Pais revisited

[good2bhappy]

Disgruntled teachers at this excelent school reappear from the woodwork.
Too much paper work they cry.
Thank god I am not teaching in England they should sigh!
Paper work and reams of it is the norm for teachers back home.
What are they complaining about?
Not enough time to surf the net?

[Topper]

The PAIS guys on TW have got to be even more obsessive than me. Now they're crying because they've got more paperwork to do and are actually being "observed". Wow...just like at a real school...paperwork and being checked up on in class....who would ever imagine a school asking so much from their teachers?

[hillbilly]

Disgruntled teachers at this excelent school

Sounds like you must be a head teacher from the UK. Care to tell us more?
BTW, PAIS is another wannabe international school.

[Ivor Biggun]

I went on one of those 'Pals Revisited' sites and thought they were shite .

[Judge Jeffries]

Now they're crying because they've got more paperwork to do and are actually being "observed". Wow...just like at a real school...paperwork and being checked up on in class....who would ever imagine a school asking so much from their teachers?

You're full of shit, professionals don't need to be checked up on by people working in Thailand who themselves are not qualified to even do the checking. Back in the real world, teachers are checked and observed by an outside agency and not by some moron who does not have the required experience or knowledge and might just have an axe to grind!

I bet you never worked at a "real" school anyway.

[Topper]

Judge Joke,

You joined just so that could be your first post? Are you familiar with the teachers at PAIS doing the checking? Do you work at the school and therefore are able to comment on their abilites?

Thanks! A rant of something I've said just so you could get your "cherry" post. Kind of makes someone wonder......

Is your favorite color White?

[Judge Jeffries]

Actually I joined a while ago, can you not read the join date?

I assume you do have eyes and you do know how to read?

Did you ever work for a "real" school and thus can comment on the way that professional teachers are treated?

[hillbilly]

...I assume you do have eyes and you do know how to read?

Chill out dude...

[Topper]

I assume you do have eyes and you do know how to read? Did you ever work for a "real" school and thus can comment on the way that professional teachers are treated?

Actually, I'm sight impaired. Thankfully the admin here reprints all his posts in Braille for the sight impaired so I just feel my monitor and read the posts that way. By the way, why did you choose Judge Joke as a nick? Then again, maybe the admin messed up on the Braille translation.

Yep, work at a school with professional teachers. Thanks for asking though! Any other questions? Just remember it takes time for the admin to do the translation into Braille so it might take me awhile to answer any questions.

Oh, and thanks again for receiving your posting cherry! I hope it did hurt too much when it got popped!

[Judge Jeffries]

By the way, why did you choose Judge Joke as a nick?

Well it really is none of your business, but as it pertains to the field in which I am employed, I thought it was an appropriate nickname. Can you work out on your own what I do or must it be spelt out for you (in braille if necessary)

Oh, and thanks again for receiving your posting cherry! I hope it did hurt too much when it got popped!

I have no idea what you are talking about, but I would expect the standard of English to be better from a "native" speaker or at least I would expect to be able to understand it. (pretty poor showing from a "teacher")

Yep, work at a school with professional teachers. Thanks for asking though! Any other questions? Just remember it takes time for the admin to do the translation into Braille so it might take me awhile to answer any questions.

You dodged the question didn't you? I didn't ask if you thought your colleagues were professional, I asked, "did you ever work for a "real" school and thus can comment on the way that professional teachers are treated?"

Professional in my definition is for one who holds the requisite qualifications to be employed in the same position anywhere in the world i.e. BEd ,MEd, PGCE, Graduate Diploma in Education etc. I imagine you and all your collegues fulfill these requirements. Or are you just a sorry little Tefler who bemoans earning a pittance but rails against society and others who are even more intellectually stunted than you are in a futile rage that you think fulfills you but in actual fact makes you look like an uneducated buffoon.

TTFN CSFFan, I await your magnus opus of a response with all due trepidation. Please try not to make yourself appear any dumber than you already have up to this point in time and try to show that you have some kind of education in your answers. Thanks!

[Kidneystone]

Well it really is none of your business, but as it pertains to the field in which I am employed, I thought it was an appropriate nickname. Can you work out on your own what I do or must it be spelt out for you (in braille if necessary)

You are a drunk? You are a debaucher? You are in the habit of ranting at those unfortunate enough to be brought before you (students?). Oh I get it you are the Lord Chief Justice!

Oh I get it, you are a tefl teacher in the department of law at some university?

You dodged the question didn't you? I didn't ask if you thought your colleagues were professional, I asked, "did you ever work for a "real" school and thus can comment on the way that professional teachers are treated?"

”real”? as in not imaginary? What exactly do you mean by “real,” I personally do not see how you can accuse someone of dodging a question when by its very nature coupled with the fact that you want Topper to use a definition of “REAL” that you do not see fit to disclose, there is so much ambiguity built into your question

Professional in my definition is for one who holds the requisite qualifications to be employed in the same position anywhere in the world i.e. BEd ,MEd, PGCE, Graduate Diploma in Education etc. I imagine you and all your collegues fulfill these requirements.

Ah so you are a lexicographer! Sorry dude bringing in your definition post facto to show that an answer is wrong because it does not follow your previously undisclosed definition is simply a sign of an anally retentive twat with no debating skills. If you wish to use specific definitions of the meaning of words that you are using in a stated question, its really considered good form to highlight these definitions when the question is asked, else you risk looking a complete fool, rather like you do at the moment!

Or are you just a sorry little Tefler who bemoans earning a pittance but rails against society and others who are even more intellectually stunted than you are in a futile rage that you think fulfills you but in actual fact makes you look like an uneducated buffoon.

Ah so now we start in with the ad hominem attacks having realised that you are on the back foot due to your inability to pose a a viable unambiguous question.

Shame on you!

Go to the hairdressers and get a little something for the weekend, go home fit it and relieve some of that, oh so obvious tension.

[Judge Jeffries]

Oh I get it you are the Lord Chief Justice!

Oh I get it, you are a tefl teacher

I hope you are not an English teacher as you have a very limited range of sentence structures, I hope you don't model English for your students or they will end up looking as inarticulate as you do.


Why must I need to define everything Kidneystone? Somethings are by their very nature subjective in nature and are therefore defined differently by each person. Intellectual interest and curiosity lies in that difference of definition. Actually I had no time to define everything, not that I should need to define every single little word.

I believe that you can infer from my prior post in regards to professional teachers that a "real" school must be one following the academic values from a Western perspective i.e. an international school.

Who's on the backfoot here? You sure did try to say a lot in your post but actually said very little. Thank you in any case for your reply "dude".

[Topper]

I believe that you can infer from my prior post in regards to professional teachers that a "real" school must be one following the academic values from a Western perspective i.e. an international school.

I don't live or teach in the West, I teach in Thailand. As the TCT has pointed out, foreign certifications are at best ambigously accepted as proper certifications to teach here. So what would a foreign certification really "gain" me?

Are you saying I'm not a "professional" because I don't work in an international school? Or the only "real" schools are international schools?
Or only schools that use Western "values" could be considered where a professional could be employed?

But as I've been certified to teach in Thailand (ie, have been issued a teachers license, given a work permit and an extention for my visa) I figure thats good enough for now.

What does this have to do with PAIS again, Judge Joke? That you claim that there are no Thai teachers qualified to observe a "professional" western teacher here in Thailand?

Yes, I'm a TEFL'er. I work at a government school. I do the best job I can. My boss and Thai coworkers, and I help each other create the best lessons we can for our students. We work hard to get the lessons across to the wide range of English abilities and do our best to ensure our students succeed. To me, that sounds like what professionals do. A certification doesn't make the person professional, its how that person implements what they've learned makes them a professional, Judge Joke.

It only shows that you're as ignorant and egocentric as you are a pompous ass.

[Judge Jeffries]

As the TCT has pointed out, foreign certifications are at best ambigously accepted as proper certifications to teach here. So what would a foreign certification really "gain" me?

Not a single person I know that has a BEd or MEd or PGCE has had any problems with the new requirement.

We all know that Thai schools are a joke and that they have no standards, corruption is rampant, and they pay peanuts so they don't exactly attract the cream of the crop to teach there. Is that why you work in one?

An international school which follows a proper curriculum with qualified teachers is a real school and has professional teachers who are professionally qualified. Putting a TEFLer in a high school it like trying to get a monkey to teach typing, they might be able to hit a few of the keys and might even be able to type a word or two, but they lack the ability and knowledge required to do the job. I guess you are one of those responsible for Thailand doing so badly when it comes to English teaching.

no Thai teachers qualified to observe a "professional" western teacher here in Thailand?

Of course no Thai teacher is as qualified as a western teacher unless they have gone through the western system. What's the worth of a Thai degree? I think A Levels or a high school diploma (USA) would be more difficult. Proof of this is that Thammasat and Chula accept students from international schools with only IGCSEs.

I do the best job I can. My boss and Thai coworkers, and I help each other create the best lessons we can for our students. We work hard to get the lessons across to the wide range of English abilities and do our best to ensure our students succeed

And I bet they are pedagogically sound as well!!!

Which particular model of curriculum design do you think is most appropriate for use in Thailand? Quick google an answer because I bet you don't know and if you lack this basic knowledge, you must be doing a shit job as a teacher who after all has ahuge responsibility of teaching children in a school and who (poor sods) have no choice when choosing their teachers.

I'm glad you were given an extention (sic) for your visa but that just proves that Thailand doesn't want to or chooses not to pay for a quality product, qualified staff who can get results.

[Topper]

Wow...TeakDoor members....Uber Tefler, Judge Joke!!!!!

How much do you know about me professionally? Not a quality product? Not qualified? How would you know that?

But, Uber Tefler, since you know everything why don't you expound on my teaching experience and certifications. Please, pray tell, explain your indepth knowledge of the Thai teachers qualifications at PAIS and my qualifications. Could you even explain why you care?

But at my particular school, we follow the government school curriculum as required by the MOE. What curriculum model I think should be applied to Thai students is irrelevant. That is why teachers like you only last a year or two in Thailand...pompous asses who think they have all the answers usually don't last to long in any job, in Thailand or otherwise.

Maybe thats why your here, kept getting fired from jobs in your home country and ended up here as a poor TEFL'er. Did you start out teaching in McDonalds with pedagogically sound techniques? Or are you here in Thailand for the booze and whores.

Or do you think working in Thailand would be a positive contribution to your CV? I'm sure most schools in the West have a high regard for teachers that have spent time working as a TEFL'er in Thailand.

And I bet they are pedagogically sound as well!!!

Why don't you pop by the school when it opens in June and see for yourself.

[Judge Jeffries]

I feel sorry for your students if you are teaching them English.

Maybe thats why your here

don't last to long

How much do you know about me professionally? Not a quality product? Not qualified? How would you know that?

From what you say and the manner in which you present yourself.

Could you even explain why you care?

I care because you're just the sort of loser who should not be teaching in a Thai school, Thai students deserve a lot better, but the schools won't pay for it so they get lumbered with someone like you who can't spell or use punctuation properly and who is supposed to teach the students how to use English correctly and yet can't even use it correctly yourself.

Sorry I'm not a TEFLer but it's good that you don't show your own self loathing too obviously.

TTFN

[Kidneystone]

I hope you are not an English teacher as you have a very limited range of sentence structures, I hope you don't model English for your students or they will end up looking as inarticulate as you do.

Oh dear, dear me! Are you really, really sure you want to go down this route? Why use a wide variety of sentence structures when corresponding with someone of limited education? I say this simply by looking at your really atrocious spelling in your penultimate post, for you that means the post before the last post, i.e. the post that garnered my previous reply. For instance:

collegues should be colleagues.
fulfill should be fulfil.
And then the piece de resistance;
magnus opus should read magnum opus.

Oh and don’t forget your one blunder in this post;
Somethings ???? Dear boy its either ‘something’ or ‘some things’ Now by all means carry on being a spelling/grammar/structure Nazi if you want, it will be boring for the readers and make you out to be more tedious that you already appear.

Why must I need to define everything Kidneystone? Somethings are by their very nature subjective in nature and are therefore defined differently by each person. Intellectual interest and curiosity lies in that difference of definition. Actually I had no time to define everything, not that I should need to define every single little word.

Exactly, and is some things are by their nature subjective, then you must accept that another in a debate may well take a differing subjective view. Instead you choose to attack the writer when he took a different subjective interpretation to you on the meaning of both ‘real’ and ‘professional.’

I believe that you can infer from my prior post in regards to professional teachers that a "real" school must be one following the academic values from a Western perspective i.e. an international school.

Oh I can infer a whole spectrum of things from your posts. Stiff upper lip old bean, wot ho and over the top, Must keep up appearances or the fuzzy wuzzies will start to believe...
Trust me here dear boy, that sort of mentality started dying out with the fall of the raj and the empire!

Who's on the backfoot here? You sure did try to say a lot in your post but actually said very little. Thank you in any case for your reply "dude".

BACK FOOT? Seems like it’s still you! All your posts did was show you to be a post colonial bigot.

Or are you here in Thailand for the booze and whores.

Well he does use the hanging judges name as his nick, and the hanging judge was renowned as a drunkard and debaucher.

I feel sorry for your students if you are teaching them English.

Ah still with the spelling/grammar/structure Nazi head, as has been shown JJ, you are hardly the epitome of good unglund usage. But by all means you carry on, and I shall continue to emphasize your clusterfucks!

[Judge Jeffries]

My Dear Kidney Bean,

I did not profess to be an English teacher. I deem it quite appropriate to comment on the grammar and spelling problems in English of an alleged ENGLISH TEACHER.

I am sorry I made a few errors, I normally spend little time typing myself because I can just dictate things for one of my assistants to type up later.

Have a nice day.

[Kidneystone]

My Dear Kidney Bean,

I did not profess to be an English teacher. I deem it quite appropriate to comment on the grammar and spelling problems in English of an alleged ENGLISH TEACHER.
I am sorry I made a few errors, I normally spend little time typing myself because I can just dictate things for one of my assistants to type up later.
Have a nice day.

My Dear Mr Hanging Judge.

You do not profess to be an English teacher, and yet at the same time you claim to have an intimate knowledge of the intricacies of schools in Thailand, both International and government and indeed schools in the west. OK maybe you are a core subject teacher, there again maybe not, since you now claim to have an army of assistants to do your menial work for you. Do I detect a smell? Bovine excrement possibly. The fact that you are, by your own admission somewhat computer illiterate really does not excuse the ERROR’S , simple proofreading would have sufficed or the use of the spell checker built into this forums interface.

[machangezi]

I am sorry I made a few errors, I normally spend little time typing myself because I can just dictate things for one of my assistants to type up later.

Judge, I don't want to be rude or something but your posts remind of my good ol' friend who once said " slagging is the last refuge of the incompetent".

You're slagging TEFLers off, Dimwit?

[machangezi]

Oops forgot to give you a suggestion. Sack your assistant(s) for being as incompetent as yourself.

[good2bhappy]

TEFLwatch closed down-old news I know but on scrolling through the pages I find no reference to PAIS which may be the culprit?
Seems strange to me.
Can anyone shed any light?

[Kidneystone]

Good2b
stretching the realms of possibility to even think that there was some international muslim conspiracy to shut down that bastion of truth [sic] that was teflwatch. Plain and simple the admin (Whitey) lost the plot, drove away his supporters and gave up in the end.

[obsidian]

whitey fades to black. finally.