Thread: Any doubts about Climate Change?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Congratulations. You've just perfectly illustrated why the US should be a leader in climate change and not turn its back on the developing world.

Having said that, America hasn't really been a leader in anything for a long time, other than mass shootings.

No no I have illustrated why America needs to stop throwing good money after bad.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Why don't you tell me just who my masters are you old coffin dodger. I know exactly who you propaganda puppet masters are. I would like you to tell me who mine are. I will be waiting.

How about out I start with George Soros.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

How about out I start with George Soros.

Oh FFS not that old Fox News chestnut!

Originally Posted by RPETER65

No no I have illustrated why America needs to stop throwing good money after bad.

You're as stupid as your cretin of a President. Although at least he's honest enough to admit that he doesn't care what sort of a shitfest he leaves.

President Donald Trump on Monday dismissed a study produced by his own administration, involving 13 federal agencies and more than 300 leading climate scientists, warning of the potentially catastrophic impact of climate change.

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The report, the second of four such annual studies commissioned by Congress, concludes not only that the world's temperature is rising and but also that the preponderance of evidence suggests human actions play a role in it. The report's authors conclude that the changing climate "is transforming where and how we live and presents growing challenges to human health and quality of life, the economy, and the natural systems that support us." And that, unless we change our practices and policies, there will be "substantial damages to the US economy, environment, and human health and well-being over the coming decades."

The report goes on to detail the economic impact of climate change (hundreds of billions lost, with farms being hardest hit) and the physical toll it could take on our collective health, as factors like air quality, disease transmission by insects, food and water will "increasingly threaten the health and well-being of the American people."

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/26/p...nge/index.html

Originally Posted by RPETER65

How about out I start with George Soros.

Why don't you specify exactly what he does that would qualify him as my "master". This should be good.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

You're as stupid as your cretin of a President. Although at least he's honest enough to admit that he doesn't care what sort of a shitfest he leaves.




https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/26/p...nge/index.html

I am am not denying the need for the reduction of co2 emissions,I am questioning the effectiveness of groups like the Paris accord. Total waste of money the lack of results speaks for it’s self.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

I am am not denying the need for the reduction of co2 emissions,I am questioning the effectiveness of groups like the Paris accord. Total waste of money the lack of results speaks for it’s self.

Accords are only useful when those that make them actually meet the commitments they make.

President Donald Trump on Monday dismissed a study produced by his own administration, involving 13 federal agencies and more than 300 leading climate scientists, warning of the potentially catastrophic impact of climate change.

<snip>

The report, the second of four such annual studies commissioned by Congress, concludes not only that the world's temperature is rising and but also that the preponderance of evidence suggests human actions play a role in it. The report's authors conclude that the changing climate "is transforming where and how we live and presents growing challenges to human health and quality of life, the economy, and the natural systems that support us." And that, unless we change our practices and policies, there will be "substantial damages to the US economy, environment, and human health and well-being over the coming decades."

The report goes on to detail the economic impact of climate change (hundreds of billions lost, with farms being hardest hit) and the physical toll it could take on our collective health, as factors like air quality, disease transmission by insects, food and water will "increasingly threaten the health and well-being of the American people."

America must feel so blessed to have such a learned President.

None whatsoever. I've lived long enough in the one Australian location for a couple of decades to see the changes for myself. When I spent three years in Singapore many of the folks there that I worked with described the changes they had seen in Singapore weather over their lifetime. Even my Thai wife laments the loss of the many foggy mornings that would happen in the cooler months during her childhood near Nakhon Pathom.

The Arctic has lost 95% of its oldest ice over the past three decades, according to the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) 2018 Arctic Report Card, the agency’s 13th annual assessment of the current state of global warming, and the global impacts of climate change.


The entire 2018 Arctic Report Card offers a fairly bleak picture of the health of the planet’s ecosystems. The cascading effects of the warming poles are seen across communities and industries, impacting everything from severe weather patterns that hinder human productivity and destroy entire towns to the collapse of fisheries to sea level rise that threatens major coastal cities and their real estate markets.

As it was measured in the past year, Arctic sea ice was younger and thinner, which means most of it won’t survive summer warming. Sea ice also covered less area than previous years, and this is no improvement over the past decade of data collection. Sea ice minimums have been at near-record lows for past 12 years. And, since they started measuring it in the 1970s, there’s been a decline in coastal land-fast sea ice, making it increasingly impossible for Arctic community members to hunt, travel, and protect their coastline.

Arctic sea ice decline is caused by warming air and ocean temperatures, and indeed, arctic air temperatures for the past five years, from 2014 to 2018, have exceeded all previous records since 1900.

Perhaps even more alarming, warming temperatures in the ocean impacts the most basic functionality of the marine ecosystem. The marine ecosystem may feel at great remove from some human life, but the ocean environment is interconnected with many occurrences in the wider world, including extreme weather such as the northern heat waves and continental cold snaps seen across Europe in the past year.

Major shifts in the marine environment also cause significant changes in the health of marine creatures (the same way humans are impacted by, say, worsening air pollution or carcinogenic chemicals in our food system). For example, toxic algae blooms in the ever-warmer oceans, which are now more widespread and larger in size, impact the entire marine ecosystem. The impact of algae toxins is perhaps most notably measured in marine mammals such as seals and sea lions, which exist far enough up the food chain that they often ingest considerable amounts of toxins present in sea plants, fish, crustaceans, and smaller ocean organisms. Ingesting toxins can cause serious and even fatal illnesses in all of the animals along the food chain. And that’s just one example of one effect of the continued threats posed by unabated changes to our planet’s climate.
The presence of microplastics is also on the rise in the Arctic, likely transported there by warmer ocean currents. Plastics pose a continued threat to birds and marine creatures that ingest the synthetic particles that then accumulate in their bodies.

As is perhaps obvious, the report also notes there is no indication of any reversal of the effects of global warming recorded in the previous decade’s worth of these surveys. The report was released at the same time that the COP24 United Nations climate summit concluded in Katowice, Poland, with leaders struggling to reach a consensus on a coordinated global strategy to vigorously decrease carbon emissions in order to curb the impacts of climate change.

The Arctic Report Card has been issued annually since 2006.

Arctic Report Card: Climate Change Devastates Ice, Animals | Fortune

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Accords are only useful when those that make them actually meet the commitments they make.

So so you seem to agree that the climate accord is useless waste of money,as the major polluters will never meet their commitments.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

So so you seem to agree that the climate accord is useless waste of money,as the major polluters will never meet their commitments.

The developing nations need financial aid to meet their commitments. To build clean technologies, implement renewables to replace coal, etc.

Do you actually understand *anything* that was discussed and/or agreed in Rio or Paris?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Do you actually understand *anything* that was discussed and/or agreed in Rio or Paris?

He doesn't understand even the basic science and regurgitates right wing echo chamber talking points... So I'm gonna guess that's a hard 'no'.

Originally Posted by AntRobertson

He doesn't understand even the basic science and regurgitates right wing echo chamber talking points... So I'm gonna guess that's a hard 'no'.

Rhetorical question. He'll think he does, even though he hasn't got the slightest fucking clue.

Stoopid baldy orange cunto representative stands up at a Climate Change conference and promotes the use of..... Coal.

You couldn't make it up, they're stupid from top to bottom.

KATOWICE, Poland — President Trump’s top White House adviser on energy and climate stood before the crowd of some 200 people on Monday and tried to burnish the image of coal, the fossil fuel that powered the industrial revolution — and is now a major culprit behind the climate crisis world leaders are meeting here to address.

“We strongly believe that no country should have to sacrifice economic prosperity or energy security in pursuit of environmental sustainability,” said Wells Griffith, Trump’s adviser.

Mocking laughter echoed through the conference room. A woman yelled, “These false solutions are a joke!” And dozens of people erupted into chants of protest.

The protest was a piece of theater, and so too was the United States’ public embrace of coal and other dirty fuels at an event otherwise dedicated to saving the world from the catastrophic effects of climate change. The standoff punctuated the awkward position the American delegation finds itself in as career bureaucrats seek to advance the Trump administration’s agenda in an international arena aimed at cutting back on fossil fuels.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.9be01dce45a3

“We strongly believe that no country should have to sacrifice economic prosperity or energy security in pursuit of environmental sustainability,”

Good point.

Who needs air to breathe or water to drink anyway, dollar dollar bills y'all!

Fucking liberal commie hippies!

United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres sought to rescue deeply troubled climate talks in Poland on Wednesday, warning the battle against global warming is a "matter of life and death today."


The two week talks are tasked with breathing life into the 2015 Paris Agreement, which vows to cap global warming at "well under" two degrees Celsius (3.6 degrees Fahrenheit), and 1.5C if possible.
But efforts to elaborate a "rule book" for the Paris pact and boost the carbon-cutting pledges have hit a wall, even as a barrage of scientific reports have warned that only immediate and radical measures can avert even more catastrophic extreme weather.

"The key political issues remain unresolved," Mr Guterres told ministers and diplomats only 48 hours before the 195 nation meeting in the Polish city of Katowice, in the heart of coal country.


"To waste this opportunity would compromise our last best chance to stop runaway climate change," he said. "It would not only be immoral, it would be suicidal."

The Paris pact is also meant to funnel hundreds of billions of dollars to poor countries already feeling the sting of deadly storms, heatwaves and droughts made worse by climate change.

Scientists have concluded that such impacts are already unmistakable with only 1C of warming so far.

"The eyes of the world are upon us," said Mr Guterres, who had not planned to return after addressing the opening plenary 10 days ago but came back to push for progress.

A major scientific report called for by the UN climate body concluded in October that Earth's rise in temperature must be capped even lower – at 1.5C – to avoid the danger of runaway warming.
'Redline issue'

But a handful of countries at the talks, led by the United States and Saudi Arabia, have blocked efforts to endorse the so-called Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report, which many developing countries see as essential.

"The IPCC report on 1.5C is the basis for all future action, on what we need to do," said Vanuatu Foreign Minister Ralph Regenvanu.

Endorsing the report's findings at the conclusion of the UN forum "is a red line issue for us."


Other trouble spots include "transparency", which means different things to different countries, depending on what is at stake.

Rich nations, for example, are pushing hard for high standards of accounting to keep track of emissions reductions. Poorer nations say they need more time – and lots of money – to comply.
But the most contentious issue on the table is the reluctance of many nations – including the Polish government, which as host presides over the complex negotiations – to underscore the need to enhance voluntary carbon-cutting pledges annexed to the Paris pact.

Even if current promises are fulfilled, Earth would heat up by well over 3C, enough to tug at the fabric of civilisation, say scientists.

"Nobody, not even so-called superpowers, can negotiate with the laws of physics," said Jean-Pascal van Ypersele, a Belgian climatologist and a former vice-chair of the UN IPCC, which produced the report on 1.5C.
'Ice melts at zero'

A recent study shows parts of the Antarctic ice sheet, which holds enough frozen water to bury every major coastal city in the world, is melting far more quickly than thought only a few years ago.
"Ice melts at zero degrees Celsius – that's 32 degrees Fahrenheit," quipped Mr van Ypersele, converting into the temperature scale used in the United States.

The talks will now focus on hammering out a final text, composed of "decisions", including one adopting the rule book.

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/climate-...warns-un-chief

30 years ago they said the world would end in ten and it didn't; but good years, ruined me.

Nothing wrong with funnelling billions into developing nations, but common sense dictates it's used for the intended purposes and shouldn't end up in greasy pockets; just saying.

Originally Posted by jabir

30 years ago they said the world would end in ten and it didn't; but good years, ruined me.

Nothing wrong with funnelling billions into developing nations, but common sense dictates it's used for the intended purposes and shouldn't end up in greasy pockets; just saying.

Absolutely. The obvious win is for the developed nations to build the technology and then transfer it. Then a lot of the cost goes into their own economies in jobs and services.

I am starting to wonder what impact humans are having on Climate Change by simply breathing. In with the oxygen, out with the CO2 - multiplied by 7.6 billion.

Nations on Sunday struck a deal to breathe life into the landmark 2015 Paris climate treaty after marathon UN talks that failed to match the ambition the world's most vulnerable countries need to avert dangerous global warming.


Delegates from nearly 200 states finalised a common rule book designed to deliver the Paris goals of limiting global temperature rises to well below two degrees Celsius (3.6 Fahrenheit).


"Putting together the Paris agreement work programme is a big responsibility," said COP24 president Michal Kurtyka as he gavelled through the deal after talks in Poland that ran deep into overtime.

"It has been a long road. We did our best to leave no one behind."

But states already dealing with devastating floods, droughts and extreme weather made worse by climate change said the package agreed in the mining city of Katowice lacked the bold ambition to cut emissions the world needed.

Egyptian ambassador Wael Aboulmagd, chair of a the G77 & China negotiating bloc, said the rule book saw the "urgent adaptation needs of
developing countries relegated to a second-class status."

Executive director of Greenpeace Jennifer Morgan said: "We continue to witness an irresponsible divide between the vulnerable island states and impoverished countries pitted against those who would block climate action or who are immorally failing to act fast enough."

The final decision text was repeatedly delayed as negotiators sought guidelines that could ward off the worst threats posed by our heating planet while protecting the economies of rich and poor nations alike.


"Without a clear rulebook, we won't see how countries are tracking, whether they are actually doing what they say they are doing," Canada's Environment Minister Catherine McKenna told AFP.



https://www.afp.com/en/news/3954/nat...ty-doc-1bm8ty2

Originally Posted by Cujo

I am starting to wonder what impact humans are having on Climate Change by simply breathing. In with the oxygen, out with the CO2 - multiplied by 7.6 billion.

I'd be much more concerned about the 7.6 billion farts.

The world’s oceans are rising in temperature faster than previously believed as they absorb most of the world’s growing climate-changing emissions, scientists said Thursday.


Ocean heat — recorded by thousands of floating robots — has been setting records repeatedly over the last decade, with 2018 expected to be the hottest year yet, displacing the 2017 record, according to an analysis by the Chinese Academy of Sciences.

That is driving sea level rise, as oceans warm and expand, and helping fuel more intense hurricanes and other extreme weather, scientists warn.

The warming, measured since 1960, is faster than predicted by scientists in a 2013 Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change report that looked at ocean warming, according to the study, published this week in the journal Science.

“It’s mainly driven by the accumulation of greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide in the atmosphere due to human activities,” said Lijing Cheng, a lead author of the study from the Chinese Academy of Sciences.

The increasing rate of ocean warming “is simply a signature of increasing greenhouse gases in the atmosphere,” Cheng said.

Leading climate scientists said in October that the world has about 12 years left to shift the world away from still rising emissions toward cleaner renewable energy systems, or risk facing some of the worst impacts of climate change.

Those include worsening water and food shortages, stronger storms, heat waves and other extreme weather, and rising seas.

For the last 13 years, an ocean observing system called Argo has been used to monitor changes in ocean temperatures, Cheng said, leading to more reliable data that is the basis for the new ocean heat records.

The system uses almost 4,000 drifting ocean robots that dive to a depth of 2,000 meters every few days, recording temperature and other indicators as they float back to the surface.

Through the data collected, scientists have documented increases in rainfall intensity and more powerful storms such as hurricanes Harvey in 2017 and Florence in 2018.

Cheng explained that oceans are the energy source for storms, and can fuel more powerful ones as temperatures — a measure of energy — rise.

Storms over the 2050-2100 period are expected, statistically, to be more powerful than storms from the 1950-2000 period, the scientist said.

Cheng said that the oceans, which have so far absorbed over 90 percent of the additional solar energy trapped by rising emissions, will see continuing temperature hikes in the future.

“Because the ocean has large heat capacity, it is characterized as a ‘delayed response’ to global warming, which means that the ocean warming could be more serious in the future,” the researcher said.

“For example, even if we meet the target of Paris Agreement (to limit climate change), ocean will continue warming and sea level will continue rise. Their impacts will continue.”

If the targets of the Paris deal to hold warming to “well below” 2 degrees C, or preferably 1.5, can be met, however, the expected damage by 2100 could be halved, Cheng said.

For now, however, climate changing emissions continue to rise, and “I don’t think enough is being done to tackle the rising temperatures,” Cheng said.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/20.../#.XDhY0HQzZhE