell them headon that they have merely scratched the service of what it REALLY means to teach or be a teacher.

Good advice...sounds familiar...but then again what do I know.

Where to yoyu disagree bruce, aa, csffan, whomever. i will listen.

"whats wrong is that kids are not learning, progeassing, retaining."

Take a deep breath there. This is exactly the thing teachers in the USA, UK, Canada, German, Japan and every other country claim.

Thailand has done alright (despite the loopy politicians) in improving the economy and the lives of its citizens over the last 50 years. Ok, it is not jolly ole England (isn't that why we like it?) but it is moving forward and moving at its own pace. No one asked you to come to Thailand to reform the entire society and educational system, only to help out teaching English.

Originally Posted by Accidental Ajarn

Hey you quoted me quoting someone else who was responding to yet another person, I think anyway.

if so, my error. unintentional

Originally Posted by Accidental Ajarn

No one asked you to come to Thailand to reform the entire society and educational system, only to help out teaching English.

agreed. but its hard to be in the mix when its so very very bad.

It's like the gold rush where everyone is interested in the money.

schools pack the kidfs 50 to a class. language mills get some drunk to blubber at usereous rates. admis cut corners.

and we havnt really touched on educational philosophy learning theory.

thais are afraid of english because they have been abused by ignorent grammarians fron elemantary scholl.

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No its not so bad,compared to what?

Teaching in LA where the kids are more likely than not to be in a gang and you can expect at least one of your pupils will be dead or in jail before the end of each semester?

Take Thailand for what it is, and teaching in Thailand for what it is. For the vast majority of your students, they will have a good and productive life even if they never learn how to use the future perfect continious tense in English correctly.

they dont love the language and welcome chances to speak/interact in english. they are afraid to make a mistake.

Given the behaviour that is displayed on here at times it disturbs me that some posters are teachers.

I'm not going to name any names, and I'd really hate to accidentally name a teacher, but that type of person has no business being anywhere near a classroom (unless it's with a mop, rag, cleaning and other janitorial products).

Originally Posted by Accidental Ajarn

Take Thailand for what it is, and teaching in Thailand for what it is. For the vast majority of your students, they will have a good and productive life even if they never learn how to use the future perfect continious tense in English correctly.

agreed.

and this reality should shape the goals we set.

in thailand eduaction is socialization. group living, deference to authority, parroting back numbers/rules, keeping your mouth shut, not excelling or dragging the group.

Originally Posted by CSFFan

Personally, I see you as a dickhead. But sense neither of our personaly opinions are related to the OP, lets keep it on topic.

tsk tsk. were talkin here

"they dont love the language"

Does ever british kid fall in love with French? Does every American jump at the chnace to speak Spanish as it is becoming so widely used?

If not ever THai learns to speak perfect English, life will go on. Do the best you can, enjoy the job and your students and don't waste your time in attempting to change the entire culture of Thailand to fit your idealized version of what it should be.

Bruce, my paper quals are probably between medium to high if judged by all of what I've seen by reading about TEFL/ESOL/ESL since 1981.

Two points of interest, to me at least:

EVERYTHING you need to know about teaching is on the Internet.

THERE IS NOTHING NEW to pedagogy. I have heard this from professors and have read it so many times it's as true as gravity. It just might look new but it is, in fact, an old idea with a dazzling new title glued on for the purpose of marketing the public.

Take a motivated teacher-to-be with an above average IQ who was nurtured by teachers or who has, by whatever means a don for teaching, he will teach, no matter what TEFL course he takes, or if he even takes a TEFL course.

My point being: TEFL trainers teach people who need the training, not all people need the training. Many folks think they need it because they've never had a teaching experience, and are unsure of themselves, but are SOLD on the idea a short course will get them a gig and make them legal to teach. If they are natural teachers with a university degree in people/teaching-related subjects, already know how to google, but are forced by legal restrictions to be in the TEFL class, you end up with an already-qualified teacher bored to the point he'll be the student from Hell.
Yo, presente!

I don't have a TEFL certificate, have taught in two of the best universities in Latin America, high schools, grade schools, teacher training classes too.
And I learned it from mum and dad, university professors, O J T and G O O G L E.

There must be people like me out there in the teaching world. So from all of us we say, WE DON'T WANT OR NEED YOU! You're a salesman, go away!

Originally Posted by pai nai ma

they dont love the language and welcome chances to speak/interact in english. they are afraid to make a mistake.

Funny, I can walk thru my school yard and have a constant stream of students wanting to talk with me. Perhaps its the "approachablity" of a teacher that you should be questioning.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Given the behaviour that is displayed on here at times it disturbs me that some posters are teachers.

poo pay. poor system. rotten admins. no real theory to what goes one. too much face saving. what do you expect?

what's your situation cssfan?

Originally Posted by pai nai ma

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

Given the behaviour that is displayed on here at times it disturbs me that some posters are teachers.

poo pay. poor system. rotten admins. no real theory to what goes one. too much face saving. what do you expect?

'Tis a poor workman that blames their tools.