Any doubts about Climate Change?

**harrybarracuda** · 07-02-2017, 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by buriramboy

Of course the planet is going to get warmer and one day the sun will explode and there will be no more earth. Is the planet getting warmer man made? Is it fuk. But im not going to deny you your religion, I mean people worship all sorts of weird shit these days.

Why did you parents stop you going to school?

Or did you just miss it all by playing truant?

**CaptainNemo** · 08-02-2017, 05:07 AM

BB's comment is about "warming" not "change", and that difference does matter. Whether the "change" is input from the sun or humans or both (or something else), is what people get funding for to find out.
I can guarantee you that no scientist would put "warming" in their abstract... the phrase is "anthropogenic climate change"... that's what I've only ever seen. Change is a thing that always happens, so it's sensible scientific hedging.

https://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar...=en&as_sdt=0,5

**RPETER65** · 08-02-2017, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Originally Posted by buriramboy

It's because of alarmists that people don't take the man made BS serious anymore. London was supposed to be a seaside resort by now.

Climate modelling is not an exact science. They have correctly predicted the outcome, the time scale is not so precise.

The trouble is that idiots like you don't really give a fuck if it doesn't stop you going to Tescos in your lifetime.

If they can't get the timeline correct how are any of their predictions a certainty, obviously their computer modeling is out of whack.

**pulvarien** · 08-02-2017, 07:30 PM

What most readers don't understand is how the greens work to get in control of govt depts ie Obama appointees, even bush appointed some. And then all they do to prove their point is agree with each other, put out drivel that proves each other right, peer review each others papers. You cannot put the fox [foxes] in charge of the hen house or you will find yourself in trouble.

To see that it I am right just look outside, where is the climate crisis after 30 plus years of never ending crisis! Common sense take over, use your eyes! Look at how their stories evolve over the years, the 70s Global Cooling Crisis! The 90s Global Warming Crisis! Now Climate Change Crisis! The one common thread is Crisis! put me in power, give me control, let me tax you for my benefit! Oh the Greens and Green business have made a financial killing. I predict the next Crisis will be the Global Warming Crisis has brought about a Mini Ice Age Crisis and so the never ending Crisis scare will continue and so will their attempts to rob us blind.

**CaptainNemo** · 09-02-2017, 12:21 AM

^
nope... and I am not convinced that you would understand the evidence even if presented to you. I mean, when was the last time you used MatLab?

**pulvarien** · 09-02-2017, 08:15 PM

There was an interesting article on the site that cannot be mentioned today, climatedepot.com. In 1947 the world had about 49 billions of oil reserves, up till today the world has used hundreds of billions of oil, and now has reserves totaling approx 1800 billion. In other words tech advances change the equation on reserves all the time for the better in the face of green scare tactics.

This also works for all discoveries where the world is changing at an increasing breathtaking rate. New discoveries happen faster then anyone can keep pace. And the greens tell us to put our faith in permanent solar and wind financed thru massive subsidies, which will all add up to a huge financial/industrial/job loss. This in a world where change is so fast and probably lower in just a few years the pollution levels put out bye oil, coal and gas as has already happened with the new clean coal plants. Why put our faith in massively expense, rigid, doomed to bankrupt us tech when tech change is so fast and getting faster that its obvious answers of one kind or another will occur to put those idiot schemes out of business to our loss.

**harrybarracuda** · 10-02-2017, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by pulvarien

Why put our faith in massively expense, rigid, doomed to bankrupt us tech

Good question. I'm glad to see you're finally starting to see the light.

Take the most recent, Southern Company's Kemper clean coal plant in Mississippi that has gone $4 billion over budget and isn't yet operational. The plant, which has cost close to $7 billion, has taken hundreds of millions of dollars in grants from the federal government. Last week, Southern Company said it was again delaying the project and raised the projected cost.

Donald Trump Failed To Mention This About Clean Coal | Fortune.com

**Umbuku** · 11-02-2017, 06:58 AM

Clean coal. What an oxymoronic description of a desperate attempt to extend the use of coal...

**pulvarien** · 12-02-2017, 06:14 PM

Why hasn't the whole discussion been moved to the Religion section, since gaia/global warming/climate change is now the new religion and nothing to do with science and reality. And is there any way we can set these true believers up against the Islamic jihadists to fight it out and leave the rest of us normal folk alone?

**bsnub** · 12-02-2017, 06:18 PM

Originally Posted by pulvarien

Why hasn't the whole discussion been moved to the Religion section

Because you are an imbecile. That's why.

**harrybarracuda** · 12-02-2017, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by pulvarien

Why hasn't the whole discussion been moved to the Religion section, since gaia/global warming/climate change is now the new religion and nothing to do with science and reality. And is there any way we can set these true believers up against the Islamic jihadists to fight it out and leave the rest of us normal folk alone?

Why haven't you fucked off yet?

All you spout is drivel.

How about that $7 Billion plus clean coal plant that doesn't work, you fucking moron?

Cat got your tongue?

**pulvarien** · 12-02-2017, 11:19 PM

Hairryminnow and bullshitnoob when trump is finished I will just laugh at you all.

**harrybarracuda** · 13-02-2017, 02:17 AM

Originally Posted by pulvarien

Hairryminnow and bullshitnoob when trump is finished I will just laugh at you all.

When he's finished with you, shit for brains, we'll all be laughing.

**S Landreth** · 14-02-2017, 05:53 PM

JMA January 2017

The monthly anomaly of the global average surface temperature in January 2017 (i.e. the average of the near-surface air temperature over land and the SST) was +0.39°C above the 1981-2010 average (+0.78°C above the 20th century average), and was the 2nd warmest since 1891. On a longer time scale, global average surface temperatures have risen at a rate of about 0.76°C per century.

Five Warmest Years (Anomalies)
1st. 2016(+0.52°C), 2nd. 2017(+0.39°C), 3rd. 2015,2007,2002(+0.29°C)

Arctic Sea Ice

Global Sea Ice Area spiral for Jan 31 2017

Originally Posted by pulvarien

massive subsidies,...

It has to stop and by the way do you know where I can reclaim my portion of the $775 billion to $1 trillion annually (oil, gas and coal subsidies) that is given away?

**Seekingasylum** · 16-02-2017, 01:19 AM

The only good thing about Trump is that it seems he is to appoint as his science advisor a proper scientist and not one of the GW self serving apparatchiks.
Take these silly graphs comparing data with indices over 150 years ago as if there was some sort of meaningful conclusion to be drawn. The earth is in its 3rd billionth year or thereabouts with another 2 billions on the cards.
Humans are simply a blip in an aberrant curve. Who gives a shit about the weather.

**Mr Earl** · 16-02-2017, 03:35 AM

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

The only good thing about Trump is that it seems he is to appoint as his science advisor a proper scientist and not one of the GW self serving apparatchiks.
Take these silly graphs comparing data with indices over 150 years ago as if there was some sort of meaningful conclusion to be drawn. The earth is in its 3rd billionth year or thereabouts with another 2 billions on the cards.
Humans are simply a blip in an aberrant curve. Who gives a shit about the weather.

Exactamundo

The discussion should be about human health and the ongoing health catastrophy of the global petro/plastic economy.

One degree blips in temperature.... so fucking what!

We need sailing ships, bicycles, hemp bags and clothing, and bamboo houses. Petrol and plastics need to be rationed.

**harrybarracuda** · 16-02-2017, 04:12 AM

Originally Posted by Seekingasylum

The only good thing about Trump is that it seems he is to appoint as his science advisor a proper scientist and not one of the GW self serving apparatchiks.
Take these silly graphs comparing data with indices over 150 years ago as if there was some sort of meaningful conclusion to be drawn. The earth is in its 3rd billionth year or thereabouts with another 2 billions on the cards.
Humans are simply a blip in an aberrant curve. Who gives a shit about the weather.

Yes, only a fucking idiot like you would confuse a Physicist with a Climatologist.

You really don't understand jack shit about the subject, do you?

It's probably why you rely on all this fake news shite.

**S Landreth** · 16-02-2017, 10:28 PM

Third hottest January on record - global surface temperature report from NASA GISTemp

According to GISS NASA, the average global surface temperature anomaly for January was 0.92 °C, which is 0.21 °C lower than the hottest January in 2016 and the third hottest January in the record (after 2016 and 2007).

Here is a chart of the average of 12 months to January each year. The 12 months to January 2017 averaged 0.96 °C above the 1951-1980 mean and was 0.07 °C hotter than the 12 months to January 2016, which with the latest data had an anomaly of 0.89 °C:

Below is a chart of the month of January only:

Scientists have just detected a major change to the Earth’s oceans linked to a warming climate

A large research synthesis, published in one of the world’s most influential scientific journals, has detected a decline in the amount of dissolved oxygen in oceans around the world — a long-predicted result of climate change that could have severe consequences for marine organisms if it continues.

The paper, published Wednesday in the journal Nature by oceanographer Sunke Schmidtko and two colleagues from the GEOMAR Helmholtz Centre for Ocean Research in Kiel, Germany, found a decline of more than 2 percent in ocean oxygen content worldwide between 1960 and 2010. The loss, however, showed up in some ocean basins more than others. The largest overall volume of oxygen was lost in the largest ocean — the Pacific — but as a percentage, the decline was sharpest in the Arctic Ocean, a region facing Earth’s most stark climate change.

The loss of ocean oxygen “has been assumed from models, and there have been lots of regional analysis that have shown local decline, but it has never been shown on the global scale, and never for the deep ocean,” said Schmidtko, who conducted the research with Lothar Stramma and Martin Visbeck, also of GEOMAR.

Ocean oxygen is vital to marine organisms, but also very delicate — unlike in the atmosphere, where gases mix together thoroughly, in the ocean that is far harder to accomplish, Schmidtko explained. Moreover, he added, just 1 percent of all the Earth’s available oxygen mixes into the ocean; the vast majority remains in the air.

Climate change models predict the oceans will lose oxygen because of several factors. Most obvious is simply that warmer water holds less dissolved gases, including oxygen. “It’s the same reason we keep our sparkling drinks pretty cold,” Schmidtko said.

But another factor is the growing stratification of ocean waters. Oxygen enters the ocean at its surface, from the atmosphere and from the photosynthetic activity of marine microorganisms. But as that upper layer warms up, the oxygen-rich waters are less likely to mix down into cooler layers of the ocean because the warm waters are less dense and do not sink as readily.

“When the upper ocean warms, less water gets down deep, and so therefore, the oxygen supply to the deep ocean is shut down or significantly reduced,” Schmidtko said.

Snip

When it comes to ocean deoxygenation, as climate change continues, this trend should also increase — studies suggest a loss of up to 7 percent of the ocean’s oxygen by 2100. At the end of the current paper, the researchers are blunt about the consequences of a continuing loss of oceanic oxygen.

“Far-reaching implications for marine ecosystems and fisheries can be expected,” they write.

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Satellite data confirm annual carbon dioxide minimum above 400 ppm

**buriramboy** · 16-02-2017, 11:57 PM

When the next ice age comes will that be man made?

**VocalNeal** · 17-02-2017, 10:20 AM

Have we had this one before?

**bsnub** · 17-02-2017, 10:46 AM

^ That clown has been debunked over and over again. He is the director of seven mining companies and is a geologist not a climate scientist. More total garbage from the science deniers.

https://www.crikey.com.au/2014/07/11...mers-new-book/

Ian Plimer - SourceWatch

http://www.skepticalscience.com/101-...questions.html

**S Landreth** · 17-02-2017, 05:54 PM

NOAA January 2017 – 3rd Warmest January

**harrybarracuda** · 17-02-2017, 07:24 PM

Must be that ice age the muppet was talking about.

**pulvarien** · 18-02-2017, 08:55 AM

Spring is late here in Victoria bc, 2 weeks or so behind last year even tho this is a record year of warmth, really?

**Mr Earl** · 18-02-2017, 09:05 AM

Harrie, Landie, and the PC dandies; can you explain why we aren't seeing petrol rationing, zero emmissions mandates, sailing ships, agriculture which does not destroy rainforest?

It is quite clearly a global emergency.

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