Thread: Rethinking the state of Israel

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Until USA ceases to use Israel ...

People still don't get it, do they?

Nope. How can the US and UK public just not see that it is Israel using the US.

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by pseudolus

I don't actually think Israel will care or do anything about it. Why would they?

They will care when it hits them in the hip pocket nerve, and the decent international community is well overdue applying these screws- thanks only to US bullying. Time to get real. Time for Israel to get real.


One state, or two?

Should be two, will be one.

The majority of US politicians are neither Rep or Dem. They are AIPAC owned. The US will never actually do anything. They never have and they never will because even if the polulation of the US grew a pair and demanded Israel were punished, the people who could actually do something are owned by Israel So nothing will happen. Same in the UK.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

The majority of US politicians are neither Rep or Dem. They are AIPAC owned.

^ That's a pretty serious accusation.

Do you have any evidence to support your accusation or, like most of your posts on this forum, are you just making it up as you go along?

^I think if you use Google while at the same time spinning the propeller on your tinfoil beanie you'll be able to see the world ol' pseudo sees.

Originally Posted by TonyBKK

^ That's a pretty serious accusation. Do you have any evidence to support your accusation or, like most of your posts on this forum, are you just making it up as you go along?

Originally Posted by mao say dung

^I think if you use Google while at the same time spinning the propeller on your tinfoil beanie you'll be able to see the world ol' pseudo sees.

You two really are an interesting pairing. A telfer and a troll. Nice fit.

TrollBKK Mulitnik that you are, you are fucking naive if you believe anything else.

You feel free to pull out one reason why the US should give 3b+ to Israel every year, Veto anything that might go against Israels wishes, allow them to be nuclear armed.. in fact anything that is a positive to the US or any genuine reason why the US should be Israels whipping boy. Just one reason. One. Not lots. Just one. Name it and back it up with facts and figures if you like. Just one though. I guarantee you what ever you come up with will be wrong and I can easily prove it to be. So come on, big guy, lets see it.

Either of you actually - feel free to show me the error of my ways.

If you fail with this, I maybe jsut an occasion when the US has actually done something not favourable to Israel? Anything in the last 20 years say.

^I feel that I have quite clearly demonstrated both your stupidity and your reliance on hollow rhetoric any number of times.

But being as you are not the brightest bulb in the drawer, and love to go off on these little hate-filled rants, you are unlikely to see these "ways" as "errors", now, are you?

*What is a telfer by the way?

Originally Posted by mao say dung

^I feel that I have quite clearly demonstrated both your stupidity and your reliance on hollow rhetoric any number of times.

But being as you are not the brightest bulb in the drawer, and love to go off on these little hate-filled rants, you are unlikely to see these "ways" as "errors", now, are you?

*What is a telfer by the way?

You win. well done. You haven't done or said anything aside from post such as this though . Does declaring yourself champion on a forum made you feel better, telfer Mao?

Hate filled rants though? Where? Against who? Against myself?

Before you go off whining into the house with your ball, please tell me what a "telfer" is? As a long-time English instructor I maintain an interest in developments in the vocabulary.

Originally Posted by TonyBKK

Originally Posted by pseudolus

The majority of US politicians are neither Rep or Dem. They are AIPAC owned.

^ That's a pretty serious accusation.

Do you have any evidence to support your accusation or, like most of your posts on this forum, are you just making it up as you go along?

Still waiting bro...

Of course we all know you won't answer because you just made it up and don't have a shred of evidence to support your paranoid delusion.

Originally Posted by TonyBKK

Originally Posted by TonyBKK

Originally Posted by pseudolus

The majority of US politicians are neither Rep or Dem. They are AIPAC owned.

^ That's a pretty serious accusation.

Do you have any evidence to support your accusation or, like most of your posts on this forum, are you just making it up as you go along?

Still waiting bro...

Of course we all know you won't answer because you just made it up and don't have a shred of evidence to support your paranoid delusion.

Only cos you're bike is cool, I'll respond. Once you've sold it though, forget about it. You're back to being classed a cock again.

firstly, lobbying is basically corruption, so it is rather tough to prove as you desire which are owned by AIPAC and the other Israel lobby's. Now, note I use Israel Lobby and not the words that ADL prefer, the Jewish Lobby. ADL use that phrase so that as soon as someone says anything negative against ISrael, they label them as antisemite and their career is over. I appreciate you are most likely itching to call me that as well, so feel free. You are wrong, but carry on as it is in the script for you types.

did you see Chuck hagel on his knees sucking the Israel lobby prior to his appointment? Ever known a president candidate yet not be an avid pro israelite? Ever known any US policy EVER go against what is best for Israel? Ever seen the funding for Israel ever questioned to the point that something might happen about it?

Secondly, some would argue that the US / Israel is harmful for both the US and Israel. Israel is only as obnocious as it is because is has its big benevolent uncle standing behind him. With out that, they would have to pull it in a bit, compromise a 2 state solution, and stop attacking neighbours. Nearly all of the US terrorist problems start and finish with their foreign policy towards the middle east and Israel. Unfair and biased, crushing the same liberties in the middles east that they proclaim make them different back home. It benefits neither side in reality and makes life a lot more dangerous, except for the lobbying industry, who wield fortunes and power. The Israel lobby now exists for itself and a few prominent members of that lobby. For this to be successful, they have to buy politicians usually by informing them that if they value their career and want advancement, sign up to the We Love Israel treaty of 1987 and vote which ever way AIPAC tells them to. The last president that refused to crawl around Israel on his knees was JFK...and that's why they killed him.

Originally Posted by mao say dung

Before you go off whining into the house with your ball, please tell me what a "telfer" is? As a long-time English instructor I maintain an interest in developments in the vocabulary.

Originally Posted by Warrior

The handful of Isreali's in a sea of angry Arabs will for sure need their wall - and more - to surivive.

In your admirably naive way, you've managed to put your finger directly on the button that really counts in all these endless discussions of morality.

Originally Posted by Warrior

I couldnt care less.

And guess what... neither could the people responsible for the ongoing security of Israel. That would be my guess anyway.

As long as the US needs Gulf oil pumping, Israel will have them by the scrotum.

^Do you really think it's just about the oil?

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

As long as the US needs Gulf oil pumping, Israel will have them by the scrotum.

What does Israel have to do with oil?
I cant see any connection between oil and Israel at all.

Originally Posted by mao say dung

^Do you really think it's just about the oil?

The only reason Saudi is not dust yet and been hit with a "regime change" and "chemical weapons" is because of their reserves. As soon as they are gone, Israel want the northern third of Saudi and the US will get it for them. Israel has nothing to do with Oil really.

Israel does not need the US at all. Israel Owns the US. Israel, after all, has nothing to do with world jewry etc and everything to do with Zionism, and as a result is the country estate for a few very powerful families. How a look at who built the majority of the infrastructure and civil buildings in Israel. A couple of families basically built the lot - these families by the way are not exactly devout Jews either. They do however, own the businesses that own some other businesses that control another business that in essence controls the USA.

Originally Posted by Fluke

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

As long as the US needs Gulf oil pumping, Israel will have them by the scrotum.

What does Israel have to do with oil?
I cant see any connection between oil and Israel at all.

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Technically that's a mock up of Manhattan, but you get the idea.

Originally Posted by harrybarracuda

Technically that's a mock up of Manhattan, but you get the idea.

I dont get the idea , can you explain in words .

the creation of the state of Israel is obviously a monumental mistake

since the majority of the state is made of illegal invaded territory, they should be regarded as much as the PLA

Originally Posted by Warrior

Me? Anti-semitic?? I do not even know what a jew look like. And someone needed to explain to me that the name 'Rosenthal' probably indicated jewish origin.
I couldnt care less.

Rosenthal or Rosental is as much German than Jewish, 'rose valley'. Lots of places and villages by that name in Germany and Austria. I've seen Jews during the eighties in the USSR. Lived in shabby ghettos at the edges of villages and towns, bottom feeders the Russians, Tatars, Bashkirs and other people I met wanted nothing to do with. After the collapse of the USSR most of them emigrated to Israel, where they are by now the backbone of this country. I remember what they were and looked like, and doubt that moving to a different place changed them a bit.

Originally Posted by mao say dung

Care to explain what you mean by this and give a few examples?

UN, Asean, Arab League, non-aligned nations, EU are some examples.

Damning new report on EU's inaction over Israel

The European Union had failed to hold the Israeli government to account over its continuing human rights violations against Palestinians, including the demolition of houses, water systems and critical infrastructure, a damning new report has found.
In a harsh assessment, a coalition of more than 80 aid and development organisations represented by the Association of International Development Agencies (AIDA) found that despite its tough talk, the EU had not effectively addressed the Israeli policies that create ‘‘unbearable conditions’’ for many Palestinians living in the West Bank.
A year ago, all 27 EU member countries committed to challenging the expansion of Israeli settlements and the increasing pace of the demolition of Palestinian property in an area of the West Bank known as ‘‘Area C’’.

... In the last year, Israeli authorities destroyed 535 Palestinian-owned structures (including homes, emergency tents, essential infrastructure, water cisterns, and roads), displacing 784 people, more than half of them children, the report found.
In stark contrast, 613 housing have been built in Israeli settlements and tenders have been approved for at least 1,967 new settlement units — a four-fold increase since 2011, the report found.
Even the EU’s investment in the development of village plans to increase the pace of development in the area — seen as vital to improving the lives of Palestinians who live without the most basic of infrastructure such as running water and electricity — had been stymied by Israel, the AIDA report found.
Not one of the 32 European-funded village plans had been fully approved.
The harsh policies were designed to ‘‘force the displacement’’ of Palestinians living in the area, Mr Silva told Fairfax Media.
Read more: Damning new report on EU's inaction over Israel


Call it what you will- ethnic cleansing, apartheid etc- but if, as expected, the latest peace talk initiative fails due to Israeli intransigence, a sanctions regime is likely to get started.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

The last president that refused to crawl around Israel on his knees was JFK...and that's why they killed him.

I also feel that the Israeli lobby wields am inordinate amount of influence over US politics, but at the same time we must recognize that Israel is an integral part of America's foreign policy strategy in the Middle East.

Now, whether or not our foreign policy for the Middle East is effective and serving American interests is of course up for debate.

As for the rest of your post, I was with you... right up until that last delusional statement...

You really are a conspiracy nut aren't you?

Sorry, but you lose all credibility when you cling to such far out fantasies- Aliens are real, we created the AIDS virus, Israel killed JFK, Global Warming is a hoax, etc.

Originally Posted by pseudolus

Israel does not need the US at all. Israel Owns the US.

More tin hat paranoid delusions that as usual have no basis in fact...

Originally Posted by sabang

UN, Asean, Arab League, non-aligned nations, EU are some examples.

Well... I guess we have different ideas concerning "decency" if you consider these organizations to make up the "decent international community".