Thread: Any doubts about Climate Change?

While the extent of Arctic Sea ice cover is shrinking as sea temperatures there increase, Antarctic Sea ice cover is increasing, as are wind speeds in the South Pacific.

"Antarctic sea ice extent at the end of July was the highest on record for that day, growing to 18.077 million sq km. The previous record of 17.783 was set in 2010, whilst the 1981-2010 average was 16.869."



Antarctic Sea Ice Extent Breaking All Records | NOT A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW THAT

Another Climate Embarrassment

Check it out - this graph below of the satellite global temperatures continue to run flat but here’s another fun factoid just out: with the summer drawing toward a close, so far this summer in the US has experienced the fewest 100+ degree readings at temperature stations in 100 years.



We're sure there's a counter graph/statistic the Church of Gore can throw up to counter. Back to you...

I googled and found a website immediately that says quite the opposite of what Boon Mee claims. Ice loss in the Arctic wasn't as bad as in some of the previous years, but it's still the fifth lowest level since 1979.



Arctic Sea Ice News and Analysis | Sea ice data updated daily with one-day lag

Just who do you believe these days anyhow?

Global warming? No, actually we're cooling, claim scientists

A cold Arctic summer has led to a record increase in the ice cap, leading experts to predict a period of global cooling.


Major climate research centres now accept that there has been a “pause” in global warming since 1997.

There has been a 60 per cent increase in the amount of ocean covered with ice compared to this time last year, they equivalent of almost a million square miles.

In a rebound from 2012's record low an unbroken ice sheet more than half the size of Europe already stretches from the Canadian islands to Russia's northern shores, days before the annual re-freeze is even set to begin.

The Northwest Passage from the Atlantic to the Pacific has remained blocked by pack-ice all year, forcing some ships to change their routes."

Global warming? No, actually we're cooling, claim scientists - Telegraph

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

Just who do you believe these days anyhow?

Global warming? No, actually we're cooling, claim scientists

A cold Arctic summer has led to a record increase in the ice cap, leading experts to predict a period of global cooling.


Major climate research centres now accept that there has been a “pause” in global warming since 1997.

There has been a 60 per cent increase in the amount of ocean covered with ice compared to this time last year, they equivalent of almost a million square miles.

In a rebound from 2012's record low an unbroken ice sheet more than half the size of Europe already stretches from the Canadian islands to Russia's northern shores, days before the annual re-freeze is even set to begin.

The Northwest Passage from the Atlantic to the Pacific has remained blocked by pack-ice all year, forcing some ships to change their routes."

Global warming? No, actually we're cooling, claim scientists - Telegraph

It is two scientists. Thats it just two one who is a shill for big oil.

More junk here.

This thread seems to boil down to insults, let us agree there are those who don't believe in man made global warming not because we are stupid or want to see the planet destroyed but because there is conflicting information out there and also.
Look at who is telling us, the same governments that brought us WMD in Iraq.
There answer is "carbon tax" now come on does that not sound like a money making scam?
Why not ban electric powered street advertising?
Ban all cars over 1800cc or cars that do less than 60mpg?
Make all car parks pay and display except for electric cars?
Allow electric cars to use bus lanes?
Issue every citizen a fuel allowance, rationing?
The list could go on but they just fill us with fear of global warming and then ease our fear with Tax, if the governments aren't taking it seriously why should I?
Then there are those who genuinely believe in man made global warming and good on you for trying to save the planet from what you see as a threat but going at it all Billy Graham does you no favors.
Now I do fear the end of civilization in my lifetime and the cure is the same as your cure I just don't support the same bogey man as you. The danger I see is there for you to see, it needs no money grabbing politician or vested interest to see it. I have been there and looked it in the face, touched its hideous form. It needed no pretty graph, bar chart, complicated equations or forensic science degree and it will get us long before global warming.

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Originally Posted by GR3

This thread seems to boil down to insults, let us agree there are those who don't believe in man made global warming not because we are stupid or want to see the planet destroyed but because there is conflicting information out there and also. Look at who is telling us, the same governments that brought us WMD in Iraq.

It's not the government telling us. It's independent scientists and international scientific organizations. Can you name any reputable scientific organization that denies that human activity does not significantly contribute to global warming, one that doesn't report back to an oil company or an interested corporate entity.

Dr. Reese Halter




Can't See the Forest for the Trees: The Climate Bomb

Posted: 09/13/2013 7:10 pm


Later this month in Stockholm The United Nations panel on climate change will release its long awaited report replete with predictions on our climate. Media moles and self-acclaimed pundits are writing about temperatures rising between 7.2 and 9 degrees (F) (4 and 5 deg C) later this century as if Earth's life support system can handily absorb these deadly numbers.

By all accounts that we've seen the forthcoming report will err on the lowest 'worst case scenario' because economies of the world are teetering on recession. Earth's remaining natural resources are being depleted faster now than ever before and our beleaguered environment and all the blatant telltales are being dismissed as meaningless by all governments, globally. Moreover, it would appear, that the Laws of Ecology are not applicable to Homo sapiens because special interest groups worldwide continue to bully lawmakers, who in turn grant more subsidies to exploit the remaining natural resources i.e. forests and seas. Yet there is no regard whatsoever for the essential life-sustaining services these tremendous terrestrial and aquatic ecosystems provide.

The Laws of Ecology are exact and all life relies upon healthy worldwide ecosystems. There are three inviolable laws of Earth's life support system: The strength of an ecosystem depends upon its biodiversity; all species are interdependent; and all natural resources are finite.

The truth is that Earth's biosphere is very sick. Each day Earthlings are spewing in excess of 85 million metric tons of heat-trapping greenhouse gasses in to our atmosphere. This has irrefutably forced nature to the edge of its resilience or the modern vernacular its 'tipping point.'

Since the 1850s Earth's temperature has risen about 1.5 degrees (F) (0.8 deg C). For most humans this is a meaningless number, but for nature and its life support systems adding an additional 3.6 degrees (F) (2 deg C) is end game!

We ask you to look very closely at what nature is vividly showing all humankind - frightening symptoms indeed harbingers of what is ahead.

Over the past decade, the unintended consequences of burning fossil fuels are highly visible across western North America --

Originally Posted by hazz

well lets be honest here, rather like many of our other denalists all you do is copy and paste your latest bit of climate change destroying evidence,

I look forward to reading your personal peer reviewed work, you are obviously a big name in the scientific community?

You fail to grasp as I predicted that this report is by the very people who have been predicting doom and disater for tha last few decades and not big oil scientists.

The 31-page ‘summary for policymakers’ is based on a more technical 2,000-page analysis which will be issued at the same time. It also surprisingly reveals: IPCC scientists accept their forecast computers may have exaggerated the effect of increased carbon emissions on world temperatures – and not taken enough notice of natural variability.

This year has been one of the quietest hurricane seasons in history and the US is currently enjoying its longest-ever period – almost eight years – without a single hurricane of Category 3 or above making landfall.

I repeat a report by the very people that tell governments that the world is warming yet it isn't.
IT IS COMPLETE AND UTTER BOLLOCKS.
nobody disagrees that there is climate change going on. It has been going on since the world began, before man and before fossil fuels. something the warning lunatics fail to grasp. it is just the claim that man is to blame and that it is the carbon dioxide that is to blame that is the scam.
Ask any of the warming fraternity which is the biggest greenhouse gas and I will guarantee the vast majority will tell you carbon dioxide.
it is actually water vapour but hey you can't tax water vapour and control what people can and can't do with water vapour but you can if you blame carbon dioxide though.
They say if you want to know the truth then follow the money.
Good old Al Gore has made over ten BILLION and counting since he started this little scam. Not bad going as far as scams go. I take my hat off to him for it.
As said before climate change has become a quasi religion and like other religions you can't detract the believers.
To me they are like the silly little armageddon and rapture predictors telling us all the world is going to end on a certain date yet it never does nor ever will as they predict.
You believe what you will and I will do the same.

Originally Posted by The Big Fella

This year has been one of the quietest hurricane seasons in history and the US is currently enjoying its longest-ever period – almost eight years – without a single hurricane of Category 3 or above making landfall.

^ IT IS COMPLETE AND UTTER BOLLOCKS.

WTF mods? These are the FACTS, which I posted earlier this afternoon, and you deleted the facts while leaving Big Fella's blatant LIE intact. How do you explain such shite moderation??

FACT:

Hurricane Sandy was the deadliest and most destructive hurricane of the 2012 Atlantic Hurricane season, as well as the second-costliest hurricane in United States history.

Sandy was a Category 3 storm.

The storm became the largest Atlantic hurricane on record (as measured by diameter, with winds spanning 1,100 miles (1,800 km)).

Estimates as of June 2013 assess damage to have been over $68 billion, a total surpassed only by Hurricane Katrina.

At least 286 people were killed along the path of the storm in seven countries. The severe and widespread damage the storm caused in the United States, as well as its unusual merge with a frontal system, resulted in the nicknaming of the hurricane by the media and several organizations of the U.S. government "Superstorm Sandy".

Originally Posted by The Big Fella

I repeat a report by the very people that tell governments that the world is warming yet it isn't.

^ COMPLETE AND UTTER BOLLOCKS.

The report clearly states that the world IS warming, simply not at the rate forecast back in 2007

Originally Posted by GR3

Originally Posted by hazz

well lets be honest here, rather like many of our other denalists all you do is copy and paste your latest bit of climate change destroying evidence,

I look forward to reading your personal peer reviewed work, you are obviously a big name in the scientific community?

Whilst I am not a big name in the science community I am blessed with a some common sense, some of which allows me to realise that people who tell you the truth do not need to lie, misrepresent and generally bullshit... they let the truth and the evidence its is based upon talk for itself. Lying, misrepresentation and deception are the tools of the conman, the propagandist and the lobbyist.

And the great thing is that you don't need to be a genius to work out if someones bull shitting you or lying to you. you simply have to look at what they say and fact check it.

Take Big fella's posts. he made a claim based on evidence of hurricanes in the US. Simple fact checking that he failed to do, showed that this evidence was a lie. Which does rather suggets that he and his sources are more propagandists working in the interests a special interest group than truth tellers.

Then how does he react, he ignores this and simply moves to his next claim and bout the contents of a report. however a simple fact check shows that what he claims the report says is not what the report says. another deception.

As I said a little bit of commonsense saves from simple deceptions like this and all those conmen trying to to make them rich at your own expence. It must have been a terrible life for you being ripped off repeatedly by every financial adviser that came your way.

Originally Posted by TonyBKK

Originally Posted by The Big Fella

I repeat a report by the very people that tell governments that the world is warming yet it isn't.

^ COMPLETE AND UTTER BOLLOCKS.

The report clearly states that the world IS warming, simply not at the rate forecast back in 2007

The IPCC got something wrong? Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo next you will be telling me they are capable of making mistakes and being corrupted!

Originally Posted by The Big Fella

This year has been one of the quietest hurricane seasons in history and the US is currently enjoying its longest-ever period – almost eight years – without a single hurricane of Category 3 or above making landfall.

Ingrid Becomes Second Hurricane of 2013 Season: NHC
Ingrid became a hurricane Saturday evening, according to the National Hurricane Center.
Saturday, Sep 14, 2013

As of 5 p.m., Ingrid had maximum sustained winds of 75 mph as it moved north at 7 mph, about 275 miles southeast of La Pesca, Mexico and about 195 miles east of Tuxpan, Mexico, the NHC said.

A hurricane warning has been issued from Cabo Rojo to La Pesca. A tropical storm warning has been issued from North of La Pesca to Bahia Algodones and from South of Cabo Rojo to Tuxpan. The tropical storm warning from Coatzacoalcos to south of Tuxpan has been discontinued.

Hurricane Season: Special Coverage
Ingrid is expected to continue moving north at about 7 mph through Saturday night, the NHC said. A turn toward the northwest and then toward the northwest is anticipated Sunday.

The storm is expected to produce 10-15 inches of rain over a large part of eastern Mexico with isolated amounts around 25 inches possible. The rains could result in life-threatening flash floods and mudslides.

A dangerous storm surge will raise water leves by as much as 2 to 4 feet above normal tide levels along the immediate coast near and to the immediate north of where the center of Ingrid makes landfall.
Ingrid Becomes Second Hurricane of 2013 Season: NHC | NBC 6 South Florida

Another hurricane.
Must be a late start to the season,....

Ingrid and Manuel kill 20 in Mexico
10:56 Mon Sep 16 2013AAP

Hurricane Ingrid and Tropical Storm Manuel triggered rain, landslides and floods on Mexico's east and west coasts, killing at least 20 people and forcing thousands to evacuate.
Manuel made landfall on the Pacific side while Ingrid, a category one hurricane, was expected to reach the coast on the Gulf of Mexico on Monday, but they have already swollen rivers, flooded streets and damaged bridges.

State-run energy firm Pemex evacuated three oil platforms off the Gulf coast of the northeastern state of Tamaulipas and shut down 24 wells, the company said on its Twitter account.

On the Pacific coast, Manuel is weakening after making landfall near the Colima state town of Manzanillo, packing top winds of almost 85km/h as it moved northwest, the US hurricane centre said.

The storms were blamed for at least 14 deaths in the southwestern state of Guerrero and six in the central states of Puebla and Hidalgo, officials said.

In Guerrero, more than 2,000 people left their homes while 21,000 households were without power, state civil protection official Constantino Gonzales Vargas told AFP.

Of the 14 fatalities, six people were killed on Saturday when their van's driver lost control due to a lack of visibility and a slippery road on their way to the resort city of Acapulco, he said.

Six others died in landslides and the collapse of walls in three Guerrero towns. Two more people drowned when they were swept away by a swollen river in the state capital Chilpancingo.

Water rose as high as a metre in parts of Acapulco, dragging cars away, while the road leading to the international airport's terminal is closed.

The city's port was shut to navigation and a warning was issued against recreational use of beaches. Two men who sailed away were reported missing.

Manuel was 20km north of Manzanillo and was expected to dissipate on Monday, but it was expected to produce life-threatening surf and coastal flooding, the Miami-based hurricane centre said.

As Hurricane Ingrid crept toward the east coast, three people, including a 16-year-old boy, were killed in a landslide in Tlatlauquitepec, a mountain town in the central state of Puebla.
Ingrid and Manuel kill 20 in Mexico


I've also read that hurricane prediction is quite difficult, and that this year the conditions necessary for them, ie higher moisture content in the air along with the associated coriolis effects were less than favourable for hurricane genesis.

That ties back to the El Nino/La Nina effect coupled with the thermo-haline cycle, both associated with warming and cooling effects on the oceans.

On September 27, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) will release part of their fifth assessment report on climate change. For the first time since 1990, this report will scale back the hysteria on global warming.

Matt Ridley at The Wall Street Journal viewed a few leaks from the 31-page document and talked to one of the senior climate scientists. The temperature rise due to man-made carbon dioxide is lower than their prediction in 2007. Originally a three degrees Celsius increase was predicted, but that number is now expected to be between 1-2.5 degrees Celsius.

Specifically, the draft report says that "equilibrium climate sensitivity" (ECS)—eventual warming induced by a doubling of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, which takes hundreds of years to occur—is "extremely likely" to be above 1 degree Celsius (1.8 degrees Fahrenheit), "likely" to be above 1.5 degrees Celsius (2.4 degrees Fahrenheit) and "very likely" to be below 6 degrees Celsius (10.8 Fahrenheit). In 2007, the IPPC said it was "likely" to be above 2 degrees Celsius and "very likely" to be above 1.5 degrees, with no upper limit. Since "extremely" and "very" have specific and different statistical meanings here, comparison is difficult.

Most experts believe that warming of less than 2 degrees Celsius from preindustrial levels will result in no net economic and ecological damage. Therefore, the new report is effectively saying (based on the middle of the range of the IPCC's emissions scenarios) that there is a better than 50-50 chance that by 2083, the benefits of climate change will still outweigh the harm.
New Report Scales Back Global Warming

Originally Posted by Jesus Jones

On September 27, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) will release part of their fifth assessment report on climate change. For the first time since 1990, this report will scale back the hysteria on global warming.

Matt Ridley at The Wall Street Journal viewed a few leaks from the 31-page document and talked to one of the senior climate scientists. The temperature rise due to man-made carbon dioxide is lower than their prediction in 2007. Originally a three degrees Celsius increase was predicted, but that number is now expected to be between 1-2.5 degrees Celsius.

Specifically, the draft report says that "equilibrium climate sensitivity" (ECS)—eventual warming induced by a doubling of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, which takes hundreds of years to occur—is "extremely likely" to be above 1 degree Celsius (1.8 degrees Fahrenheit), "likely" to be above 1.5 degrees Celsius (2.4 degrees Fahrenheit) and "very likely" to be below 6 degrees Celsius (10.8 Fahrenheit). In 2007, the IPPC said it was "likely" to be above 2 degrees Celsius and "very likely" to be above 1.5 degrees, with no upper limit. Since "extremely" and "very" have specific and different statistical meanings here, comparison is difficult.

Most experts believe that warming of less than 2 degrees Celsius from preindustrial levels will result in no net economic and ecological damage. Therefore, the new report is effectively saying (based on the middle of the range of the IPCC's emissions scenarios) that there is a better than 50-50 chance that by 2083, the benefits of climate change will still outweigh the harm.
New Report Scales Back Global Warming

So in other words the largest industrial polluters on the planet just bought out some more scientists so that they can just keep on polluting the environment because now the sheeple will think everything will be A OK!