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You are eating up the propaganda of the day like a simple minded lemming. It wasn't two or three years ago the West was calling Gaddafi a changed man, who is embracing peace and open markets. It wasn't two or three years ago Tony Blair was sitting in Gaddafis tent drink mint tea and smoking hookah, and Gaddafi was visiting the capitals of major European countries, visiting guys like Sarkozy the Berlusconi.Quote:
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Oh fuck off with that nonsense Gribbs. Everyone knew it was all about oil contracts when Blair was kissing arse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr GribbsYou are eating up the propaganda of the day like a simple minded lemming. It wasn't two or three years ago the West was calling Gaddafi a changed man, who is embracing peace and open markets. It wasn't two or three years ago Tony Blair was sitting in Gaddafis tent drink mint tea and smoking hookah, and Gaddafi was visiting the capitals of major European countries, visiting guys like Sarkozy the Berlusconi.Quote:
Originally Posted by nostromo
Cameron even took a bunch of fucking arms dealers to Cairo to help them with their "Arab Spring".
Just because we share the same nationality as these scumbag politicians, it doesn't mean we don't think they are c**ts.
One of my former bosses was on Pan Am 107 with his family, and I can assure you I was not happy with the Blair brown nosing (although I'm sure the Tories would have done the same).
To me the word "politician" is a euphemism for scum sucking bottom feeder.
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BANI WALID, Libya, Sept. 12 (UPI) -- Forces loyal to deposed Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi attacked an oil refinery on the Mediterranean coast Monday, leaders of rebel forces said.
The attack in the port of Ras Lanuf was the first significant action by the loyalists since rebels drove them from Tripoli, the capital, four weeks ago, The New York Times reported.
The Transitional National Council, the governing body formed by rebel forces, said the attack was apparently a response to news that the council had taken steps to restart oil production at the refinery.
Intense fighting outside one of Gadhafi's last strongholds was reported as Libya's new leaders moved to unite fighting factions.
The announcement of unity efforts Sunday by the transitional council came amid reports of infighting and arguments among fighters surrounding the city of Bani Walid after they encountered resistance during an assault, CNN reported Monday.
Bani Walid was one of three communities still controlled by Gadhafi loyalists.
Fighting raged in Bani Walid after negotiators failed to reach agreement on the city's surrender to the NTC.
Forces loyal to Gadhafi in the city were heavily armed, NTC spokesman Abdulrahman Busin told CNN.
Gadhafi's whereabouts were unknown.
A convoy of troops left the front in Bani Walid after arguing with another group of fighters from the city, witnesses said.
Negotiations have begun with bands of fighters to bring them under the control of the NTC, the organization's chairman, Mahmoud Jibril, said.
However, a spokesman for a new Tripoli military council said the plan was "unacceptable."
Jibril announced that a transitional governing executive committee will be created within 10 days and will include representation from across Libya, including areas of the country still under siege.
Nigerian Justice Minister Marou Amadou said one of Gadhafi's sons, Saadi, along with eight former Libyan officials, fled escaped from Libya and were in Niger, The New York Times reported.
News about Saadi Gadhafi prompted Libya's new leaders to call for his immediate extradition to Libya to stand trial, The Washington Post reported.
"These people should not be allowed to get away with the crimes they have committed," said Jalal al-Gallal, a spokesman for the rebels. "Neighboring countries should not be allowed to provide safe haven to these criminals."
At least three Libyan convoys have entered Niger recently, carrying generals, Gadhafi family members and low-ranking regime personnel, Niger officials said.
Moamma Gadhafi's wife, two other sons and some others fled recently to Algeria, which said it accepted them on humanitarian grounds.
Gadhafi's foreign intelligence chief, Bouzaid Dorda, was in rebel custody, CNN reported.
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and you think it is any different now? do you really believe all the shit the "NATO" alliance is spouting? come onQuote:
Originally Posted by harrybarracuda
someone mentioned WPC Fletcher, and how Cameron spouted some nonsense about catching the shooter
If diplomatic immunity applied back then, it should still apply for the same crime and reasons
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Originally Posted by harrybarracudaOh fuck off with that nonsense Gribbs. Everyone knew it was all about oil contracts when Blair was kissing arse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr GribbsYou are eating up the propaganda of the day like a simple minded lemming. It wasn't two or three years ago the West was calling Gaddafi a changed man, who is embracing peace and open markets. It wasn't two or three years ago Tony Blair was sitting in Gaddafis tent drink mint tea and smoking hookah, and Gaddafi was visiting the capitals of major European countries, visiting guys like Sarkozy the Berlusconi.Quote:
Originally Posted by nostromo
Cameron even took a bunch of fucking arms dealers to Cairo to help them with their "Arab Spring".
Just because we share the same nationality as these scumbag politicians, it doesn't mean we don't think they are c**ts.
One of my former bosses was on Pan Am 107 with his family, and I can assure you I was not happy with the Blair brown nosing (although I'm sure the Tories would have done the same).
To me the word "politician" is a euphemism for scum sucking bottom feeder.
I've about had enough of your stupid shit. First off who do you think elects the leaders and political parties that rule Britain? I will tell you it isn't the fucking Algerians or Mexicans, its the British. The same British who were flocking to Libya to work, the same ones who were calling Gaddafi a man of peace no less than 18 months ago. There are loads more countries that were more hellish to live in then Gaddafi's Libya, they just don't happen to be supplying Europe with oil, and that is why Gaddafi is back on the shit list again.
[quote=Mr Gribbs;1872968]I've about had enough of your stupid shit. First off who do you think elects the leaders and political parties that rule Britain? I will tell you it isn't the fucking Algerians or Mexicans, its the British.[quote]
Well fuck me, what a revelation. Thanks for your sparkling insight.
Of course, as I said, it makes no difference which of the parties is in charge, since at the end of the day they are all self-serving arseholes. And the current system ensures the continuity of the three party system and the continued supply of professional wankers to fill it.
As for your "believing propaganda" theory, the very politicians that probably would have preferred to maintain the status quo and kept Gadaffi in power have been forced to act in order to keep their noses clean with the GCC, Egypt and Israel, all of whom know Gaddafi is a nutter, and who consider the removal of him and his family to be a good thing.
Why do you think no-one, bar a few of his mickey mouse African junta mates, put up much of a fight against the NATO action?
One thing I will agree with is that NATO definitely swung the balance in this war, but with the military power that Gaddafi was using against his own people, I don't think it was unjust. That does not in any way commend the motivation of the people that ordered it, which I suspect was more in their own interests than the battered rebels.
Oh, and for sure Europe wanted this settled to avoid yet another flood of muslim refugees pouring into their countries with their hands out, demanding Sharia law everywhere.
[quote=harrybarracuda;1872989][quote=Mr Gribbs;1872968]I've about had enough of your stupid shit. First off who do you think elects the leaders and political parties that rule Britain? I will tell you it isn't the fucking Algerians or Mexicans, its the British.They didn't put up much of a fight because they don't want to die, or languish in a prison for a decade. There is nothing kosher about the entire Libya fiasco. A few rebels get the supposedly most powerful military alliance in history to bomb the sitting leader of a country who they say was helping them in their fight against "terrorist," while they support the rebels led by a guy who was considered an Islamist "terrorist!"Quote:
Well fuck me, what a revelation. Thanks for your sparkling insight.
Of course, as I said, it makes no difference which of the parties is in charge, since at the end of the day they are all self-serving arseholes. And the current system ensures the continuity of the three party system and the continued supply of professional wankers to fill it.
As for your "believing propaganda" theory, the very politicians that probably would have preferred to maintain the status quo and kept Gadaffi in power have been forced to act in order to keep their noses clean with the GCC, Egypt and Israel, all of whom know Gaddafi is a nutter, and who consider the removal of him and his family to be a good thing.
Why do you think no-one, bar a few of his mickey mouse African junta mates, put up much of a fight against the NATO action?
One thing I will agree with is that NATO definitely swung the balance in this war, but with the military power that Gaddafi was using against his own people, I don't think it was unjust. That does not in any way commend the motivation of the people that ordered it, which I suspect was more in their own interests than the battered rebels.
Gaddafi actually signed an accord with Italy a few years to stop the flood of illegal immigrants landing on Italian soil, which greatly reduced the number of immigrants getting into Europe.Quote:
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Italy to sign deal with Libya to stop illegal immigration
Published 25 August 2004 - Updated 29 January 2010
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Under a deal between Rome and Tripoli, Italy is set to take part in the patrolling of the Libyan coast to stop the flow of illegal immigration from Africa.
Italy is stepping up its efforts to get to grips with the problem of illegal immigration from North Africa. Attemps by would-be immigrants to reach Italian soil has resulted in hundreds of tragic drowning accidents in recent years.
On a visit to Libya on 25 August the Italian PM Silvio Berlusconi is expected to conclude an agreement with Libya. The deal will lay the basis for shared patrolling of the Libyan coastline from which 'people-trafficking' boats set sail for the Italian islands of Sicily and Lampedusa.
According to Le Monde, Italy will deliver high tech surveillance equipment and speedboats under the deal that has been ready for more than a year. Apart from the need for fine tuning, the main stumbling block has come in the form of counterclaims from Tripoli eager to draw further advantages from Rome in return for what is seen as a loss of Libyan sovereignty.
In what will initially be a training programme, Italian policemen will help their Libyan colleagues to become familiar with the equipment. However, the patrol boats are soon to be manned by mixed nationality teams.
The deal comes shortly after Rocco Buttiglione, the EU's next Italian Justice, Freedom and Security Commissioner, identified immigration as "a time bomb". Calling for more co-operation by EU Member States, he backed proposals to establish EU-supported 'immigration gateways' in transit countries such as Libya and Tunisia.(See EurActiv 24 August 2004 )
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UN resolution would create UN mission in Libya - Taiwan News Online
"The Security Council is considering a new resolution that would establish a U.N. mission in Libya and unfreeze assets of two major oil companies, according to a copy obtained Wednesday by the Associated Press. Britain circulated the draft resolution to the 15-member council Tuesday night and Western diplomats said they are hoping for a vote by the end of the week. Diplomats said the U.S. and France were involved in the drafting and veto-wielding Russia and China were consulted.
The proposed resolution would modify the arms embargo imposed on Moammar Gadhafi's regime to allow the rebel movement now controlling the country to buy arms "intended solely for security or disarmament assistance." It would also allow small arms, light weapons and related materiel into the country to protect U.N., humanitarian and diplomatic personnel.
Under the proposed draft, the no fly zone and flight ban imposed in March, after Gadhafi launched his crackdown on regime opponents, would remain in place but be kept under review.
It would lift the asset freeze on the Libyan National Oil Corporation and Zueitina Oil Company and modify the asset freeze on the Central Bank of Libya, the Libyan Foreign Bank, the Libyan Investment Authority and the Libyan Africa Investment Portfolio. But it would retain the asset freeze and travel ban against Gadhafi and key family members and regime supporters.
The National Transitional Council, established by the rebels who ended Gadhafi's 42-year rule and sent the former dictator into hiding, has asked the United Nations for assistance as it struggles to establish a government.
The proposed resolution calls for the establishment of a United Nations Support Mission in Libya for an initial period of three months to assist the new government in restoring security and the rule of law, promoting national reconciliation and embarking on the process of writing a constitution and preparing for elections.
It would also authorize U.N. assistance in extending the new government's authority throughout the country."
Looks like a UN force to be deployed, no indication of it's make up. One would imagine that they would take their own "protective" arms which would nullify any reason for the easing of the so called arms embargo. The "No Fly Zone" retained, there should be very strict criteria as to the definition of that.
The "frozen" Libyan assets to be unfrozen and disappear into the ether. No word on the £billions of gold allegedly held in Libya. It's either been taken by the Libyan government into the desert or lost by the TNC terrorists.
BENGHAZI: For the past few days, the inhabitants of Benghazi, the cradle of the Libyan revolution, have been called on in the media and in pamphlets to turn up in their tens of thousands to a demonstration on Friday in the city’s main square. It is named the “Million Demonstration.”
.... The objective of the protest is three “Noes” — no to centralization (that is a unitary state controlled from Tripoli), no to ex-Qaddafi figures such as his former Prime Minister Abdussalam Jalloud being given positions in the new government, and no to political and religious opportunists trying to steal the revolution.
Libya reconnects with its pre-Qaddafi past - Arab News
An interesting snippet from the same article of soccer, politics, and life under a personality cult dictator-
"A less drastic fate was accorded the remains of Omar Mukhtar (Libyan Freedom fighter, national hero). Forty year after being interred in the mausoleum, a resentful and jealous Qaddafi had them removed to the village of Soluq, some 60 km from Benghazi. The order reveals a story of paranoia, despotism and petty-minded vengeance worthy of a Nero or a Caligula. It also speaks of Qaddafi’s delusions about his own self-importance. He had Omar Mukhtar re-buried near his own father’s grave.
What triggered the removal of the body and tomb was football. Benghazi had Libya’s oldest team, Al Ahly, founded by members of the Senussi movement linked to Omar Mukhtar. But just as there are other teams in the Arab world of the same name, so too one was established in Tripoli and it had a powerful supporter — Qaddafi’s passionate but mediocre footballer son Saadi. Being his father’s son allowed him both to captain the Tripoli team and to fix matches in its favor.
The dispute over the name brought the Benghazi team into Saadi’s particular disfavor and he set out to make it suffer. At its matches, referees would award penalties to the opposing team; good players were poached by other clubs. By 2000, the Benghazi fans had had enough. Defeated in a decisive relegation match thanks to another highly dubious penalty award by the referee, the fans took to the streets. They dressed up a donkey in Al Ahly Tripoli’s colors, putting Saadi’s number on it.
The Qaddafis’ fury was instant and ruthless. Fans were arrested and imprisoned. Three were condemned to death although the sentences were not carried out. A few weeks later, on Sept. 1, the anniversary of Qaddafi’s seizure of power, the club was closed and bulldozers were sent in to destroy its offices and training grounds. At that point, the fans took to the city’s most famous monument, Omar Mukhtar’s mausoleum, to protest. “We are Omar Mukhtar’s grandsons,” they shouted, referring to the club’s connection with freedom-fighter’s movement. “We are not afraid of Abu Minyar” (the Qaddafi family surname — meaning that they were not afraid of the Qaddafi family.)
Qaddafi’s petulant response was to tear down the mausoleum and remove the body."
Anti-Gaddafi Troops Enter Sirte Under Heavy Fire
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5:03am 16th September 2011.
https://teakdoor.com/images/smilies1/You_Rock_Emoticon.gif Anti-Gaddafi fighters have reportedly entered the former dictator's home town of Sirte about 280 miles east of Tripoli.
A military spokesman for the National Transitional Council (NTC) has said the troops came under heavy fire from fighters loyal to the ousted leader.
"They have now entered the city," said Abdulrahman Busin, spokesman for the NTC.
"There was a coordinated push from the south, east and west and from along the coast. I'm not sure how far they have been able to enter.
"They are coming under heavy fire. There is a particular problem with snipers."
After nearly seven months of fighting, NTC forces backed by Nato air power control most of Libya, including oil-producing centres and the capital Tripoli, which they seized last month.
They have met fierce resistance in a handful of pro-Gaddafi strongholds such as Sirte, the desert town of Bani Walid and southern outpost of Sabha.
Gaddafi, wanted by the International Criminal Court, has also gone into hiding and is rumoured to be hiding in one of the loyalist strongholds.
Britain and France are expected to press for a new United Nations Security Council resolution on Libya today, in the wake of the historic visit to the country by David Cameron and Nicolas Sarkozy.
The motion - expected to be put to a vote later - would give the NTC access to more of the frozen Libyan assets and lift the no-fly zone.
But it could encounter trouble from Russia, which has complained that the UK and France went beyond the previous resolution 1973 in trying to eject former dictator Muammar Gaddafi.
Prime Minister Mr Cameron and President Sarkozy received a hero's welcome on Thursday as they visited the capital Tripoli, then addressed a jubilant crowd in Benghazi.
Less than four weeks after Gaddafi was deposed, the two architects of Nato air strikes against his regime flew in to demonstrate their support for the fledging new government which has replaced him.
At a joint news conference in Tripoli, they pledged continued assistance to the country Mr Cameron called "free Libya", including stepping up efforts to unfreeze assets held overseas.
In Benghazi's Freedom Square the pair were given an ecstatic reception by a crowd waving British and French flags alongside the old Libya flag adopted by the anti-Gaddafi rebels.
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Libyans fight for Bani Walid, street by street - Africa, World - The Independent
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"The pick-up trucks screeched to a halt in a cloud of dust and the fighters, some injured, some already dead, were brought out amid cries of "Allahu akbar". The assault on Bani Walid was proving to be a bloody and vicious business.
The skirmishes, street by street, continued hour after hour as rebels met fierce resistance as they attempted to drive out Muammar Gaddafi's forces from the town centre.
Controlling Bani Walid has become a matter of prestige for the revolutionaries after their claims that they had seized it proved false. The town, along with Sirte and Sabbha, remain defiant strongholds of the former regime and their stand in the face of rebel offensives and Nato air strikes has been used to taunt the new government by Colonel Gaddafi and his son, Saif al-Islam.
Yesterday, the loyalists at Bani Walid showed no signs of giving up the increasingly unequal struggle. Grad rockets and mortar rounds landed near us as we tried to advance with rebel fighters into the market place.
Yusuf Ali Badri had just scrambled out of the gun-mounted flat-bed truck when he was shot in the shoulder. Minutes later another member of the Tripoli Brigade was hit in the thigh.
There was panic and a brief retreat, followed by accusations of betrayal. "The firing came from behind us," shouted one man. "It is the Bani Walid brigade, you cannot trust them, they are with Gaddafi." Exiled fighters from the town fighting alongside the revolutionaries have been charged with putting loyalty to their tribe, the Warfallah, before the cause.
Ahmed Ivadullah, 23, a student and volunteer, said: "We have got fifth columnists who have infiltrated us and they are the ones stopping us from taking over this place."
Gaddafi's spokesman said loyalists had inflicted heavy losses on rebel fighters. "The battle is far from over," Moussa Ibrahim said in comments broadcast on Syria-based Arrai television station. "We have prepared ourselves for a long war. We have the equipment and the weapons."
The atmosphere of fear and suspicion began to affect refugees attempting to escape the fighting. A rebel shot out the tyres of a car which approached a checkpoint too fast. Three young men were dragged out and made to kneel on the ground.
Soon afterwards a salvo of rockets led to the rebels falling back three miles. The arrested men, their hands tied, were left in the tent where they were being interrogated. More than two hours later they were found, terrified, by journalists.
One of them, Amr Jawad Ibrahim, whispered: "They put a gun to my head and said they will kill me. My father and mother they are both old, are stuck in our home, and I just came out to try and get help. I don't know what I am supposed to do now, if I go back to my home I might get arrested by the Gaddafi men because they still control the area."
Last night, rebel commanders were planning a mission to take the town centre. A new officer had arrived from the capital and promised to "resolve the situation" within 24 hours.
However, he added: "Our political leaders keep on making promises. They made promises to Sarkozy and Cameron yesterday, and we have to fight and die to achieve them."
Former rebels get UN seat
The United Nations gave strong backing to Libya's former rebels yesterday, handing their National Transitional Council the country's UN seat and then lifting and modifying some sanctions imposed on the regime of former leader Muammar Gaddafi.
The Security Council unanimously approved a resolution establishing a new UN mission in Libya. The resolution also unfreezes assets of two Libyan oil companies, lifts a ban on flights by Libyan aircraft and modifies an arms embargo to allow Libyan officials now controlling the country to buy arms "intended solely for security or disarmament assistance.""
The "libyans" fight, you have got to be joking.
If the crusader coalition airforce, SAS, CIA, the Qatari mercenaries and whatever the french secret service is called, weren't there or supplying them with arms they would still be in Bengahzi.
The report states that missiles and shells are being fired at the TNC terrorist forces who are outside the city. Why is there no mention of the bombs and missiles being fired by the crusader coalition air force and the artillery rounds being fired by the TNC terrrorist into the city (civilian populated areas). This is a crime against the UNSC resolutions and humanity.
The updated No Fly zones states again that it is to be used:
" to protect civilians and civilian populated areas under threat of attack in the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya, including Benghazi, while excluding a foreign occupation force of any form on any part of Libyan territory,"
That means ALL Libyans not just the TNC terrorist controlled areas. When will the UN member forces start attacking the TNC terrorist forces.
It refers again to clauses 6 to 12 of UNSCR 1973 which states that the only use of aircraft is for the following reasons:
"whose sole purpose is humanitarian, such as delivering or facilitating the delivery of assistance, including medical supplies, food, humanitarian workers and related assistance,"
This does not include any dropping of bombs or firing missiles!!!!! Whoever is authorising these attacks needs to look out.
TNC-NATO siege of Sirte is a war crime.
"NATO and the Transitional National Council in Libya (or Paris or Qatar or wherever it is) have reportedly given the people of Sirte ten days to surrender or face a full military onslaught. This is not a cease-fire. While they await their fate, they will still be subject to artillery fire and NATO bombing, and food, water and electricity have already been cut off.
This closely resembles the tactics adopted toward resistance-held towns in Iraq by U.S. occupation forces. On October 14th 2004, the Washington Post reported that water and electricity supplies to Falluja had been cut off, one day before the start of Ramadan. Its population was then starved and bombarded for 3 weeks before the final assault by U.S. Marines that killed 4,000 to 6,000 civilians."
^ well the good news is that America and EU can no longer pretend to be something else but ruthless invaders, like 95% of the world they keep trying to change
looks like we haven't evolved much since our colonial days, and we are back to the Napoleon regime
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According to Fox News, a Libyan rebel "spokesman" recently boasted, "in the end, we will get [the city of] Sirte, even if we have to cut water and electricity and let NATO pound it with airstrikes." Sirte is one of many cities still standing in defiance of NATO's operations to seize the nation of 6 million people, impose upon them an "internationally approved" government, and begin pilfering their resources under the guise of "economic liberalization." Rebels have intentionally surrounded Sirte to cut off electricity as well as the flow of supplies including food and cooking gas in a bid to literally "starve the city into submission," as reported by the London Telegraph. This latest boast by rebels, now operating openly with notorious Al Qaeda members leading their fighters, and still with full military support from NATO, seems to suggests that water will be cut as well.
According to the International Committee of the Red Cross, the denial of humanitarian assistance is a crime under international law. The Red Cross adds that "a massacre is not necessarily committed only with knives." While many will attempt to portray the premeditated creation of a humanitarian disaster as "more humane" than taking the city of Sirte by force - rebels have in fact already tried to take the city by force and were soundly repelled. NATO airstrikes have apparently proved ineffective and other cities are now bolstering their defenses and rejecting calls by the NATO-backed Al Qaeda fighters to surrender. As the deadline for NATO's military intervention grows increasingly nearer, their efforts to seize the nation have become increasingly more desperate and in proportion more depraved.
As has been pointed out and now clearly evident in Tripoli, the Benghazi rebels backed by NATO are not motivated by inclinations of "democracy" but rather tribal, ethnic, and viciously racial prejudices. Reuters has recently tried to whitewash what is essentially wholesale genocide being waged against Tripoli's black population by the Benghazi rebels led by Al Qaeda's notorious al-Hasidi. The targeting of Tripoli's black population has been entirely written off by the corporate media as rebels pursuing "suspected mercenaries." Why then would Sirte, Bani Waled, or any other city still standing soundly in defiance of these rebels and NATO, surrender and subject themselves to ensured genocide?
We are faced with a textbook case of a very real crime against humanity, yet the International Criminal Court is utterly silent, as are the voices in the UN that were vigorously clamoring to authorize war against Libya back in March of 2011. Silent also are the fraudulent George Soros Open Society-funded Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International (page 10) organizations. The ICC and the supporting myriad of contrived rights advocates once again demonstrates they are illegitimate institutions contrived solely to serve Wall Street and London's interests in a clearly one-sided manner. It is no wonder why the African Union has wholly rejected the International Criminal Court's decisions made against Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi or why nations across the world exhibit increasing hostility toward "independent" NGOs like Human Rights Watch, Freedom House, and Amnesty International. Nations should not be expected to permit such organizations to operate within their borders when in reality their goal is not defending human rights but finding a predicate for foreign military intervention on behalf of the corporate-financier interests that fund them.
Who Watches the "Watchers?"
So who does the world turn to when the "international community" begins recklessly mass-murdering entire populations, shutting off entire cities from food and water to "starve them into submission," and "pound" civilian populations with airstrikes? The answer is, we turn to ourselves - the individual - who on a daily basis have facilitated in the first place the corporations and banks of Wall Street and London who are the perpetrators of these horrendous crimes. We have created these world-spanning financial and corporate empires, given them the power to act against entire nation-states with absolute impunity, so it must be we the people who rein back in this terrible power.
Just as we gave them this power by dedicating our time, money, talents, and attention to them, we can take it back by denying them likewise our time, money, talents, and attention. Turn to local alternatives, do without when we can, and entirely replace these corporations with local solutions systematically. If these elitists impose regulations to prevent such activity, take a cue from the brave people of America's Northeast who have passed local ordinances to cancel out US federal dictates. Ultimately, we must remember that these people are not the progressive, enlightened, caretakers of humanity they attempt to portray themselves as.
The global elite are essentially violent thugs, dressing up their tyranny with the trappings of religion, civilization, political legitimacy,and faux progress. We must be prepared defend ourselves, our communities, and our nation-states intellectually, politically, socially, financially, and physically. Our denial of this terrible and ever-growing tyranny will not spare us when its attention finally shifts toward our homes, families, businesses, and communities. Just as the Soviets or the Nazis worked their way from foreigners, then the fringes of society, before it began cannibalizing its own people, so too will this global Wall Street-London tyranny. It was the Iraqis yesterday, it is the Libyans today, it may be the Syrians tomorrow, but inevitably it will be all of us. Better to stand up now than allow the tragic wheel of history to make yet another predictable revolution.
For a list of many of the corporations responsible for these increasingly egregious crimes against humanity, please see, "Naming Names." Activist Post: Libya: NATO Enabling War Crimes
ZAGREB -- Libyan rebels executed without trial "several dozen people", among them citizens of Serbia and Croatia, writes a Croatian daily
Zagreb-based Večernji List says that 12 Serbians, 9 Croatians, 11 Ukrainians and 10 Colombians were among those captured, and then shot and killed by the rebels, while other victims "were not identified".
The newspaper is quoting the rebels in Misrata who claim that "a group of foreign mercenaries" was inside "the security building" in the town's center - and that those who did not die in the fighting were "convicted on the spot".
"A bullet to the head and goodbye forever," a local rebel commander was quoted as saying, and then adding: "Those are murderers, not soldiers, they are people who are heartlessly killing for money."
In Belgrade, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs said they had no information about Serbian citizens being executed.
"We saw this in the newspapers and we are checking it. As for the five Serbian citizens detained in Zintan, we are in contact with them and they are doing well, while we're doing all we can to set them free," an official of the ministry was quoted as saying.
Meanwhile, Sarajevo-based newspaper Dnevni Avaz quoted military analyst Ljubodrag Stojadinović as saying that "Serb mercenaries were everywhere where there was a war".
Amnesty International for its part said that "both sides" in the Libya war committed war crimes, and warned that "violence would escalate unless order was established"
B92 - News - "Serbs, Croats executed by rebels in Libya"
Warning some of you with a right wing persuasion will find the following report difficult to absorb. You have been warned.
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The democracy bomb - English pravda.ru
"Among the stupidest platitudes that one all too often hears from U.S. and western hypocrites, the worst is how they portray their own countries as beacons or paragons of freedom and democracy when a quick look, and especially an extended one, will demonstrate otherwise.
When something is built on dishonesty, all else begins to unravel. NATO exposes their evil intentions by their extensive use of lies and trickery. Once again, however, they have overestimated themselves and underestimated the Libyan people. The lies and trickery do not work.
Force and coercion are not considered examples of either freedom or democracy. The term "democracy" has been distorted now to mean only one thing: a democracy does what it is told to do, usually by Washington.
Should the country refuse, then it becomes a "dictatorship" even though the leader may have been elected, such as in the case of Venezuela, or should they have the purest form, such as the Jamahiriya. Next thing you know, the democracy bombs are falling...
This pseudo freedom and democracy they are trying to force down the throats of the Libyan people. What does western style freedom and democracy mean to the Libyan people?
It means thousands of Libyans lying dead in their homes, schools, hospitals, streets...
It means because you have the audacity to support your government and not do what you are told by the almighty Empire, that you will be gunned down by a helicopter.
Or mutilated, executed, beheaded, maimed, burned.
Or pounded with depleted uranium, or white phosphorous.
Or even poison gas...as a truckload of that was captured before it could be used. Anything to meet the objective of regime change.
What does "regime change" mean in Libya?
Simply stated, it means taking the country away from the people of Libya, because they are the ones who run the place in reality in their People's Congresses.
It's not a war against Colonel Gaddafi only, but he has been made a symbol by the evil ones of NATO and the west, a symbol of defiance against them.
The terrorist murderous filthy crud of the NTC has already on numerous occasions declined peace talks, a ceasefire or elections. Their only solution is "Gaddafi must go." It is their intention, given the chance, to murder the Brother Leader, them and their ugly, smelly Nazi NATO masters.
Some people may be fooled by this freedom and democracy nonsense. No one who sees the democracy bomb in action doubts that it's all about theft of Libyan resources: gold, oil, water, the reestablishment of colonial rule in Africa and using Libya for imperialist military bases.
The behavior of NATO during the assault and aggression on Libya has been shocking to say the least. We knew they were cold-blooded evil killers, sick perverts and torturers. We saw them in action in Yugoslavia, Iraq and Afghanistan, but they have taken things to a level unprecedented, highly reminiscent of the Nazis, the SS and Hitler. In fact, they are beginning to make Nazis look like humanitarians compared to NATO.
Congratulations Ban Ki-Loon and the UN genocide loving, look the other way, see and hear no evil but speak every evil inSecurity Council. Both have betrayed everything the UN is purported to stand for.
Listening to Moon (or NATO garbage) speak is dangerous to the digestive system, one might lose one's last meal.
As for the Libyan Army...I cannot help but be reminded of Stalingrad and Kursk and the Great Patriotic War...the manner in which these heroic defenders conduct the war, their courage, strength, humanity, pure determination and ability to carry out their mission, these Libyan heroes seem to be more of what you would expect from the descendents / children / grandchildren of Stalingrad and Kursk defenders.
One cannot but have total admiration for them and stand in awe at their courageous determination and self sacrifice. Theirs is not an easy task. But they have inspired great hope in the hearts and minds of the defenseless and the oppressed everywhere.
Africa, previously known as the "Dark Continent," has become of beacon of light because of this heroic struggle against imperialism.
Therefore, taking all things into consideration, I expect and firmly believe we will see a similar outcome: the total defeat of fascism.
The sickening display by Sarkozy, Cameron and NTC during their recent visit to Libya exposed the reality on the ground. They are afraid to go anywhere in the country and rightly so. Their pathetic weakness was obvious and exactly the opposite of the perception they were hoping to create for their dutiful, obedient media.
That murderous, genocidal criminal terrorist gang of thugs known as the NTC...Why are the terrorists attempting to sell 29 tons of Libyan gold, when in the very worst of times, Muammar Gaddafi didn't find it necessary to lay a hand on the assets of the Libyan people?
Besides being ugly, murderous racists of shocking savagery and barbarity, the NTC is a bottomless pit.
I guess they are necessary for the NATO Nazis to transform Libya from a completely self sufficient, debt-free, prosperous country into a third world beggar debtor country. Libya must be thrusted backwards, back centuries where the western NATO Nazis wish to push the people of Libya.
NATO uses force, coercion and violence, in total disregard to the will of the people of Libya. They use lies and trickery. They rain death and destruction on an innocent country. They violate the very resolutions that were used to commence their genocidal conquest. They violate international law. They have faciliated and enabled the practice of ethnic cleansing.
The Libyan Jamahiriya, under the leadership of Muammar Gaddafi, has struggled harder than any western leader or country to champion the rights of the poor and abolish racism against black people.
The "no-fly" zone in reality is the "no-live" zone, life is not permitted for anyone not bowing down to the almighty Empire, including and especially the civilians they lied about protecting.
In their greed and desperation, they have forced this fight on Libya. In their inability to manage their own countries and economies, they seek the spoils of war, nowhere men making nowhere plans for nobody.
On the 19th of this month, the question of Libya is going to come up before the United Nations. There is no room for neutrality, for abstentions or for not taking a firm and principled stand. The fences are being shaken. Nations will fall on one side or the other.
The behavior of the UN and the countries therein are going to show us all, they are going to be sifted into wheat and chaff, the honest from the corrupt, the courageous from the cowards.
We shall see exactly what they are made of. They shall place themselves on either side of the fence, either good or evil. Once they are on either side of the fence, there is no turning back, no jumping to the other side and above all, no sitting on the fence. It is decision time.
History will deal harshly with those who took the side of demons, murderers, terrorists, savages, Hitlers...so they shall fall in similar fashion into perdition and eternal damnation."
it's really another world when the Pravda is speaking the truth and exposing what the west is all about