Thread: Rethinking the state of Israel

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by TonyBKK

^ I think you need to get your eyes checked bro...

Are you black? No. I am not your bro, yank trash that you are.



The pleft face of the con, enlarged and placed over the edge of the Israel and Lebanon coast line. Almost a perfect fit. You are about to tell me now that the coin was not misshapen then, but actually pressed into that shape following the coast line. in 40 BC. When mapping and coin making were not exactly great. Even is you do go this way of thinking, why is it still in the shape of greater israel as planned for in the early 1900's?

You are a troll pal. You know nothing and just regurgitate what you see on CNN.

Your picture of the coast of Israel seems
to be different to every other coastline map of Israel .

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by TonyBKK

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Are you black? No. I am not your bro, yank trash that you are.



The pleft face of the con, enlarged and placed over the edge of the Israel and Lebanon coast line. Almost a perfect fit. You are about to tell me now that the coin was not misshapen then, but actually pressed into that shape following the coast line. in 40 BC. When mapping and coin making were not exactly great. Even is you do go this way of thinking, why is it still in the shape of greater israel as planned for in the early 1900's?

You are a troll pal. You know nothing and just regurgitate what you see on CNN.

Like I said bro, you really should get your eyes checked... It seems you are seeing what you want to see, rather than what is real...

Honestly? You can not see a resemblance? Even a little? If you can't you are again shown to pigshit stupid or blind. Which is it?

^ says the conspiracy nut who claims Israel killed JFK and owns the United States of America.

Conspiracy theorists and Bible weirdo's can can rethink the state of Israel all they want, but currently the issue is the state of Palestine, under Israeli military occupation.

Originally Posted by Fluke

The picture that you posted on here is from a book called "The protocols of the elders of Zion" and the book is an anti Semitic hoax and its been known to be a hoax for over one hundred years. The picture was published by the Iranian Government.

Are you trying to claim that the quest for Greater Israel is a hoax or only that you believe that the protocols of the elders of Zion are a hoax?

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by Fluke

The picture that you posted on here is from a book called "The protocols of the elders of Zion" and the book is an anti Semitic hoax and its been known to be a hoax for over one hundred years. The picture was published by the Iranian Government.

Are you trying to claim that the quest for Greater Israel is a hoax or only that you believe that the protocols of the elders of Zion are a hoax?

Both .

Originally Posted by Fluke

You picture of the coast of Israel seems
to be different to every other coastline map of Israel .

YHou have not included lebabon in the north. But there again, manipulating to discredit is the only thing you can do. Just like the Israel lobby does.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Heh, just for kicks, what country is at the centre of the CNN globe? Any Ideas?

Dunno bro, that's a pretty small pic, and we all know your eyes are bad, but if I had to guess, I'd say Turkey and the Black Sea are at the center of that graphic...

this edge is on the 10-agorot-coin 3 millimeters long...

the only edge i could find, which just remotely resembles this "apparently" more structured orignial coin...

and if going from these 3 mm, then the rest doesnt add up with the irianian paper... not at all...

Originally Posted by Fluke

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Originally Posted by Fluke

The picture that you posted on here is from a book called "The protocols of the elders of Zion" and the book is an anti Semitic hoax and its been known to be a hoax for over one hundred years. The picture was published by the Iranian Government.

Are you trying to claim that the quest for Greater Israel is a hoax or only that you believe that the protocols of the elders of Zion are a hoax?

Both .

The reason for saying it s a fake is because an aspect was taken from another book, which itself had taken it from another book. Well clearly all religious books are fake then if this makes something a fake. It matters not though - you are well known for your support of rogue state israel and refuse to hear anything bad about them and fail to think they could ever do anything bad. Poor little israel. Soo poor and defenceless.

two direct quotes from the first leader of Israel and the father of zionism is not enough to convince you either about greater islael? I guess they both were Antisemites and self haters. I bet in your eyes Ben Gurion was a nazi?

Originally Posted by sabang

Conspiracy theorists and Bible weirdo's can can rethink the state of Israel all they want, but currently the issue is the state of Palestine, under Israeli military occupation.

Very pertinent Sabang.

So, over in Gaza.....

Six-mile not enough for Gaza fishermen
Israel's blockade has led to hundreds of fishermen being laid off, leaving their families without any source of income. "Even a six-mile limit is insufficient," said Abu Ahmed, "as the bigger fish are found beyond that."

Palestinian fishermen do not trust Israel's announcement that they will be allowed to work up to six nautical miles offshore. They fear that this could be a public relations exercise, reported Middle East Monitor.

The decision by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his Defence Minister Moshe Yaalon cancelled an earlier order to reduce the fishing zone to three nautical miles. The internationally-recognised territorial waters extend to 12 miles, but Israel has imposed a 3-mile limit as part of its blockade of the Gaza Strip.

Israel's blockade has led to hundreds of fishermen being laid off, leaving their families
without any source of income. "Even a six-mile limit is insufficient," said Abu Ahmed, "as the bigger fish are found beyond that."

The head of Al-Tawfiq Cooperative for Gaza Fishermen, Mahmoud al-Asi, pointed out that a real diversity of fish is only found beyond 12 nautical miles, so even a six-mile limit is unsatisfactory. One fisherman pointed out that his colleagues have yet to understand what exactly pleases the Israelis as far as Gaza's once-thriving fishing industry is concerned.

There are about 3,700 Palestinian fishermen in Gaza, working from 700 boats. Prior to 2000, there were 30,000 fishermen, with the Oslo Accords allowing them to sail up to 18 nautical miles off the coast.

Ahhh so the lovely kind nice Israeli's, despite the internationally-recognised territorial waters extend to 12 miles for Palestine, have even illegally occupied this as well? Result? Loss of work and food for Palestine.

Ohh so nice they are - thank you Israel for pushing more hardship on this people.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Heh, just for kicks, what country is at the centre of the CNN globe? Any Ideas?

Alright bro, just for shits and giggles I decided to figure out what's at the center of that graphic.

I know you were hoping it would support your silly conspiracy theory about Israel controlling the media, but sorry to disappoint you- the center of that map is right around the eastern border of Turkey and western borders of Armenia and Iran.


C'mon bro, don't let the FACTS get in the way of your delusions! I'm sure you can do better!

Originally Posted by pseudolus

two direct quotes from the first leader of Israel and the father of zionism is not enough to convince you either about greater islael? I guess they both were Antisemites and self haters. I bet in your eyes Ben Gurion was a nazi?

ben gurion saw the holocaust, he survived it and soon after he got to know about the full dimensions of the murder....

for someone who was there, saw and survived slaughtering the people, and then being the leader of the only refugee his people could take at the time, im extremely impressed by him and others, that none of them got into blind hatred or injustice...

israel went to ask those, who were not really all that supporting while they had been seeking refugee, for their state... and they accepted the small portion... till today, israel hasnt tried to create a "greater israel" by attack wars...

Gaza exports have plummeted under Israeli blockade
Gaza's exports have dropped by 97 percent since 2007, limiting the chances that Gazans can wean themselves off of international aid.

After a wave of international flotillas laden with humanitarian supplies for Gaza were headed off by Israeli forces, with one standoff resulting in nine deaths, Mahfouz Kabariti had a new idea: a reverse flotilla that would carry symbolic Gazan exports like embroidery, carpets, and dates to foreign customers.
Gazans need “trade not aid,” says the dapper Mr. Kabariti as he polishes his glasses at an open-air restaurant in Gaza City. The vast Mediterranean stretches into the distance behind him, a seemingly open portal to the world.
But since Hamas seized control of the Gaza Strip in 2007, Israel has enforced a strict naval blockade off Gaza’s coast, citing security concerns such as ships carrying Iranian-supplied weapons to Hamas, which is designated as a terrorist group by Israel, the US, and Europe. The blockade has put the kibosh on exporting anything from Gaza by sea, and only very limited exports are allowed by land through the Israeli-controlled Kerem Shalom crossing, stymieing Gaza’s manufacturing potential.
“If Israel is telling the truth that they have not occupied since 2005, they will allow the ship out,” says Kabariti, head of the Palestine Association for Fishing and Marine Sports. He plans to have “Gaza’s Ark” ready by the end of summer. “If not, they are a liar; this is collective punishment and it’s against international law.”
IN PICTURES: Smugglers' tunnels at the Egypt and Gaza border
BALANCING SECURITY AND DIGNITY
His challenge gets to the heart of the debate over Israeli policy toward Gaza: whether it is obliged to maintain such strict control over the flow of goods and people in and out of Gaza for security reasons, or whether it is blurring the lines between civilian and military matters. Kabariti and others argue that the restrictions on exports not only deprive Gazan entrepreneurs of their livelihoods, but also deprive them of the basic dignity of providing for oneself and one’s family.
While Israel has been gradually easing its restrictions on Gaza over the past three years, a new report by Israeli NGO Gisha says that the recent closures of Israeli crossings for goods and people in response to Gaza rocket fire appears to mark a meaningful step back.
“Imposing access restrictions which are not directly necessary for security, do not distinguish between civilians and combatants and disproportionately disrupt civilian life, constitutes a breach of Israel’s obligations toward Gaza’s residents under international law,” says the report.
But Col. Grisha Yakubovich, head of civilian coordination for Israel’s Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories (COGAT), says there has been no change in policy toward Gaza since 2010. “From time to time we are having this situational assessment and decisions are being taken, and in some periods of time, we need to take those measures that will help and create the only thing that is needed – security,” he said at a media briefing this week, in response to a question about the Gisha report.
Exports as well as imports must be regulated for security reasons, he added, because they pass through Israel en route to foreign destinations.
TRADE UPS AND DOWNS
After the May 2010 Mavi Mamara incident, in which Israeli naval commandos killed 9 Turkish activists in a standoff aboard the flagship of a Gaza-bound flotilla, Israel announced a new “civilian policy” toward Gaza. The policy marked a switch from banning all items except those on an approved list to approving all items except those on a banned list.
Since 2010, trade between Israel and Gaza at the Kerem Shalom crossing has increased nearly 75 percent, from .9 million tons to 1.56 million tons in 2012. This positive trend was boosted after the November 2012 cease-fire between Israel and Hamas that ended an eight-day conflict in which Gaza militants attacked cities as far away as Tel Aviv and Israel responded with punishing air strikes.
However, in recent months, trade has dropped off as Israel repeatedly closed its two crossings in response to Gaza violations of the cease-fire. According to a report last week by Gisha, an Israeli NGO that advocates lifting Israeli restrictions on the Gaza Strip, imports dropped by 17 percent while the number of individuals who traveled to Israel dropped by 44 percent.
In addition, the number of trucks carrying goods from Gaza into Israel over the past three months dropped by 37.5 percent over the same period last year, and some products destined for export – such as 2.5 tons of mint – were lost due to delays at the Kerem Shalom crossing.
While some exports do leave Gaza, such as a spice export several months ago, a furniture shipment this month, and seasonal agricultural exports supported by the Netherlands, Gaza merchants are with few exceptions banned from exporting to Israel and the West Bank, which once accounted for an estimated 85 percent of Gaza exports.
That helps explain why only 134 truckloads of exports left Gaza in 2012, down from 4,769 in 2007 – a 97 percent drop – according to a fact sheet by the United Nations Office of Coordination for Humanitarian Affairs for occupied Palestinian territory.
RISKING RADICALIZATION?
Thanks in part to the export restrictions, which have led to the closures of many factories, some 80 percent of Gazans today receive aid, according to the United Nations. The inability to earn one’s own way in the world can lead to demoralization and potential radicalization, particularly among Gaza’s young people, who face unemployment rates as high as 60 percent, according to Israeli statistics.
“Once sons feel that their father is not able to secure food … this will have a very bad impression on them of their father… and might send youth to very bad directions; they might join some fundamentalist group,” says Kabariti, who recently started a sailing club to give Gazan youths a positive outlet. “But if he can earn a living, this will enable him to feel proud, to feel dignity and happiness.”
Some hope an expected visit from Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan later this month will help pressure Israel to ease its restrictions further.
“The visit of the Turkish prime minister is a message that Turkey is on the playground,” said Alaa al-Batta of Gaza’s Committee to Break the Siege, which is run out of the foreign ministry, in an April interview. “Our aim of his visit is at least to minimize the siege.”

I think we should all thank the kind and benevolent Israel for doing the following;

After a wave of international flotillas laden with humanitarian supplies for Gaza were headed off by Israeli forces,

We would not want people in concentration camps and ghettoised to receive humanitarian supplies like medicine or emergency food supplies.

Sound familiar?

During the war, the ICRC failed to obtain an agreement with Nazi Germany about the treatment of detainees in concentration camps, and it eventually abandoned applying pressure to avoid disrupting its work with POWs.

The irony is rather bitter.

Originally Posted by TonyBKK

don't let the FACTS get in the way of your delusions!

white phosphorus school -

Have a look at what you support so passionately.

Alitongkat - sorry, you are wrong. They are doing to people exactly what happened to the Jewish people around the world just prior to the exterminations. No different. This is why so many of my Jewish brother abhor israel, but more importantly the fools int he US who allow them to do this, blindly following what their tvs tell them, and confusing the Palestine fight for the right to exist with the US funded terrorists who bomb U s cities.

i agree, that the occupation on palestine must end...

though, if i was israeli, i might think "...and then they want the rest of us, too"...

i dont think, the palestine-conflict is the reason or even a motivation for terrorists, its just an excuse... if this conflict is gone, the terrorists will find another excuse...

nevertheless, its weird, that the US blocks any efforts to resolve the conflict between israel and the palestinians (at the UN)....

pseudolus I cannot keep up with you . Coins, Maps, Nazis, fisherman , White phosphorus , Gaza, floatillas , Saudi Arabia , concerntration camps , Lebbanon CNN s globe , Ben Gurion , the elders of Zion ,Ben Zygier ,Theodore Herzl ,Rabbi Fischmann ,Johann Eisenmenger , Ben Gurion.
I cannot keep up with all the different topics .

Originally Posted by Fluke

pseudolus I cannot keep up with you . Coins, Maps, Nazis, fisherman , White phosphorus , Gaza, floatillas , Saudi Arabia , concerntration camps , Lebbanon CNN s globe , Ben Gurion , the elders of Zion ,Ben Zygier ,Theodore Herzl ,Rabbi Fischmann ,Johann Eisenmenger , Ben Gurion.
I cannot keep up with all the different topics .

Originally Posted by Fluke

pseudolus I cannot keep up with you . Coins, Maps, Nazis, fisherman , White phosphorus , Gaza, floatillas , Saudi Arabia , concerntration camps , Lebbanon CNN s globe , Ben Gurion , the elders of Zion ,Ben Zygier ,Theodore Herzl ,Rabbi Fischmann ,Johann Eisenmenger , Ben Gurion.
I cannot keep up with all the different topics .

Don't forget aliens are real, Israel killed JFK, and Israel own the United States of America

Originally Posted by Fluke

pseudolus I cannot keep up with you . Coins, Maps, Nazis, fisherman , White phosphorus , Gaza, floatillas , Saudi Arabia , concerntration camps , Lebbanon CNN s globe , Ben Gurion , the elders of Zion ,Ben Zygier ,Theodore Herzl ,Rabbi Fischmann ,Johann Eisenmenger , Ben Gurion.
I cannot keep up with all the different topics .

I know - just so much for you to learn. Perhaps its best you go and have a beer with Tonybkk and talk about how great Israel is and try to work out why Israeli's receive $5,500 per person per year from the US tax bucket and US children receives about the same in direct outlay as opposed to tax credit? Who is more important to the people deciding where to spend US tax dollars? Your kids or Israeli's?

Rethinking the state of ISrael. It should stay put, not move as the OP says, but the US needs to kill off the israel lobbyists as they are damaging both Israel and the US, and in turn, the world.

Originally Posted by TonyBKK

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Heh, just for kicks, what country is at the centre of the CNN globe? Any Ideas?

Alright bro, just for shits and giggles I decided to figure out what's at the center of that graphic.

I know you were hoping it would support your silly conspiracy theory about Israel controlling the media, but sorry to disappoint you- the center of that map is right around the eastern border of Turkey and western borders of Armenia and Iran.


C'mon bro, don't let the FACTS get in the way of your delusions! I'm sure you can do better!

Your arrow points straight to Mt. Ararat, the cleansing bottleneck of the chosen people. Are you saying this is a coincidence?

Originally Posted by alitongkat

egypt gets the same money as israel from the US

source please.

Originally Posted by alitongkat

or is it ok to give to egypt, but not israel l?

Here's something to ponder. The US gives money to all Israels neighbours when they do what Israel wants and behave. If they start to thnk and act for themselves it is cut of, especially if they do something the US vocally disapproves of.

When was the last time Israel was cut off?

Money to the region is in essence more money spent on Israel. The difference being that the US has to approve what the other countries spend is on, from the US as well, where as Israel can do what it likes.

Originally Posted by Rainfall

Originally Posted by TonyBKK

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Heh, just for kicks, what country is at the centre of the CNN globe? Any Ideas?

Alright bro, just for shits and giggles I decided to figure out what's at the center of that graphic.

I know you were hoping it would support your silly conspiracy theory about Israel controlling the media, but sorry to disappoint you- the center of that map is right around the eastern border of Turkey and western borders of Armenia and Iran.


C'mon bro, don't let the FACTS get in the way of your delusions! I'm sure you can do better!

Your arrow points straight to Mt. Ararat, the cleansing bottleneck of the chosen people. Are you saying this is a coincidence?

"Cleansing bottleneck"??!?

If you want to choose Mt. Ararat as the center of that world map, which incidentally measures less than 80 pixels square, so be it.

I thought Mt Ararat is supposed to be the spot where Noah's Ark ended up (if you believe in such stories...)

I'm not sure which one of Pseudo's conspiracy theories that might support... Aliens? JFK? AIDS? Etc?

Originally Posted by pseudolus

try to work out why Israeli's receive $5,500 per person per year from the US tax bucket

Source please