Thread: Any doubts about Climate Change?

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Radical Marxist-Socialist George Soros

Are you pretending he is not, or you just don't have a clue?

Originally Posted by Rainfall

The sharp hike of more than 1°C in global temperatures in the last decade rather suggests

It is clear here

It will be Karma to bake the sand niggers with another 5 degrees, as they are the ones who made the money from pumping the oil in the first place

Originally Posted by Umbuku

I have encountered very few denialists that actually have a problem with the science, or the ability to assess the science. Most just cut and paste articles ...

As opposed to S Landreth who actually writes the stuff he posts.

They are not yet at the point of being able to predict the solar cycles of the Sun. It has been fluctuating down in the last few cycles and I have read several articles that propose it may be entering another Maunder Minimum. If so that would give us more lead time to control our greenhouse gas emissions but if, like the Maunder Minimum, it stays at a low ebb for 70+ years then that will bring its own problems.

Originally Posted by JetsetBkk

Originally Posted by Umbuku

I have encountered very few denialists that actually have a problem with the science, or the ability to assess the science. Most just cut and paste articles ...

As opposed to S Landreth who actually writes the stuff he posts.

rather like you don't post made up shit

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Radical Marxist-Socialist George Soros

Are you pretending he is not, or you just don't have a clue?

Nothing you believe surprises me anymore. You have to be deep in the cool aid to buy an idiotic statement like that.

Soros is on of the worlds most profound CAPITALISTS he has one of the largest hedge funds in the world and happens to be the 29th richest man in the world.

Oh gee a real Radical Marxist-Socialist that is. Good god you are a moron. Keep slopping up that right wing propaganda like a good lemming.

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Originally Posted by bsnub

Originally Posted by RPETER65

Radical Marxist-Socialist George Soros

Are you pretending he is not, or you just don't have a clue?

Nothing you believe surprises me anymore. You have to be deep in the cool aid to buy an idiotic statement like that.

Soros is on of the worlds most profound CAPITALISTS he has one of the largest hedge funds in the world and happens to be the 29th richest man in the world.

Oh gee a real Radical Marxist-Socialist that is. Good god you are a moron. Keep slopping up that right wing propaganda like a good lemming.

And he is spending a large part of that wealth promoting a radical new social order in the U.S. that will be the destruction of America.

^ More delusional right wing propaganda.

Originally Posted by bsnub

^ More delusional right wing propaganda.

Actually more truth that you refuse to pull your head out of the sand to see.

^ My head is not in the sand. I refuse to read right wing paranoid propaganda. You probably think Obama is trying to "take over" Texas as well.

You are a moron and once again you have derailed yet another thread with your off topic dribble. You really should be jailed or banned from speakers corner for constantly thread jacking.

Originally Posted by bsnub

^ My head is not in the sand. I refuse to read right wing paranoid propaganda. You probably think Obama is trying to "take over" Texas as well.

You are a moron and once again you have derailed yet another thread with your off topic dribble. You really should be jailed or banned from speakers corner for constantly thread jacking.

No I don't think Obama is trying to take over Texas, if you read no conservative journalism your head is in the sand, as you only have your libtard sources to form your opinions, or should I say continue to be brain washed. As I said in a previous post when you post with some sort of civility then I won't need to respond to your vile posts, hence no thread jacking.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

if you read no conservative journalism your head is in the sand

Conservative journalism? That is a joke unto itself. I do monitor the propaganda you call "journalism" so that I can be aware of the disinformation being propagated by the enemy. I see that the right has set up an "alternate reality" with most of its sources being linked back to the Koch brothers or one of their think tanks.
You think that anything that is printed by one of these groups is valid and you eat it up like a little lapdog never questioning the source or perhaps even embracing it (that is an even more horrifying idea).

Like I have said before you are hopelessly blinkered and a slave to dogma and right wing propaganda.

Another agency, but this June is tied with 1998 (as the hottest June recorded),…….

NOAA will have their Global Analysis up soon and it’ll be interesting to see what they have to say about the first half of this year in respect to heat and our planet.

It’s getting more difficult; with the science/facts that are out, for you deniers every day.

Suck it, climate-istas!

Satellites: Earth Is Nearly In Its 21st Year Without Global Warming

Whoops! Al Gore seen none too happy at this news:



After September of this year, the Earth will be entering its 21st year without statistically significant warming trend, according to satellite-derived temperature data.

Since September 1994, University of Alabama in Huntsville’s satellite temperature data has shown no statistically significant global warming trend. For over 20 years there’s been no warming trend apparent in the satellite records and will soon be entering into year 21 with no warming trend apparent in satellite data — which examines the lowest few miles of the Earth’s atmosphere.

Satellite data from the Remote Sensing Systems (RSS) group also shows a prolonged “hiatus” in global warming. After November of this year, RSS data will be in its 21st year without warming. Ironically, the so-called “hiatus” in warming started when then vice President Al Gore and environmental groups touted RSS satellite data as evidence a slight warming trend since 1979.



For years, climate scientists have been debating the “hiatus” in global warming, pushing dozens of explanations for why global temperatures had not risen significantly in the last decade or so in the surface record and for the last two decades in the satellite record. but the debate was cut short in June when the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration published a study claiming the “hiatus” never existed.

“Newly corrected and updated global surface temperature data from NOAA’s [National Centers for Environmental Information] do not support the notion of a global warming ‘hiatus,’” wrote NOAA scientists in their study.

The study was highly criticized for inflating the temperature record since the late 1990s to show vastly more global warming than was shown in older data. The warming “hiatus” was eliminated and the warming trend over the period was more than doubled.

“There’s been so much criticism of NOAA’s alteration of the sea surface temperature that we are really just going to have to use the University of East Anglia data,” Pat Michaels, a climate scientist with the libertarian Cato Institute, told The Daily Caller News Foundation.

“I don’t think that’s going to stand the test of time,” Michaels said of NOAA’s recent adjustments.

But what Michaels and others say is more problematic is the growing divergence between NOAA’s new temperature data versus satellite data and records from the UK Met Office. NOAA’s data shows significantly more warming than Met Office or satellite records.

“It’s a major problem because outside of the north polar region, the upper troposphere is supposed to warm faster than the surface,” Michaels said.

“Pretty much every projection made by our climate models for sensible weather is simply not at all trustworthy,” Michaels said."

The Earth Has Entered Its 21st Year Without Global Warming | The Daily Caller

We know...it's all a plot by a cabal of folks taking big oil money or some such nonsense, right?

^ More long debunked garbage.

A review of claims made by the Cato Institute's Patrick Michaels over the last quarter century shows that he has repeatedly been proven wrong over time. Michaels is one of a few contrarian climate scientists who is often featured in the media without disclosure of his funding from the fossil fuel industry. Patrick Michaels' Losing Bets

On Temperature Trends

Michaels "Bet" In 1999 There Would Be A "Statistically Significant Cooling Trend" From 1998 To 2008. In a Cato post that was later published as a Washington Times op-ed, according to Nexis, Patrick J. Michaels wrote that he would place a "bet" that "the 10 years ending on December 31, 2007, will show a statistically significant global cooling trend in temperatures measured by satellite":

I'm willing to wager two things. First, I'll bet that anyone who said global warming is an overblown bunch of hooey had a terrible time at this year's holiday cocktail parties. Second, I'll take even money that the 10 years ending on December 31, 2007, will show a statistically significant global cooling trend in temperatures measured by satellite.
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Last year was so warm that it induces a statistically significant warming trend in the satellite data. Thus the second bet: Starting with 1998, there will almost certainly be a statistically significant cooling trend in the decade ending in 2007. [Cato, 1/18/99]

Satellite Records For That Decade Showed No Statistically Significant Trend. From 1998 to 2008, the University of Alabama in Huntsville satellite record shows a warming trend that is not statistically significant at the 95 percent level (a warming of 0.074°C per decade plus or minus 0.439°C). The Remote Sensing Systems satellite record shows a cooling trend that is not statistically significant at the 95 percent level (a change in temperature of -0.053°C per decade plus or minus 0.425 °C). The three surface temperature records showed a "warming trend" for that time period according to a Skeptical Science report on a 2008 paper by the Australian Bureau of Meteorology. [Calculated using Skeptical Science's Temperature trend calculator, 7/1/13] [Skeptical Science, 1/10/13]
Michaels' New Bet: "We Are Going To Go Nearly A Quarter Of A Century Without Warming." In a Washington Times op-ed in January 2013, Michaels stated "it's a pretty good bet that we are going to go nearly a quarter of a century without warming." [The Washington Times, 1/17/13]
On Ice Ages

Michaels Makes An "Easy Prediction" That By 2000 The "Vogue Environmental Calamity Will Be An Ice Age." Michaels wrote in a 1992 Washington Times op-ed:

About 15 years ago it was all the rage in the climate business to proclaim the coming ice age.
[...]
Here's an easy prediction: By the year 2000, plus or minus a few, the vogue environmental calamity will be an ice age. And this nouvelle apocalypse, revised version, will predict that global warming will cause sea level to fall, exposing Bangladesh to wrenching cultural changes, and therefore we should give more money to the Third World. [The Washington Times, 2/11/92, via Nexis]

Michaels' Failed Prediction Based On Misrepresentation Of Scientific History. There has been a persistent increase in temperatures and continuing warnings about the impacts of climate change from scientists and advocates, contrary to Michaels' prediction.

[World Meteorological Association, 2013, via The Washington Post]
Furthermore, as a review published by the American Meteorological Society concluded, there was no consensus about a "coming ice age" in the scientific literature in the 1970s:

There was no scientific consensus in the 1970s that the Earth was headed into an imminent ice age. Indeed, the possibility of anthropogenic warming dominated the peer-reviewed literature even then.
[...]
When the myth of the 1970s global cooling scare arises in contemporary discussion over climate change, it is most often in the form of citations not to the scientific literature, but to news media coverage.
[...]
Even cursory review of the news media coverage of the issue reveals that, just as there was no consensus at the time among scientists, so was there also no consensus among journalists. For example, these are titles from two New York Times articles: "Scientists ask why world climate is changing; major cooling may be ahead" (Sullivan 1975a) and "Warming trend seen in climate; two articles counter view that cold period is due" (Sullivan 1975b). Equally juxtaposed were The Cooling (Ponte 1976), which was published the year after Hothouse Earth (Wilcox 1975).However, the news coverage of the time does reflect what New York Times science writer Andrew Revkin calls "the tyranny of the news peg," based on the idea that reporters need a "peg" on which to hang a story. [Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society, 2/8/08]

On Green Technology

Michaels In 2001: Prius Will "Never" Deliver Profit For Toyota. In a Washington Times op-ed Michaels declared that the Prius would "never" make a profit for Toyota and suggested that demand would always be "weak" because "no one except diehard technophiles and hyper-greens are willing to shell out several thousand extra for a hybrid":

Last year, the Big Three participants -- Ford, GM and Daimler-Chrysler -- got around to building their first hybrid gas-electric prototypes. By then it was obvious that the technology would not work in anything approaching a cost-effective fashion. Why did they continue?
Two nonparticipants -- Honda (Insight) and Toyota (Prius) -- had already demonstrated the futility of trying to produce the impossible cheaply. And both were in the process of finding out that gas is so inexpensive in this country (despite its 40 cents per gallon tax) that no one except diehard technophiles and hyper-greens are willing to shell out several thousand extra for a hybrid.
[...]
Honda's prototype, the JV-X, was completed in 1997. Toyota's was even earlier, as the Japanese Prius was first sold in 1997. Years before the Big Three bothered to finish their prototypes, both Toyota and Honda let it be known they were losing big bucks on these cars, and neither company, when pressed, would say if or when they would make a profit on them. That's because the answers are no and never.
Amazingly, and despite largely glowing reviews and favorable articles by our green press, demand has been weak. [The Washington Times, 8/20/01]

Four Months Later, Toyota Announces It Is Making A Profit On Prius. The Los Angeles Times reported at the time in an article titled "Toyota Says It's Now Turning A Profit On The Hybrid Prius":

Toyota Motor Corp. said it is starting to make a profit from its Prius gasoline-electric hybrid car, four years after introducing the low-pollution vehicle.
Higher production volume of the Prius, introduced in Japan in 1997 and in the U.S. last year, and technological gains are helping the costs of its advanced battery and electrical components, said Hiroyuki Watanabe, Toyota's senior managing director for hybrid and fuel-cell systems. [Los Angeles Times, 12/19/01]

Prius Now World's Third Best-Selling Car. Bloomberg reported:

Toyota Motor Corp. (7203)'s Prius, a niche oddity when it went on sale 15 years ago, jumped to the world's third best-selling car line in the first quarter as U.S. demand and incentives in Japan turned the hybrid into a mainstream hit. [Bloomberg, 5/29/12, via Media Matters]

Michaels' Climate Excuses Didn't Pan Out

On The Hemispheres

Michaels Mocked IPCC's "Scary" Assertion That Northern Hemisphere Will Warm Up Faster. From a 1992 op-ed by Michaels in The Washington Times on the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change's (IPCC) assertions in 1990:

IPCC Assertion: "The Northern Hemisphere [where everybody lives and almost all of the world's food is produced: scary] will warm faster than the Southern. Fact: According to the last 30 years' data from any source - satellites, ships, or Pop's thermometer - the opposite has been occurring. Our figure subtracts Southern Hemisphere temperatures from Northern ones since 1950, and if the United Nations is right, the trend line should be going up. Instead, it is pointed significantly downward. The United Nations is using a forecast that has the world turned upside down as a basis to induce major controls on the energy economy. A few pages later, the Policy-makers Summary asserts that "the temperature rise has been broadly similar in both hemispheres." [The Washington Times, 4/8/92, via Nexis]

Northern Hemisphere Heated Up More Than Southern Hemisphere. Climate Central reported on the results of two studies:

If global warming were a race, the Northern Hemisphere would be winning. It is warming faster than the Southern Hemisphere, with some of the most rapid warming rates on Earth located in the Arctic, where sea and land ice is shrinking and thinning. Not only is the North winning now, but projections show that, largely due to the influence of manmade greenhouse gas emissions, it is likely to widen its lead in the coming decades.
[Climate Central, 4/9/13]

This graph, created using NASA's Global Maps tool, shows temperature anomalies in both hemispheres from 2000 to 2012, as compared to 1951 to 1980:

[NASA's Global Maps tool, accessed 7/1/3]
On The Urban Heat Island Effect

Michaels In 1989: Warming Over Last Century May Simply Be "Artificial." Michaels pushed the idea that "there may have been no global warming to speak of during the last century" and that this was instead "artificial" warming from the urban heat island effect:

Twentieth-century U.S. temperature data, which formed a part of NASA's congressional testimony last year, hide a drastic warm-measurement bias. NOAA scientist Tom Karl, who arguably knows more about regional climate variation than anyone in the world, has calculated that NASA's record over the United States has warmed up nearly a degree during this century mainly because cities tend to grow up around their weather stations, not because of the greenhouse effect.
If the effect of urbanization ("artificial" warming) on the temperature record averages the same over the rest of the world (and there's no reason to believe it doesn't), then there may have been no global warming to speak of during the last century. Karl's finding surprised none of us who daily toil with the data. But it should be a major shock to those who are using those figures for policy purposes. [The Washington Post, 1/8/89, via Nexis]

A Peer-Reviewed Study Found "No Evidence" That Temperature Trends Are "Inflated Due To Poor Station Siting." A 2010 peer-reviewed study by NOAA scientists and published in the Journal of Geophysical Research addressed the issue of temperature stations sited near heat sources and found "no evidence" that the temperature trends "are inflated due to poor station siting." Peter Thorne of NOAA's National Climatic Data Center referenced the study, and told The New York Times' Andrew Revkin that "if anything, we are under-estimating the real world warming trends for the contiguous United States." [Journal of Geophysical Research, 6/8/10] [The New York Times, 7/30/12]
On Nighttime Warming

Michaels: Warming Is Only During Nighttime, Which Is Beneficial. From a 1991 article by The Oregonian:

Michaels, in a paper presented Monday at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, said evidence now suggests that most warming would likely occur at night in high latitudes. He added that that could be beneficial because nighttime warming may mean fewer droughts, a longer growing season and better crop yields.
If global warming occurs primarily at night, polar temperatures would remain far enough below freezing to minimize the melting of polar ice and a rise in sea levels.
Night temperatures have been rising in the Northern Hemisphere since 1950, Michaels said, although overall temperatures haven't changed significantly.
[...]
"The critical scientific question on global environmental change is not how much will the globe warm but rather how will it warm?'' said Michaels, who is Virginia's state climatologist. [The Oregonian, 2/19/91, via Nexis]

Experts: Nighttime Heat Is Especially Dangerous For People. The Associated Press reported:

Excessive heat is the No. 1 weather killer in the United States and it's at its most dangerous when it doesn't cool down at night.
[...]
Q: What's so disturbing about this current heat wave?
A: It's unrelenting stubbornness. There is no relief at night. Phoenix set a record for highest nighttime temperature: 91. Las Vegas has gone three days without getting below 90, according to readings at the airport.
"Nighttime heat is especially bad," said Eli Jacks, chief of fire and public weather services at the National Weather Service. "Not to get below 90 is crazy."
Q: What's so dangerous about that?
If you aren't in an air-conditioned place, "your body never has a chance to recover" at night, Jacks said. Normally the "feels-like" index -- which factors in temperature and humidity -- has to get to 80 degrees or below for your body to recover from the daytime heat, Jacks said.
The lack of nighttime cooling is more dangerous than the 117 degree all-time record in Las Vegas, experts said.
Q: How do heat waves compare to other weather killers?
A: In recent years, heat has been more deadly than other weather extremes in the United States. [The Associated Press, 7/1/13, via The Washington Post]

Daily Record Highs Have Also Increased. A 2009 study by scientists at the National Center for Atmospheric Research found that daily record highs occurred twice as often as record lows over the last decade. Although the press release noted that this was "could be attributed more to a comparatively small number of record lows than to a large number of record highs," indicating "much of the nation's warming is occurring at night," record highs also increased:

[National Center for Atmospheric Research, 11/12/09]
On Satellites

Michaels: Satellites, Which Almost "Cannot Be Wrong," Show No Warming. From a 1998 Washington Times op-ed by Michaels:

The three measures [according to a paper by the National Climatic Data Center] were land surface temperatures, which by definition are hardly global; sea surface temperatures taken from ships; and data from a network of buoys whose deployment was begun in the mid-1980s. The last two measurements are very different from the first, and in order to create the desired fruit salad, NCDC adjusted the sea surface temperature data up by 25 percent after 1982. That certainly might make things appear to be a bit warmer in recent years!
In point of fact, the sea surface temperature data are increasingly at odds with air temperatures taken over the ocean. No one knows the reason for this, but the air temperatures just happen to match up perfectly with those recorded by NASA's satellites, which happen to match up perfectly with the Weather Bureau's (what it was called before it became a "service") weather balloons. None of those records shows a lick of global warming in the last 20 years.
Parenthetically, we might note that recent reports about the satellite data being in error are themselves in error. Annual temperature averages taken by weather balloons look exactly like those measured by the satellites. So the satellite cannot be wrong unless, somehow, thermometers in the 1,125,000 weather balloons launched over the last 20 years have been making exactly the same mistakes in temperature measurement as the satellites. [The Washington Times, 8/31/98, via Nexis, emphasis added]

After Errors Were Fixed, Satellites Showed Same Amount Of Warming As Surface Temperatures. The New York Times reported in 2005:

Some scientists who question whether human-caused global warming poses a threat have long pointed to records that showed the atmosphere's lowest layer, the troposphere, had not warmed over the last two decades and had cooled in the tropics.
Now two independent studies have found errors in the complicated calculations used to generate the old temperature records, which involved stitching together data from thousands of weather balloons lofted around the world and a series of short-lived weather satellites.
A third study shows that when the errors are taken into account, the troposphere actually got warmer. Moreover, that warming trend largely agrees with the warmer surface temperatures that have been recorded and conforms to predictions in recent computer models.
The three papers were published yesterday in the online edition of the journal Science. [The New York Times, 8/12/05]

Who Is Patrick Michaels, Cato's Contrarian Climate Scientist?

Despite Being One Of A Few Contrarians, Michaels Is Prominent Media Figure. Michaels made about 49 major media appearances from 2007 to July 2011 (13 of them on Fox News), according to a Nexis search. In addition, The Washington Times and Forbes often publish opinion pieces by Michaels and do not disclose his funding from the fossil fuel industry. Yet during that time, Michaels only published four peer-reviewed climate articles. In comparison, 97 percent of the most actively publishing climate researchers agree that "most" of recent warming is manmade, and 84 percent of climate scientists say the public should be told to be worried or "very worried" about climate change. Despite this, USA TODAY, The Washington Post, and CNN all hosted or quoted Patrick Michaels in 2012.

[Media Matters, 7/7/11] [Media Matters, 6/25/13] [Skeptical Science, accessed 7/9/13] [Cato, accessed 7/9/13] [Nexis search, 7/10/13]
Michaels Estimated That 40 Percent Of His Funding Comes From Fossil Fuel Industries. In 2010, Patrick Michaels estimated that about 40 percent of his funding comes from fossil fuel industries:

FAREED ZAKARIA, CNN HOST: Can I ask you what percentage of your work is funded by the petroleum industry?
PATRICK MICHAELS: I don't know. Forty percent? I don't know. [CNN, Fareed Zakaria GPS, 8/15/10, via Think Progress]

Michaels Initially Did Not Disclose His Publication Was Funded By Coal Industry Association. The Society of Environmental Journalists reported in 2007 that Michaels initially did not disclose that World Climate Report, published by Michaels' PR firm New Hope Environmental Services, was partially funded by the Western Fuels Association, an association of coal mining companies and coal-fired utilities:

Michaels' web publication, World Climate Report, and its skeptical predecessors have been heavily funded by coal and electric utility industries with a large financial stake in preventing regulation of greenhouse emissions. In the 1990s, he published World Climate Review without clearly disclosing in the publication itself that it was funded by the Western Fuels Association - until after journalist Bud Ward brought this to light in the Environment Writer newsletter. [Society of Environmental Journalists, 9/19/07] [Western Fuels Association, accessed 7/8/13]

Patrick Michaels later refused to disclose the donors for New Hope Environmental Services in a trial where he was retained by automobile manufacturers and dealers attempting to prevent Vermont from regulating greenhouse gases, as he stated in an affidavit:

[O]n or around April 7, 2007, I informed plaintiffs' counsel that I would not testify at trial. My sole reason in doing so as concern that my trial testimony would result in the loss of confidentiality for the New Hope information.
[...]
Large companies are understandably adverse to negative publicity. Thus, the global warming controversy has created an environment in which companies who wish to support New Hope's research and advocacy about global warming science are increasingly willing to do so only if their support remains confidential.
Public disclosure of a company's funding of New Hope and its employees has already caused considerable financial loss to New Hope. For example, in 2006 Tri-State Generation & Transmission Association, Inc., an electric utility, had requested that its support of $50,000 to New Hope be held confidential. After this support was inadvertently made public by another New Hope client, Tri-State informed me that it would no longer support New Hope because of adverse publicity. Also, in 2006, when a $100,000 contract between New Hope and electric utility Intermountain Rural Electric Association to synthesize and research new findings on global warming became public knowledge, a public campaign was initiated to change the composition of the board of directors so that there would be no additional funding. That campaign was successful, as Intermountain has not provided further funding. [Affidavit of Patrick Michaels, 7/06/07, via SourceWatch]

Yet Michaels Accused Scientists Of Adjusting Data For Money. Michaels wrote in a 2008 Wall Street Journal op-ed "If global warming isn't a threat, who needs all that funding?":

There have been six major revisions in the warming figures in recent years, all in the same direction. So it's like flipping a coin six times and getting tails each time. The chance of that occurring is 0.016, or less than one in 50. That doesn't mean that these revisions are all hooey, but the probability that they would all go in one direction on the merits is pretty darned small.
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This prompts the ultimate question: Why is the news on global warming always bad? Perhaps because there's little incentive to look at things the other way. If you do, you're liable to be pilloried by your colleagues. If global warming isn't such a threat, who needs all that funding? Who needs the army of policy wonks crawling around the world with bold plans to stop climate change? [The Wall Street Journal, 4/18/08, via Factiva]

This was not the first time Michaels had accused scientists of stoking fears of climate change for money, writing in 1992: "if you think that scientists are going to jump up and say, well, maybe my cash cow (global warming, global cooling, acid rain, the ozone hole, air pollution, water pollution, AIDS, deforestation, biodiversity, population, etc . . . ) isn't the end of the world after all, and please pass the funding somewhere else or just save it, you probably believe that men get pregnant." [The Washington Times, 6/29/92, via Nexis]

https://www.skepticalscience.com/pat...ate-wrong.html

NOAA hasn’t come out and stated it yet, but…………

Hottest June Puts 2015 On Track For Hottest Year On Record By Far

NASA reported Wednesday that this was the hottest June on record (tied with 1998). And it’s now all but certain 2015 will be the hottest year on record, probably by a wide margin — as what increasingly appears to be one of the strongest El Niños in 50 years boosts the underlying global warming trend.

Climate expert Dr. John Abraham amended this NASA chart to show how the first six months of 2015 compares to the annual temperatures of previous years:

The gap between 2015 and all other years seen in that chart is likely to grow because the El Niño that NOAA announced a few months ago has been growing stronger — and it is projected to grow even stronger and last the entire year. The rising ocean temperatures in the central and eastern equatorial Pacific, which are characteristic of an El Niño, just keep rising.

“Confidence continues to grow that this El Niño will be one of the stronger El Niños over the past 50 years,” AccuWeather Senior Meteorologist Brett Anderson said Thursday.

El Niño Southern Oscillation (ENSO) junkies should be following the Twitter feed of the International Research Institute (IRI) for Climate & Society, where you will learn “Last week’s NINO3.4 temps were ~+1.5. If that level holds for the month of July, the #ElNino will be considered a strong event” and “#ElNino forecast is off the charts! Both dynam & stats models calling for stronger event than last month.” You’ll also see this:

There is a greater than 85 percent chance that the current El Niño lasts through May. As AccuWeather’s Anderson explains, “El Niño typically reaches its peak during the December through February period.”

If this pattern plays out, then 2016 would likely top whatever temperature record 2015 sets — again, possibly by a wide margin. After all, the blowout temperature year in the 1997/1998 super El Niño was 1998.

If you look at the NASA temperature chart closely, you may notice that they have updated a lot of their temperatures going back for decades. NASA explains what they did here — essentially they started using better sea surface temperature data from NOAA. As a result of this update to higher quality and “substantially more complete input data,” the ongoing human-caused global warming has become even clearer to see.

Bottom Line: The warming trend that made 2014 the hottest calendar year on record is continuing. As some climate scientists have said, it’s increasingly likely we’re witnessing the start of the long-awaited jump in global temperatures.

Originally Posted by RPETER65

No I do not take everything I read that comes from a conservative source to be absolute fact, I actually get my news from conservative and progressive sources and sort it out as to what makes sense.

but what you do do is believe anything from any source as absolute fact if it says what you would like to be true. Thats why you read stuff and post it on this thread without ever going that extra step of seeing if its been debunked or not