Thread: The Libyan Crisis

^I believe 50% of Pattaya and Phuket is made up of ex SAS and FL men. 200 baht a day and all found. They would do it for the buzz.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

^ spoken like a true proud European fascist,

BNP supporter by any chance ?

The BNP aren't fascists, they're phucking socialists, just like the clowns who keep bringing down economies in Europe. They want to nationalise everything (the clue's in the name), and are pretty hostile to foreign intervention (read up about it).

There's nothing fascist about invading a country to remove it's fascist dictator and re-establishing a viable oil industry to create jobs for it's people, as well as to take a cut for the cost and risk in doing all this, it's perfectly reasonable - when was the last time you did any work for anyone for free?

Originally Posted by OhOh

^I believe 50% of Pattaya and Phuket is made up of ex SAS and FL men. 200 baht a day and all found. They would do it for the buzz.

...or to top up their pension or sickness benefit, how many of them are under 50?!

Originally Posted by OhOh

50% of Pattaya and Phuket believe they're ex SAS and FL men.

There you go "ohoh" fixed that one for you!

Originally Posted by OhOh

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

how many of them are under 50?!

Once you have been one sonny you dont ever forget.

I'm sure there's counselling for that these days, daddy-o

Originally Posted by CaptainNemo

daddy-o

Dates you a little yourself.

US Congress votes against Libya funding - Channel NewsAsia


US Congress votes against Libya funding
Posted: 14 June 2011 1218 hrs


US Congress



"WASHINGTON: The US House of Representatives vote late Monday to prohibit the use of funds for American military operations in Libya.

Lawmakers adopted the amendment to a military appropriations bill by a vote of 248 to 163.

A number of members of Congress have recently expressed their dissatisfaction at President Barack Obama's decision to go ahead with operations in Libya in March and to continue without congressional authorization.

The amendment, introduced by Democratic representative Brad Sherman from California, invokes the War Powers Resolution, a 1973 law that limits presidential powers on sending troops abroad into combat zones without the consent of Congress.

Sherman's text states that "none of the funds made available by this act may be used in contravention of the War Powers Act."

According to the War Powers Resolution, the president must seek congressional authorization to send US troops into combat and must withdraw American forces within 60 days if Congress has not authorized the military action.

The same measure was presented in another bill to fund the Department of Homeland Security but failed to pass on June 2.

Lawmakers must still approve the appropriations bill as a whole and the measure must still be approved by the Senate.

The White House has been under rising pressure from congressional critics demanding details about US goals in Libya and questioning the likely costs and duration of the campaign, in which Washington now has a supporting role.

The House of Representatives recently passed a symbolic resolution chiding Obama for not seeking congressional approval for US involvement in Libya and giving him until June 17 to respond.

- AFP/cc"

Originally Posted by OhOh

The US House of Representatives vote late Monday to prohibit the use of funds for American military operations in Libya.

Still has to pass the Senate but will be significant if no US forces used in Libya. The air strikes will dwindle to a dribble.

Arr.... its a media war. The Yanks always lose heart when the going gets tough.
Its all yar, yar, yar and go! go! USA! when they are invading some little country on the other side of the world. But when the body bags start coming home and it drags on and on and on, the TV viewing US public start to tire of it. Especially when they realize their taxes are being diverted from serving the US public in order to pay for these wars.

USA has the biggest and most sophisticated military apparatus this planet has ever known. Yet they cant beat a bunch of radicals wearing sandals and bearing only light arms in places like Afghanistan and Iraq.

USA wants a war on terrorism and they are dam well getting it served up to them.
Its sending them broke in the process. An economy imploding from within as they seek to extend their financial empire around the world through military means.

It remains to be seen weather the people of USA will choose between the continuing military backed expansion of empire, which has worked in the past, or calling the troops home and consolidating the domestic economy for the benefit of its citizens.

Alas, I think it will be the former, even as the US citizens suffer a seriously declining standard of living. USA spends the equivalent of the whole rest of the world on its military and no other country or bloc could challenge them in conventional or nuclear terms. Where USA does fall down is in its battle against terrorists resisting their global imperial expansion. The terrorists defending their territory have no intention or hope of defeating USA in conventional warfare as it stands today. Rather they simply plan to outlast the will of the US public to wage war against them.

Belfast riots: two men shot in Short Strand violence - Telegraph



"Sinn Fein blamed scores of masked men for launching coordinated attacks on the republican Short Strand area. Police confirmed that two people suffered gunshot injuries and said the attacks were pre-meditated, with items such as surgical gloves and camoflauge clothing used.

Belfast mayor Niall O Donnghaile, a councillor based in the Short Strand area, said a number of nationalist residents had been injured, including one man knocked unconscious when he was hit on the head with a brick. Mr O Donnghaile said: "There is no doubt that this was unprovoked and was a carefully orchestrated and planned attack on the area. 'Homes have been attacked with petrol bombs and paint bombs, bricks, golf balls. I saw what happened."

Police were also attacked during the disturbances and advised motorists to avoid the area.

Ulster Unionist Michael Copeland said he believed the violence followed attacks on Protestant-owned homes. But Mr Copeland said homes on the mainly Protestant Newtownards Road had been targeted. "I would say it was several hundred involved in very serious, almost hand-to-hand fighting," he said."

The African Union (AU) has asked the UNSC to raise a resolution condemning the armed security forces of the UK use of forces against "unarmed civilians".

The AU are bulding a consensus amongst a group of nations, calling themselves "The Anti Colonialist Armada" to co-ordinate a relief expedition to help the "unarmed civilians" of Northern Ireland with "humanitarian aid" in their struggle.

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Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

The Libyan Crisis

Originally Posted by Mid

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Originally Posted by StrontiumDog

The Libyan Crisis

Yes I know but the similarities of the start of the "uprising" are remarkably similar and begs the question of "will the outcome be the same"?

Are you suggesting a new thread? If so please let me know.

Originally Posted by OhOh

Yes I know but the similarities of the start of the "uprising" are remarkably similar and begs the question of "will the outcome be the same"?

Can't see the UN bombing Belfast...anyway if it did it wouldn't make much difference it's already a complete f*cking shithole!

Originally Posted by The Bold Rodney

Originally Posted by OhOh

Yes I know but the similarities of the start of the "uprising" are remarkably similar and begs the question of "will the outcome be the same"?

Can't see the UN bombing Belfast...anyway if it did it wouldn't make much difference it's already a complete f*cking shithole!

Some of it, but on Malone Rd the houses start at about two million pounds....quite a classy shithole... Derry...now there is a shithole.

I'd take many places in NI over much of England's repressive little market towns.. Overall NI isn't a bad place by comparison - outwith the troubled spots.

http://mathaba.net/news/?x=627196

Million Man, Woman and Child March in Tripoli, Libya

"Even CNN was unable to ignore the million man, woman and child march that took place after months of ongoing marches and celebrations in support of Muammar Qaddafi and protests against NATO white colonialist aggression against the sovereign African nation of Libya

The Libyan people have been demonstrating and showing their adherence to their historic hero, Colonel Mu'ammar al-Qadhafi, who seized power from a corrupt ignominious king in 1969 and handed to to the masses on 2nd March 1977 when the world's first self-governing masses society came into existence, thanks to direct participatory democracy by way of people's conferences and people's committees.

Since then, Mu'ammar has dedicated his life to the people of Africa and the world, speaking truth to power,putting forward solutions to the problems facing humanity, and left The Green Book as his legacy to all future generations.

Since his address to the United Nations General Assembly in September 2009, in which he called for reform of the organization, he has been targeted for elimination by those who control the UN Security Council."

Libya conflict cost to be published - UK Politics, UK - The Independent

"The Government is to publish the most up-to-date cost of operations in Libya, Chancellor George Osborne said today.

Mr Osborne said the Ministry of Defence would reveal the cost of military operations within the next week after he was attacked by the shadow chancellor Ed Balls over the spiralling price of the conflict.

The Chancellor told the Commons: "What I told the House at the time was that the cost estimated at the time by the Ministry of Defence was in the tens of millions of pounds and the Ministry of Defence is planning within the next week I think to provide an update to the House on the costs.""

One would like to beleive that he knew, rather than thought, the MOD would be supplying accurate figures before he made the statement.

Typical Eton Pudding.

Tony Blair is going to be so happy to have his ill legacy soon forgotten by the Libyan disaster, all brought to you by the conservatives

Gaddafi revives offer of vote to end Libya conflict | Reuters

"(Reuters) - The Libyan government on Sunday renewed its offer to hold a vote on whether Muammar Gaddafi should stay in power, a proposal unlikely to interest his opponents but which could widen differences inside NATO.
Pressure is growing from some quarters within the alliance to find a political solution, three months into a military campaign which is costing NATO members billions of dollars, has killed civilians, and has so far failed to topple Gaddafi.

Moussa Ibrahim, a spokesman for Gaddafi's administration, told reporters in Tripoli the government was proposing a period of national dialogue and an election overseen by the United Nations and the African Union.

"If the Libyan people decide Gaddafi should leave he will leave. If the people decide he should stay he will stay," Ibrahim said.

But he said Gaddafi -- who has run the oil-producing country since taking over in a military coup in 1969 -- would not go into exile whatever happened. "Gaddafi is not leaving anywhere, he is staying in this country," Ibrahim said.

The idea of holding an election was first raised earlier this month by one of Gaddafi's sons, Saif al-Islam.

The proposal lost momentum when Libyan Prime Minister Al-Baghdadi Ali Al-Mahmoudi appeared to dismiss it. At the time, it was also rejected by anti-Gaddafi rebels in the east of Libya, and by Washington.

Many analysts say Gaddafi and his family have no intention of relinquishing power. Instead, they say, the Libyan leader is holding out the possibility of a deal to try to widen cracks that have been emerging in the alliance against him.

The election proposal could find a more receptive audience this time around, especially after a NATO bomb landed on a house in Tripoli on June 19, killing several civilians.

After that incident, alliance-member Italy said it wanted a political settlement, and also said that the civilian casualties threaten NATO's credibility.

NATO ULTIMATUM

Libyan government forces have been fighting rebels, backed by NATO air power, since February 17, when thousands of people rose up in a rebellion against Gaddafi's rule.

The revolt has turned into the bloodiest of the Arab Spring uprisings sweeping the Middle East.

Rebels now control the eastern third of the country, and some enclaves in the West. They have been unable though to break through to the capital, leaving Western powers banking on an uprising in Tripoli to overthrow Gaddafi.

Anti-Gaddafi fighters are trying to push west to Tripoli from Misrata, a city they control 200 km (130 miles) east of the capital. Their way is blocked by Gaddafi forces concentrated in the neighbouring town of Zlitan.

A rebel spokesman in Zlitan told Reuters that NATO has been attacking pro-Gaddafi forces in the town from the air.

"NATO has been doing a good job here," said the spokesman, called Mabrouk. "NATO has given the (pro-Gaddafi) brigades an ultimatum to leave their positions and checkpoints. It expires on June 26, tonight."

The alliance has in the past transmitted warnings to government troops by breaking into their radio frequencies and by dropping leaflets over their positions.

The rebel spokesman added: "The humanitarian situation is getting worse. There are shortages of foodstuffs and medicine. Fuel and gas do not exist."

The Libyan leader suffered a propaganda defeat on Saturday when, according to the rebel leadership in eastern Libya, four members of the national soccer team and 13 other football figures defected to the rebels.

Libyans are passionate about the sport and the national team was closely aligned with Gaddafi's rule. At one point his son, Saadi, played in the side.

Asked about the defections, government spokesman Ibrahim said: "The Libyan footall team is full and functioning and performing all of its duties inside and outside Libya."

HUMANITARIAN SWAP

A momentary thaw in the fighting allowed the Red Cross to reunite dozens of people, who had been caught on the wrong side of the conflict, with their families.

A ship, the Ionis, arrived in Tripoli's port on Sunday carrying 106 people from the main rebel stronghold in Benghazi, eastern Libya. Many of the passengers were elderly, and families with small children.

A crowd of a few dozen people waited for the ship to dock, among them Mohammed Al-Gimzi. "I love Muammar Gaddafi very much," he said.

When Al-Gimzi's sister disembarked from the ship, he rushed to greet her and the two stood weeping with their heads on each other's shoulders. "I am very happy to see my sister again," he said, tears running down his face.

As part of the same exchange, a ship carried around 300 people from Tripoli to Benghazi on Friday. They included dozens of rebel supporters who had been detained and later released.

"This is purely humanitarian, for families to meet with their loved ones and to be able to travel," Robin Waudo, a spokesman in Tripoli for the International Committee of the Red Cross, said on Sunday."

Another offer for "talks" from the Government of Libya.

Another threat from NATO murders against a Libyan city full of "unarmed civilians"

"The White House acknowledged late Friday that the Pentagon’s top lawyer and the Attorney General believe that the U.S.’s military actions against Libya amount to “hostilities,” a position that contravenes a theory espoused by the administration in a white paper sent to Congress Thursday.

Still, the White House insists that the Justice Department and the Defense Department believe that President Obama’s view is a reasonable and legitimate interpretation of the War Powers Act. A senior administration official confirmed the dispute Friday night after The New York Times reported that Defense Department General Counsel Jeh Johnson and Caroline Krass, the acting head of the Office of Legal Counsel at the Department of Justice, both concluded that the scope of the U.S.’s actions in Libya do amount to the definition of “hostilities” envisioned by the War Powers Act.

The Times reported that President Obama, his chief lawyer, Robert Bauer, and the State Department legal adviser, Harold Koh, thought that “hostilities” did not apply to the conflict. This is because no entity is firing at U.S. troops, troops are not in any danger, and the U.S. is simply complying with a United Nations resolution. If the action in Libya did trigger the War Powers Act, Obama would have been required to seek permission from Congress a month ago. He has not.

The U.S. provides intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance, ammunition and bombs, as well as targeting and planning for NATO’s campaign against the Libyan regime. The U.S. does not fly its pilots over the country, though it does use drones to fire missiles, and it has not tasked ground troops for the mission. Critics say that the administration's position would allow it to drop a bunker-busting bomb or launch a nuclear weapon against a regime, in a pre-emptive strike, and not technically be at "war." The administration clearly contemplated a much shorter duration of action when it first began airstrikes in February.

Congress has gotten antsy as the costs of the engagement have risen and as the regime itself shows few signs of collapsing. That comports with American intelligence assessments, which predicted that Libya’s leaders would successfully resist a NATO air campaign. It is not clear whether the Office of Legal Counsel expanded upon its position in a formal memorandum, or whether Krass indicated her views in informal discussions.

A senior administration official confirmed that Krass’s boss, the Attorney General, Eric Holder, supported her view. That Mr. Koh, a respected liberal, agreed with Obama and Bauer probably provided the President with intellectual cover despite the fact that the attorney representing the armed forces disagreed.
A White House spokesman, Eric Schultz, declined to elaborate on the disagreements and pointed to a statement by White House press secretary Jay Carney, in which he acknowledged disagreements and said the President welcomed a robust internal debate
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The War Powers Act, passed in 1973 after intense Congressional backlash to the scope of the undeclared wars in Korea and Vietnam includes the provision that “at any time that United States Armed Forces are engaged in hostilities outside the territory of the United States, its possessions and territories without a declaration of war or specific statutory authorization, such forces shall be removed by the President if the Congress so directs by concurrent resolution.”

At issue is the definition of “hostilities.” The Supreme Court would very likely leave the matter to be subject to a tussle between the executive and legislative branches, reasoning that Congress could simply cut off funding for the Libyan conflict if they believe the President is acting illegally. The President first must notify Congress that he has committed armed forces to a conflict. Then Congress must give its permission for the troops to remain past 60 days and a 30-day withdrawal period."

The morality of these murderers knows no bounds and will be judged in time.

Zuma slams Nato Libya operation as AU panel meets | RFI



A family reunited after the ICRC ship arrives in Tripoli from Benghazi

"South African President Jacob Zuma slammed Nato’s operation in Libya at the opening of the African Union’s (AU) Libya panel meeting in Pretoria. Rebels said they expected a proposal from Moamer Kadhafi “very soon” through French and South African intermediaries.

The UN resolution authorising the Nato bombing campaign “was not to authorise a campaign for regime change or political assassination", Zuma reportedly told opening talks of the AU panel on Libya.

He accused the military alliance of exceeding its mandate to “protect the Libyan people and facilitate the humanitarian effort".

British officials claim to be tracking Kadhafi’s movements and refraining from killing him because of the terms of the resolution, according to the Guardian newspaper on Friday.

Zuma, who visited Libya last month, also called on both Kadhafi and the rebel Transitional National Council (TNC) to make compromises to end the conflict, which could “destabilise the entire sub-region”.

An AU “roadmap” calls for a ceasefire and reforms "necessary for the elimination of the causes of the current crisis", but the TNC insists that Kadhafi end his grip on power as a condition for accepting any deal."

NATO's "democratic" terrorists reject free elections for Libya - English pravda.ru

"Representatives of the Libyan government and the opposition met on Thursday (16th) to discuss the crisis, said Mikhail Marguelov, diplomat sent to the country by Russian President Dmitri Medvedev. Meanwhile, the rebels and U.S. officials said they will not accept the election campaign proposed by the Libyan leader's son, Saif al-Islam Gaddafi.

Marguelov said the Tripoli authorities admitted they were in "direct contact" with the National Transitional Council (NTC), which represents the opposition against the Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi.

The Russian remained for several hours in the Libyan capital, in dialogue with Prime Minister Baghdadi al-Mahmoudi, and the Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs, Abdul Ati al-Obeidi, to articulate a mediation of the Kremlin to establish a ceasefire pact and further negotiations with the rebels.

According to the Russian, "the prime minister said that the last round of negotiations had taken place in Paris on Wednesday (15th)," with the knowledge of French President Nicolas Sarkozy, according to the diplomat.

Both Al-Mahmoudi and Marguelov agree that the dialogue with the Libyan government does not include discussion on the exit of Gaddafi from power. "This is an inviolable border," explained the Prime Minister while rejecting the pressures and conditions the West is trying to impose on Libya.

The Russian envoy was in Benghazi last week, meeting with terrorist leaders of the NTC, and declared, before arriving in Tripoli, that he believes that the Libyan opposition does not desire the death of Gaddafi.



Unarmed TNC "civilian"

Libyan television reported the stay of the Russian envoy and his evidence on the NATO air bombings, which hit in 44 attack missions, of which only 13 were supposedly military targets.

Foreign correspondents affirm that one of the places destroyed was the Wanzirik Hotel, situated in the center of the capital, near the complex of Bab al-Aziziya - where Gaddafi used to reside - causing at least 12 civilian casualties.

On the other hand, the local press reprinted excerpts from an interview with Saif al-Islam Gaddafi to an Italian newspaper in which the son of the Libyan leader said his government would accept elections in a period of three months or up to the end of 2011.

Saif expressed the conviction that his father would be victorious in any vote because "He is very popular in the country." He even proposed that these hypothetical polls be monitored by international authorities in order to put an end to the armed clashes.

"The European Union, the African Union, the United Nations or even NATO can monitor the voting process," said Saif, who also defended a new constitution and independence for the media.

Speaking to Al Jazeera, after being informed of the interview, the U.S. backed terrorist rebels and U.S. officials said they will not accept the election campaign proposed by Saif.

In other words, it's all a farce, a scam, total utter lies and deception from beginning to end. NATO and their terrorist cronies are just interested in stealing everything from the Libyan people, using Libya as a doorway to Africa to colonize the entire continent once again and establish a base of operations.

They know they can NEVER win a free and democratic election in Libya. Their end game is to supplant the African Union (free movement of people and goods, affordable public services for all Africans) by AFRICOM.

NATO will not accept the elections and the terrorists will not support the elections for one simple reason: they know clearly that Gaddafi would win and this gives legitimacy to his Government and totally removes any iota of right and reason NATO claimed to have for their terrorist imperialist assaults on Libya.

They are nothing but totally corrupt, rotten, dishonest and most of all genocidal murderers. May their ugly, rotten black souls be damned to hell and may they get sent there as soon as possible.

As has been said before in this space, they are truce breakers and cannot be trusted, not under any circumstances whatsoever. They make Hitler and his SS look like Mother Theresa and a choir of singing nuns."