Thread: Thousands to occupy Wall Street in protest

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by misskit

Yep. Then there you are at 60+ out looking for a job. If you are lucky you get a part time job paying minimum wage. If really lucky, you can be greeter at Walmart! Is it any wonder so many older people show up at Occupy rallies?

In the UK there was an assumption that all the unemployed could always find work shelf filling at supermarkets. The big four Tesco, Salisbury's, Asda and Morrison's were regularly offering shifts for anyone it was reported. Now the "staff wanted" posters have vanished and short shifts are the norm. A recent ad for civil service staff for entry grade positions offering 500 nationwide jobs attracted 20,000 applicants.

in the US past couple decades, gradually, fed gov was tweaking official unemployment & inflation stats to look prettier. Stuff like dropping those unemployed >6 mos from being counted, reclassifying burger jobs as "manufacturing jobs", and dropping from the inflation inputs, those things which people actually need to spend money on.

This private site shadowstats.com run by John Williams still tracks the numbers using gov's old data input methods, see the "SGS" lines:

Real unemployment ~23%, real inflation 6.x% - recall the commodity crash 2nd half of '08, that's the big drop there.

Notice the .gov unemployment trending down since '09 while the real number trends up... magic!

Shifting gears, re the "child abuse" ref's above- the practices of fringe religious groups or a couple of UK troops is a distraction- focus on the "Elite pedophilia reality" and their unofficial social-engineering agenda of "normalizing" pedophilia in society.

Icke has an ongoing section at his site collecting stories demonstrating this^, Child Abuse. In one example story, we read: To eliminate the "stigma" against pedophiles, this growing sexual anarchist lobby wants the American Psychiatric Association (APA) to redefine pedophilia as a normal sexual orientation of "Minor-Attracted Persons."'

Also do a video search for "Brian Gerrish", a UK patriot who's exposing the UK elite's front-group "Common Purpose", with emphasis on their role in the elite's breaking up families & "normalizing pedophilia" agendas. Here's Gerrish last summer in London,

Originally Posted by HansuMan

in the US past couple decades, gradually, fed gov was tweaking official unemployment & inflation stats to look prettier. Stuff like dropping those unemployed >6 mos from being counted, reclassifying burger jobs as "manufacturing jobs", and dropping from the inflation inputs, those things which people actually need to spend money on.

Agree. It's all fudged to make it look not really as bad as it sure as fek is.
Sorry, don't agree with Y'all rgarding public pensions; same story with auto union workers. The US auto-makers made those contracts when they were flush with cash; the govt has caved to the SEIU (especially the libbies the union bankrolls). Guaranteed increases above inflation rates for salaries/pensions/bennies while these workers provide the lousiest services (OK, except most police/firemen ).
Funny, Canada is tougher on SEIU workers than the States now. Take no prisoners. Harper is my friend.

Originally Posted by Minnie Maugham

Originally Posted by HansuMan

in the US past couple decades, gradually, fed gov was tweaking official unemployment & inflation stats to look prettier. Stuff like dropping those unemployed >6 mos from being counted, reclassifying burger jobs as "manufacturing jobs", and dropping from the inflation inputs, those things which people actually need to spend money on.

Agree. It's all fudged to make it look not really as bad as it sure as fek is.
Sorry, don't agree with Y'all rgarding public pensions; same story with auto union workers. The US auto-makers made those contracts when they were flush with cash; the govt has caved to the SEIU (especially the libbies the union bankrolls). Guaranteed increases above inflation rates for salaries/pensions/bennies while these workers provide the lousiest services (OK, except most police/firemen ).
Funny, Canada is tougher on SEIU workers than the States now. Take no prisoners. Harper is my friend.

The Auto workers unions are an excellent example of how you can win lots of little battles but end up losing the war. I watched them bring the entire UK industry to a grinding halt so many times back in the 60ies. Endless strikes, work to rule, endless demands which resulted in uncompetitive products, inferior quality, late deliveries and so on.

Other big unions did similar things and although they appeared to be winning concessions and getting ahead, in the end they just negotiated theselves out of a job. There was a time when the companies were the bullies. They exloited the hell out of the workers and working conditons were awful in many cases. Unions made great strides in changing that.... up to the point where they became the exploiters and bullies.

There are some very good unions and some pretty bad ones, just as there are very good companies/employers and some pretty bad ones too.

Police, Firemen and other public sector employees tend to have less militant and more responsible unions as a general rule. In many cases they have managed to negotiate and secure very good pay and benefits for their members. If in the end however the employer runs out of money....it all becomes rather academic.

All these people are paid out of tax revenues, usually at a fairly local level, so real long range planning and funding seems to have been pretty slack. Many of their pensions were never funded in the way any good actuarial sound plan is structured. They were just planned to be paid from future tax revenues...there is no fund as such.

Pension liabilities have just accumulated over the years to the point where it was finally realized that tax revenues are not a bottomless pit after all. Many municipal and other forms of local government are deep in debt...way over extended, and in many cases, much of their problem stems from pension liabilities. It's not hard to find the root causes of this unfortunate situation and there is plenty of blame to go around. In the meantime the poor ol taxpayers are creaking under the strain.

I'm more concerned about the poor Wall Street investment banker guys, many of whom don't even have a decent defined benefit pension plan. They have to put a bit away for themselves every month and try to pick good long term growth investments. Not that easy to do on a measley $4-5 million a year.....

Originally Posted by HansuMan

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In the case of Ron Paul, doesn't really matter if chameleons like Maher nominally posture as "supporting RP" - the fix is in... Maher's bosses have no worries about RP becoming president,

Article ref'd in the video ^,
There's something very odd about GOP primary pre-polling and vote


Also see #6 & #14 of Fourteen Defining Characteristics Of Fascism:

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

Another issue about which *informed* OWS & Teapartiers alike have good reason to grieve: FAKE ELECTIONS...


The Reality of Electronic Vote Fraud in America


January 26, 2012

As this system is the only form and principle of government by which liberty can be preserved, and the only one that can embrace all the varieties of a great extent of country, it necessarily follows, that to have the representation real, the election must be real; and that where the election is a fiction, the representation is a fiction also. Like will always produce like.
- Thomas Paine to the Citizens of the United States, 29 January 1803

"WHERE THE ELECTION IS A FICTION"

While most Americans will vote on electronic voting machines in 2012, the public is generally unaware of how easy it is for an election to be stolen by the people who control these machines. This is the fundamental problem that has disenfranchised the American voter and has turned our elections into fiction. As Thomas Paine wrote in 1803, "where the election is a fiction, the representation is a fiction also."

The following three short video clips explain why a free people should not allow elections to be conducted using such machines. The simple and sure way to restore our democratic franchise is to return to hand-counted paper ballots which are openly counted in front of the public in each polling place. This is the absolutely essential element, the sine qua non, of open and transparent elections. This is what we must return to in every county in every state across the nation.

Two of the biggest voting machine companies, ES&S and Diebold, were set up by two brothers from Ohama, Robert and Todd Urosevich. The 2011 obituary of their mother, Helen Catherine Varda Urosevich, has been added at the end of this piece to help identify the Urosevich brothers.

Endnote on Urosevich family of Omaha:

Helen Catherine Varda Urosevich
Urosevich, Helen Catherine Varda, Oct 24, 1923 – Mar 15, 2011

Age 87, born in Omaha. Preceded in death by parents, Louie and Thelma Varda, and grandson, Nicholas Varda Urosevich. Survived by husband, Steve Urosevich, Omaha; sons: Steve L. Urosevich and Donna Lawton, Omaha, Robert and Julie Urosevich of McKinney TX, Todd and Mary Urosevich; daughter, Sueann and Mike Devereaux, all of Omaha; sister, Dorothy Soland of Tucson, AZ. Helen was loved by 12 grandchildren and 21 great-grandchildren. Helen was an active member in the St. Nicholas Serbian Orthodox Church.

VISITATION with the family Thursday, 5pm-7pm, followed by a PRAYER SERVICE at the West Center Chapel. Private family interment, Evergreen Memorial Park. Memorials to St. Nicholas Serbian Orthodox Church or charity of your choice. HEAFEY-HEAFEY-HOFFMANN
DWORAK-CUTLER
WEST CENTER CHAPEL
78th & West Center 402-391-3900

Published in Omaha World-Herald from March 16 to March 17, 2011

Christopher Bollyn

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also see this clip taken from the documentary, "America: Freedom to Fascism" - advance to 3:50 to watch the shocking testimony before congress about the "flaws" built into these "electronic voting machines",

Originally Posted by koman

There was a time when the companies were the bullies. They exloited the hell out of the workers and working conditons were awful in many cases. Unions made great strides in changing that.... up to the point where they became the exploiters and bullies.

What humans conceive, so they corrupt.

Unions have outlived their usefulness in this day and age, when federal and state laws (generally) protect workers from abuses. Unfortunately, the vast money extorted from their members have corrupted their original purpose and now they are a cancer on American commerce.

Originally Posted by HansuMan

have no worries about [Ron Paul] becoming president

If it came down to Ron and Obama, I'd vote Ron. If (when) it comes down to Obama and any other GOP contender (Romney, Gingrich) I'll vote Obama. These guys are just empty suits.

Heh...Soros, aka Dr. Evil - supporter of the #Occupy 'Movement', Admits He's One Of Lenin's Useful Idiots, No Difference Between Romney And Obama.



There's a special place in Hell for this POS...

A recent video from Bill Moyers called 'Crony Capitalism.'

Full Show: Crony Capitalism | Moyers & Company | BillMoyers.com

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Admits He's One Of Lenin's Useful Idiots

Did you actually watch the clip you posted?

Soros spent a lot of his money helping to overthrow the Eastern Bloc leaders.

Originally Posted by spudge

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Admits He's One Of Lenin's Useful Idiots

Did you actually watch the clip you posted?

Soros spent a lot of his money helping to overthrow the Eastern Bloc leaders.

He also brought down the Bank of England and was instrumental in the Asian Financial Crisis back in '97 - '98.

Not a nice fellow...

The hired thug in the car in this clip looks a bit like BM.

An Occucommie kills his parents. Mental derangement is the order of the day with these people. See how it continues to blossom in Oakland:

An adopted teenager was arrested on murder charges after police found the bodies of his parents, two highly-educated civil servants, stashed under a blanket inside the family car.
Police went to the house twice on Friday to check on Robert Kamin, 55, and Susan Poff, 50, after their employers reported that they didn’t show up for work.
After discovering the couple dead, police questioned their son, 15, who admitted to killing them in Oakland, California. …
Colleagues of the couple … told the San Francisco Chronicle that the couple had been having problems with their son, who they believed was spending too much time in the Occupy Oakland camp.

The Occupy movement attracts a certain type of person, as made obvious by their arrest counter. Whether it was moonbat ideology that actually set the kid off may never be known, but a quote from Bill Ayers, who has served as a political mentor to both Barack Obama and Occucommies, seems appropriate:

“Kill all the rich people. Break up their cars and apartments. Bring the revolution home. Kill your parents.”

One problem with left-wing politics is that the impressionable and unbalanced may take the rhetoric seriously.


Indeed...

^^
Trust Russian TV to come up with this gem.
Bailiffs hired by the owner of an "occupied" building are classed as "hired thugs" because they evict people from property where they have no right to be and refuse to leave. Where exactly do the OWS "protesters" draw the line on this kind of thing?

Apparently it's OK in RT land to just break into and squat in somebody's building, but as soon as the owner kicks them out....the owner is in the wrong..?????

The police think it's more important to "protect a building" than to "protect people" ??? Christ, where do they come up with this crap?

The "hired thug" in the car drives off when his car is surrounded by a howling mob with one fucking idiot actually climbing onto the front hood (bonnet) and the mob wants him arrested and punished. (ie. The mob has all the rights but not the driver who is being threatened) If he had backed up and run over half a dozen or so of them deliberately, maybe they would have a complaint. He just drove off to save his ass, but they try anyway.

And of course now we have the latest from Oakland, CA.....another OWS success story...... Obviously the best way to fix political and economic problems is to smash up the country. I'm sure Russian TV would support that........after all, who has a more balanced, transparent and fair political arena and economy than the Russians....

Occupy Providence Protesters Disrupt a Pro-Life Rally, Showering Condoms on Catholic School Girls

Demonstrators from the Occupy Wall Street movement threw condoms on Catholic schoolgirls, refused to allow a Catholic priest to give a closing prayer, and shouted down a pro-life speaker at a Rhode Island right to life rally on Thursday, according to its organizer. The event marked the third time protesters associated with the movement have disrupted a pro-life meeting in a week. ...
The pro-life organization’s executive director, Barth E. Bracy, told LifeSiteNews.com that, near the end of the rally, the Occupiers “strategically fanned out with military precision.”
That’s when they “started showering condoms down on some of the girls from a Catholic high school.”


Weasel Zippers » Blog Archive » Über-Classy: Occupy Wall Street Protesters Throw Condoms At Catholic Schoolgirls, Drown Out Speakers At Rhode Island Pro-Life Rally…


Who are these POS, anyhow?


Man, has America degenerated into the cess pits or what?

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Demonstrators from the Occupy Wall Street movement threw condoms on Catholic schoolgirls, refused to allow a Catholic priest to give a closing prayer

Very progressive, and a surefire way to eliminate political corruption, economic dispartiy and create jobs. Got to hand it to the OWS....they really know how to do revolution and make life better for everyone....

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Man, has America degenerated into the cess pits or what?

You might find that in fact America; degraded as it has become in recent decades is still a bastion of morality and civility when compared to the brethren across the Atlanti; where the last flicker of civilized conduct barely survives.

Of course they have had the benefit of a series of fine socialist leaders and governments to get them to where they are. By comparison, Americn is just really beginning the slide downwards. Hopefully the slide can be arrested and reversed. It may be too late for the "allies".

^ Not only the USA. The left-wing ideologists are ruining all democracies, from the US, Aus, Europe...govts afraid to state a case. Happy Canada is taking a stand be it promoting oil pipelines or cracking down on "honour" killings. Just needs to reinstate the death penalty. Western govts are pansies these days.

Originally Posted by Minnie Maugham

^ Not only the USA. The left-wing ideologists are ruining all democracies, from the US, Aus, Europe...govts afraid to state a case. Happy Canada is taking a stand be it promoting oil pipelines or cracking down on "honour" killings. Just needs to reinstate the death penalty. Western govts are pansies these days.

Yes, I've been a fan and a follower of Stephen Harper since the old "Reform Party" days. Very smart guy and solid as a rock, with a few good people around him. An economist that actually understands economics...imagine that...

I was very happy to see him get his majority government after being suffocated by the leftist loons that dominated Canadian politics for so many years.

I have med Bob Rae on a number of occasions. My lawyer and good friend (Toronto days) and Rae were classmates in law shcool and did a lot of legal work together even though my lawyer was probably more right wing than Winston Churchill. They got along very well and were good friends. When the NDP was declared winner of the provincial election and Rae was to be the new Premier back in 1990, I was eating dinner on my boat...anchored down in the bay of Quinte. I remember I dropped my wine glass and came very close to throwing the radio overboard. I did recover after a full bottle of decent Chablis, and one week later was making final arrangements to leave the province. Bob Rae and the NDP as we know, went on to nearly bankrupt the richest province in Canada over the next five years....in true socialist style.

Rae is a nice enough guy on a personal level, but like all socialists he lives in a kind of fog which disengaged him from the real world where even fairly stupid people can me made to understand that spending twice as much as you earn is just not good financial management. I see now that Rae is "attacking" Harper on possible changes to the national pension plan ...which based on the demographics of the country will be necessary regardless of how much Mr Rae would like to pretend otherwise.....but of course socialists always know best...at least up until the credit line is cut off..... Rae's heart is in the right place but unfortunately he took a wrong turn somewhere in his political career.

One valuable lesson I learned from meeting and knowing these guys, was how to seperate the person from the politics. The man (or woman) can be (and often are) a very different creature in real life from what people see in their political life. That's why I try to make a habit of attacking ideas rather than the people who hold them. Of course there are exceptions....there are always a few people who need attacking too.....

^ Hilarious memoir nugget, thank you. Yep, those NDP...are now the official opposition. *gulp* But, Harper is doing well and taking no schtick. A good AB boy with a good cabinet. More conservative than the Republicans these days. Now, if we could just get rid of the unions...

Originally Posted by Minnie Maugham

Now, if we could just get rid of the unions...

Where free unions and collective bargaining are forbidden, freedom is lost. ~Ronald Reagan

Some Canadian university students using the occupy theme. Doesn't look like a cold winter up there in Canada, eh?

Originally Posted by Hampsha

Some Canadian university students using the occupy theme. Doesn't look like a cold winter up there in Canada, eh?

Looks almost tropical by Edmonton standards. Not sure what the hell they are protesting about. Not sure they do either. It seems to be something about education being their "right"??? It's a kind of fad right now to go out and confront the cops with a few signs; get a video for U-tube to show the world what a facist state Canada (in this case) is......you don't really need any coherent message or cause..... The numbers looked very small but with the right lense angle and careful editing the news guys can make a dozen people look like an army.

At the begninning of the video the police (or campus security) asks them not to cross the road and not to enter the campus. They seem to agree with this request (all very civil and reasonable) but later on change their mind. You can't have a proper protest without confronting the police and causing some kind of trouble to make the news. This one looked pretty tame, and the best the "Raging Grannies" could manage was some ditty about the envrioment being destroyed. Meanwhile another $2 billion project was announced for the tar sands yesterday...... life goes on in the real world despite the "grannies"....

Once the cameras and recorders were turned off they probably all had hot chocolate with the cops and went home to watch the hockey game...

Authoritarian's ideal Occupy protest.






I thought this was quite a good article about how the Occupy movement has affected unions.
What Occupy taught the unions

SEIU and others are embracing the movement that has succeeded as they have faded

Unions are in a death spiral. Private sector unionism has all but vanished, accounting for a measly 6.9 percent of the workforce. Public sector workers are being hammered by government cutbacks and hostile media that blame teachers, nurses and firefighters for budget crises. To counter this trend organized labor banked on creating more hospitable organizing conditions by contributing hundreds of millions of dollars to the Democratic Party the last two election cycles. In return Obama abandoned the Employee Free Choice Act, which would have made union campaigns marginally easier, failed to push for an increase in the minimum wage, and installed an education secretary who attacks teachers and public education.

snip

While union organizers stress the importance of the movement’s autonomy, they are also joining in, providing advice, experience, supplies and access to money and space. Many believe, as one Chicago labor activist put it, that “Occupy is too big to fail.” In fact, the Occupy movement is in the vanguard of labor, enticing workers into the streets, making them negotiate harder and think bigger.


But the Occupy movement is also a double-edged sword. Some observers say organized labor shares the blame for its decline because unions treat members as clients who pay dues in return for benefits, are riddled with self-serving leaders, stuck in a busted collective bargaining system, too close to Democrats and too willing to ally with big business in return for jobs. If the Occupy movement revitalizes labor, as the left did during the 1930s, then it could invigorate rank-and-file militancy, foster internal democracy and sweep out officials who protect their fiefdoms and perks at the expense of fighting for the 99 percent.


Occupy Wall Street - Salon.com

Originally Posted by Hampsha

I just watched that video. It's awful. I read somewhere the guy was tearing down flyers telling people to leave the park.

RT News is the second most watched foreign news in America after the BBC. Young people watch it because it shows a different view.

The commies are coming! The commies are coming!

There might be hope for that disgusting Bill Maher yet!:

Bill Maher Turns on Occupiers, Denounces Them as D-bags That Should ‘Get a Job.

’ Wait! I thought they stood for hope-and-change?