Thread: why I have come to despise these loser, fake "educators"

Originally Posted by DJ Pat

No, there is a difference. Look and read between the lines before you attack me for stereotyping stereotypes. There is an obvious difference. That look of "I wish I was elsewhere" and "What the hell am I doing here at this hour" are synonymous with TEFL-ing. If you've done it, then you'd know. A mans appearance can be scrutinised in many ways. Ask a successful man like yourself.

or is this an example of non-bullshit banter? my god.

Whiteshiva: I agree.

Those who propound these notions are suffering from an inverted form of intellectual snobbery - derived from great misgivings about being in teaching when they feel they could be doing something else.

An 'if only' complex.

^ You're clearly over-qualified. Isn't there some other profession that you'd like to pursue - you have 25 years of productivity ahead god-willing.

Originally Posted by Whiteshiva

Originally Posted by DJ Pat

There is an obvious difference. That look of "I wish I was elsewhere" and "What the hell am I doing here at this hour" are synonymous with TEFL-ing.

I beg to differ - I keep asking myself both these questions from time to time. Believe me, I'd much rather be chilling out at some beach resort with the kids or spending a quite day at home than getting up at the break of dawn for another boring day at the office.

Originally Posted by DJ Pat

[A mans appearance can be scrutinised in many ways. Ask a successful man like yourself.

I will only consider myself a successful man when I have enough money to stop working.

But one thing I learned a long time ago is to be careful with judging people based on their appearances. You may be correct on many, perhaps even most occasions when you do so, but there will be times when you will have completely underestimated or misjudged the person before you. And that may cost you - your job, your reputation, you money or, since we are here in Thailand, perhaps even your life.

It is important to try to make a nice first impression when you meet people for the first time, but it is equally important to avoid making up your mind about people you have just seen or met before you know at least a tiny bit about them.

Who knows - perhaps these "losers" seeing you in the BTS have an equally low opinion about you - as in "who is this poofter with the arrogant attitude and the designer clothes"?

So chill out, Pat - if they are truly "losers", shouldn't you then feel sorry for them for being so clueless, ignorant or poor, rather that taking the mickey out of them?

bladdy well said mate!

There's a massive sense of personal entitlement and elitism emanating from teachers who consider themselves to be the 'real deal' - when they compare themselves to those they perceive as dilettantes.

is there?

i think DD stole Hillbilly's login - cos i aint even seen or heard him talk like this b4!

Originally Posted by mad_dog

I've got a degree in International Relations (Bsc) and seeing as my job is basically the same as a kindergarten teacher in the UK I have higher qualifications than my counterparts in the UK. I'm planning to do a PGCE in September 08 or 09 my heart really isn't in it but seeing as I have 25 years of work ahead of me it seems like common sense.

Me too, it'll be in '08 or '09, or maybe '10, or '11.... sometime anyway.

Originally Posted by kingwillyhggtb

are merkins allowd to drop the 'an' in front of words starting wiv vowels now?

Sorry to say but that is a common misconception - this is not a legitamate rule. You add a 'an' according to sound. Too lazy to find an example online...

Originally Posted by sabang

But teaching English as a second language is surely not rocket science. No doubt my stuff would assist me if I was teaching business English, economics or something. But teaching a bunch of schoolkids basic conversational and written English surely does not require Chaucer like qualities.

I, too, thought the same thing prior to taking a TESOL course. Despite what I thought, I took the course with an open mind and picked up a lot of things that I had never even considered. Some things, I must admit, was obvious in nature, but some other things on how to teach and why is quite essential for teachers to know and understand. Just my opinion after taking a TESOL course.

Also, teaching business English is nearly the same as teaching any other English. Most business English classes end up doing a lot less business related teaching than you would expect. Just think of it like this - you go to work at the crack of dawn, work all day in a business somewhere and then go to a one to two hour class after work to learn the English version of what you have been doing all day? Doesn't work for most...

Originally Posted by The_Ghost_Of_The_Moog

^ You're clearly over-qualified. Isn't there some other profession that you'd like to pursue - you have 25 years of productivity ahead god-willing.

Sorry... I am 26 so I could have 39 years of work ahead of me ... But I also have two inheritances coming my way so probably wont drag on past 55 or so.


NickA... I'm serious I'm going to apply this October when I am in the Uk. It is just the thought of teaching fat chav kids for two years which frightens me.

^I'm serious too, but also seriously lazy... the long term benefits will be great, but the short term messing up of my rather pleasant and relaxed life here is too great a price to pay!

I'm waiting to get sacked or deported to force me to do it.

i used to teach maths in kanchanburi, a few years back.

Originally Posted by NickA

^I'm serious too, but also seriously lazy... the long term benefits will be great, but the short term messing up of my rather pleasant and relaxed life here is too great a price to pay!

I'm waiting to get sacked or deported to force me to do it.

Yeah I know exactly how you feel. You just need to bare in mind that if you get over the age of 35 the government just aint going to train you to be a teacher (in the UK at least)

Loads of fake teachers here in Ayutthaya.....whoops!!

Originally Posted by mad_dog

Yeah I know exactly how you feel. You just need to bare in mind that if you get over the age of 35 the government just aint going to train you to be a teacher (in the UK at least)

Not sure if that's true, but I'm only 30 so I've got a few years left anyway.

Originally Posted by NickA

Originally Posted by mad_dog

Yeah I know exactly how you feel. You just need to bare in mind that if you get over the age of 35 the government just aint going to train you to be a teacher (in the UK at least)

Not sure if that's true, but I'm only 30 so I've got a few years left anyway.

I'm was guessing but really but after 40 I am fairly certain the government wouldn't stump up the cash to train you.

Dj is this you second attempt to stay off the piss. Hows that going by the wayn ? sorry didnt mean to hi jack

Originally Posted by corvettelover

Dj is this you second attempt to stay off the piss. Hows that going by the wayn ? sorry didnt mean to hi jack

First attempt thanks, almost 6 weeks dry.

Also just got an job once each thurs evening taking the fitness class for a football team, increasing stamina exercises and strength work, ie running and stretching then floor exercises (sit ups, push ups etc) and a warm down.

And I also provide a diet recommendations leaflet for them.

Money for old rope, and I don't have a sports science degree.

Originally Posted by DJ Pat

My shoes are dapper I could be a CEO at KFC or something (but I am not).

glad to see you aspire to such heights

Originally Posted by MagicLeaves

Originally Posted by DJ Pat

My shoes are dapper I could be a CEO at KFC or something (but I am not).

glad to see you aspire to such heights

Gotta have standards haven't we?

Kilmarnock Football Club are currently 6th in the Scottish Premier League.

Originally Posted by mad_dog

I'm was guessing but really but after 40 I am fairly certain the government wouldn't stump up the cash to train you.

They will do, they're desperate. I'm not sure what the cut off point is, but i've met a guy who was nearer to 50 and doing a PGCE in the U.K.

Is it really so easy to get a TEFL cert. there?

I teach languages in Germany and I'd get work nowhere if I hadn't completed advanced diploma studies.

Admittedly, it's quite a different field, I teach translation and interpreting to adult advanced students - but a TEFL certificate for a month's course?

What can you learn about teaching in a month?

Originally Posted by robin

What can you learn about teaching in a month?

A fair amount actually. It's certainly better than going in blind.