Thread: 2012 Republican Presidential Contenders

I still reckon 'the other Mormon', Huntsman, is the best of a very mediocre bunch.

If I had to pick who will be the Republican nomonee it would look like this:

1. Romney
2. Palin (Yes Palin will enter the race).
3. Perry

I do not think Obama can beat Romeny, but he would be able to beat both Palin and Perry. Again, this is just my honest opinion and there are no "poles" to support this.

I am not saying Palin is the sharpest tack in the shed but I think she will throw her hat in the ring. If she does and wins, Obama will get a pass.

Herman Cain?...

Originally Posted by rickschoppers

If she does and wins

No chance. Sarah's in it for the money, anyway. She's a natural in the lowbrow media.

Now they are aching for Chris Christie to run- having given up so soon on Hansum Man Rick Perry, because he is clearly semi-retarded, they want the smart fat sweaty jerk that nobody can stand to run:
The Chris Christie Dream Won't Die - Politics - The Atlantic Wire
The Weekly Standard's Bill Kristol, too, was inspired by the Orlando debate to think again about Christie. Kristole says he got an email from a "bright young conservative" saying, "I'm watching my first GOP debate...and WE SOUND LIKE CRAZY PEOPLE!!!!" Kristol says he's left asking "with a month left before filing deadlines: Is that all there is?"
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"WE SOUND LIKE CRAZY PEOPLE!!!!"- No shit, you've only just noticed? ROFLMAO, what a bunch of fucking clowns "conservatives" are.

Perry's bid is just being trumped up to sell papers, if you ask me.
But really, this whole circus just reinforces something that has become quite apparent to me.
Whether you are a Teabag republican, or a liberal Idealist, you are just being duped placing any store of faith in a 'President'.
The whole Presidential circus just exists to give people the naive illusion that they have some say in the workings of the State.
Strangely, most people inevitably fall for it and ignore the facts before their eyes.
That is the true role of the Corporate owned mass media sector.

^
What he said.

Originally Posted by sabang

Perry's bid is just being trumped up to sell papers, if you ask me.
But really, this whole circus just reinforces something that has become quite apparent to me.
Whether you are a Teabag republican, or a liberal Idealist, you are just being duped placing any store of faith in a 'President'.
The whole Presidential circus just exists to give people the naive illusion that they have some say in the workings of the State.
Strangely, most people inevitably fall for it and ignore the facts before their eyes.
That is the true role of the Corporate owned mass media sector.

The new Suskind book seems to be trying to say that Obama wanted to be more like Franklin, but was stymied. Sounds like a load of crap to me. Support for Obama for a lot of us is just because he is the only alternative to Teh Crazee, which personally makes me very angry. Nonetheless, Nader and Cornel West are fools- it's as if Nader isn't satisfied with inflicting Bush on the world. There may not be much of a difference, but there is a difference. You don't have to be a starry-eyed idealist to see that there would be a world of difference between a second Obama term and a Perry, or even a Romney, presidency, even in an inverted totalitarian state.

Originally Posted by robuzo

You don't have to be a starry-eyed idealist to see that there would be a world of difference between a second Obama term and a Perry, or even a Romney, presidency, even in an inverted totalitarian state.

So true!



It seems the next Republican debate/circus act will be October 11, 2011 at Dartmouth College,….

Dartmouth College to Host Republican Presidential Debate

Dartmouth College will be an important stop this fall for the Republican presidential candidates when it co-hosts a debate on October 11 with the U.S. economy as the focus. The event will be broadcast nationally and around the globe by Bloomberg Television and streamed online by Washingtonpostlive.com. WBIN in Derry, N.H., will broadcast the debate throughout New Hampshire and Massachusetts.

More from Dartmouth’s website: http://now.dartmouth.edu/2011/04/dartmouth-college-to-host-republican-presidential-debate/

I’ll add more about the debate as the date gets closer.

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by robuzo

The new Suskind book seems to be trying to say that Obama wanted to be more like Franklin, but was stymied. Sounds like a load of crap to me.

Perhaps- but if so, he's either a sellout, or they've got something over him.

Sorry if I appear petulant, sabang, but is it really necessary to quote me out of context (context, in the form of an additional 11 words, inserted above) before you launch into your diatribe, with which I pretty much agree? Obama was pegged as a sellout as soon as he picked his team of financial oligarchy insiders (Summers, Geitner & Co.) and marginalized people like Stiglitz and Krugman, and I'm not saying otherwise. For fuck's sakes, he could have brought in Paul Volcker- would the Thugs worshiping at the altar of Saint Ronnie have been able to argue with that? But no. Had to keep Goldman and Citi onboard, that's where the money is. Obama is nothing more than a pussy-whipped, slightly smarter Slick Willie Clinton. He ain't FDR with a tan, but if he wants to win again, he might consider at least pretending to be.

As to choosing the lesser of two weevils, this isn't Chuck Hagel, Colin Powell, or the ghost of Bob Dole he's running against- it's the Jesuspalooza loony bin (Perry) or Romney, corporate shill and bankster apologist extraordinaire (Bill Maher- "if Romney were any slimier, he could be killed with a box of salt.”)

The following is for you and S Landreth, probably the funniest thing I've read about about the Huntsman "campaign":
Florida Straw Poll - Charles P Pierce at Florida Straw Poll 2011 - Esquire
ORLANDO — Jon Huntsman, poor dear, truly is a lost soul. He came here this weekend, for the Florida presidential debate and the ensuing straw poll, running what appeared to be a complicated simulacrum of a national presidential campaign. This placed him in a subcategory of Republican contenders along with Mitt Romney, Rick Perry, and, oddly enough, Rick Santorum, who is running a show not unlike Huntsman's, although Huntsman appears to be trying to get elected leader of the United States of America while Santorum seems to be angling for the job of patriarch of Antioch. Most everybody else — the rising Herman Cain, the faltering Michele Bachmann, and Ron Paul, who's always been really good at it — seems to be content with fashioning a cult of personality. And then there's Newt Gingrich, who is actually on an extended book tour.

So, anyway, here's Huntsman — smart, educated, speaks fluent Mandarin — and he's sidling up to the proposition that he's the rational one in the house like a drunk edging toward his first AA meeting, talking to a crowd that, just minutes before, had given several wild ovations to a candidate for the U.S. Senate named Colonel Mike McAlister, who promised that he will fight the "threats facing America today." These apparently include the slow introduction into our judicial system of the principles of Sharia law, the ongoing threat of Communism to the structure of our families, and the implementation of... Agenda 21! At this point, I think Colonel Mike was auditioning to do movie trailers for Jerry Bruckheimer.

(Go read the rest, it's hilarious. Charlie Pierce is finally blogging again!) Read more: Florida Straw Poll - Charles P Pierce at Florida Straw Poll 2011 - Esquire

Originally Posted by robuzo

(Go read the rest, it's hilarious. Charlie Pierce is finally blogging again!) Read more: Florida Straw Poll - Charles P Pierce at Florida Straw Poll 2011 - Esquire

Good article, thanks.

To borrow a line from that noted Republican, Bobby Knight, this party couldn't lead a whore to bed.

Originally Posted by S Landreth

yeah we believe those teabaggers (and supporters of the teabaggers) will get behind and support a man like Cain.

Get a brain.

The Tea Party and others interested in saving the US from a socialist commie bastard like the Obamamessiah will support the local dogcatcher to avoid another 4 years of economic destruction.

btw, Cain calls a spade a spade:

Herman Cain on Obama’s Economic Plan: “It’s a Lie… Bullsh*t”



Herman Cain Blasts Obama–
Conservative presidential candidate called Barack Obama’s latest stimulus plan – bullsh*t and told reporters Obama’s latest “math” was a lie.
He must be racist.
The Ticket reported:

After a few caffeine-heavy refills at our corner table, I asked him about President Obama’s new effort to raise taxes on the wealthy, and Cain just about blew a blood vessel–especially when I mentioned the part where Obama says it’s about “math” not “class warfare.”
“Can I be blunt? That’s a lie,” Cain said, before the sound of his voice began to rise noticeably higher. “You’re not supposed to call the president a liar. Well if you’re not supposed to call the president a liar, he shouldn’t tell a lie. If it’s not class warfare, it’s highway robbery. He wants us to believe it’s not class warfare, oh okay, it’s not class warfare. Pick my pockets, because that’s what he’s doing!”
Cain paused, took a breath and looked at me.
“I’m not mad at you, I just get passionate about this stuff,” he said. “I have to tell people because I get so worked up . . . . I’m listening to all this bullshit that he’s talking about, ‘fairness’ and ‘balanced approach’ to get this economy going.”
As anyone who watched the past couple of debates knows by now, Cain has his own plan that he says would steer the country out of its economic downturn. He calls it the “9-9-9 Plan,” and it would replace the current tax code with three flat, nine-percent federal taxes on income, consumption and business.

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

saving the US from a socialist commie bastard like the Obamamessiah

With enlightened political commentary like this, is it any wonder American politics is in the state it is?

Presidential elections are held every four years, but it seems to me to be a non-stop media circus in the US. Meanwhile the already rich are merrily eating your childrens lunch, and the country deteriorates before our eyes. It's so much easier to blame that on a 'Socialist' Democrat or 'Right wing arsehole' Republican Presidential stooge than it is to look at the facts.

Unless you manage to get a truly inspirational leader as Potus, who can circumvent Congress and the Beltway scum and appeal straight to the people, he will just be another lame duck to deflect flack from the great Unwashed, while Congress genuflects to the usual moneyed interests. There is none on the horizon, not even close.

The only real representative democracies left are the Scandinavian nations, Switzerland, and perhaps Germany.

Originally Posted by sabang

Originally Posted by Boon Mee

saving the US from a socialist commie bastard like the Obamamessiah

With enlightened political commentary like this, is it any wonder American politics is in the state it is?

Would it be more palatable to your sensibilities if Obama were to be referred to as a misguided Red-Diaper Baby who was raised on Marxist 'theology' and subsequently attended a 'church' in Chicago that espoused radical, progressive hate?

Yep...Obama certainly has fundamentally changed America as he stated he'd do. Pussyfooting around with some PC statements re the state of the economy or society isn't going to accomplish a damn thing...

Originally Posted by S Landreth

Originally Posted by robuzo

(Go read the rest, it's hilarious. Charlie Pierce is finally blogging again!) Read more: Florida Straw Poll - Charles P Pierce at Florida Straw Poll 2011 - Esquire

Good article, thanks.

To borrow a line from that noted Republican, Bobby Knight, this party couldn't lead a whore to bed.

This- "A Republican may well get elected president next year. But, whoever that is, first has to answer, constantly, to the voices in the party's head."

"voice in the party's head" = Boon Mee

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Anything but another 4 years of this POS we got now.

...that's the voices in a lot of people's heads...

It would be nice if you could present an alternative that were vaguely acceptable.
Personally, I don't give a shiite about that spineless toadie you call Obuma.
Yet the alternatives are uglier. And Potus really doesn't matter anyway, unless he controls Congress.

Originally Posted by sabang

I still reckon 'the other Mormon', Huntsman, is the best of a very mediocre bunch.

Maybe you're on to something there sabang: Huntsman Picks Up The Coveted Michael Moore Endorsement.

Weasel Zippers

^ if you are gonna pull this thing off, you need decent support from the centre booner. You won't get that from a Teabagger.

Originally Posted by sabang

^ if you are gonna pull this thing off, you need decent support from the centre booner. You won't get that from a Teabagger.

I was being facetious in the extreme, sabang.

The Michael Moore Endorsement - and coveted too!