What makes terrorists?

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Originally Posted by Macha

real terror was done against him and his people first. He's merely striking back in revenge.

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And so the cycle of violence begins.

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Originally Posted by Macha

you have never been in such situation so it's almost impossible to say what your reaction would be

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Have you?

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Originally Posted by mad_dog

the vast majority of Israelis support the systematic degredation of the Palestinain people.

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Link or data, please.

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

what would you be ? collaborator or terrorist freedom fighter ?

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Why is a freedom fighter necessarily a terrorist?

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

a slow and quiet death with no success ?

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There have been many conflicts and successful revolutions in which civilians were not targeted by freedom fighters.

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Originally Posted by Sir Burr

The fact is, is that terrorism works.

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In Sri Lanka? In Southern Thailand? In East Timor? In Basque country? In Nepal?

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

let's twist this a bit more ...let's say blowing up a building to save your friends and family ? would you do it ?

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In all fairness, would you? It's easy to ask difficult questions, particularly ones you yourself are unwilling to answer.

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

if I was desperate enough and angry enough, sure I would.

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Finally, a clear justification of terrorism.

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

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Originally Posted by KID

so fuk it then--it would be perfectly O.K. to drop a nuke on Iraq then ????

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^ as a desperate measure ? yes

and it would qualify as state-sponsored terrorism

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Another justification.

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

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Originally Posted by Sir Burr

i think you guys are missing the point. To the terrorist it is not a case of right and wrong. To the terrorist the end justifies the means

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Exactly, the cause is what matters.

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I thought it was "desperation" that mattered.

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

Would that be a desperate measure ? you bet. Would that qualify as terrorism ? absolutely.

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Yup, "desperation" legitimates terrorism, it seems.

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Originally Posted by Sir Burr

This is not terrorism, this is Total War, as practised in the Second World War. Fortunately, or, unfortunately, technology has come so far that total war is now unthinkable.

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You guys disagree.

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

Worse, some liberals in the US would be so pissed about the situation that they would start carrying suicide bombing themselves. See ?

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No. Don't see.

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

THOU SHALL NOT KILL

ever heard of that one ?

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Don't be so bloody self-righteous. What are you, 17?

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Originally Posted by stroller

If you just concentrate from the outside on media coverage of the IRA terrorism, would you conclude that the Irish cannot live in peace with other people?

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Who concludes that?

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

I think you pretty much qualify as a terrorist sympathizer.

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You obviously sympathize with terrorists in "desperate" circumstances.

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Originally Posted by stroller

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I bet if it was Iran invading the USA, you will without doubt kill their women and children to protect your country.

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...and you'll see yank kill yank, as the religious rightwingers would attempt to usurp power, establish a god-state and blow up all the liberal traitors.

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God-state? "Blow them up?" Did you read this in a comic book? Let's not indulge our paranoid fantasies too much.

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

they will become what they hate the most: terrorists

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I thought there wasn't a difference. None that you've defined, in any case.

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Originally Posted by Sir Burr

The suicide bombings in Israel, Iraq and Afghanistan against the West have nothing to do with religion.

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They certainly do now.

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Originally Posted by Sir Burr

Palestinians and Israelis = Land dispute.

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And Hamas/Hezbollah, are led by, um, clerics, isn't that right?

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Originally Posted by Sir Burr

Iraq and Afghanistan = Invasion by outsiders.

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In Iraq, agreed.

In Afganistan... er, the invasion was against the Taliban (religious zealots, remember?) for sheltering ... another religious zealot (you know who).

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Originally Posted by stroller

Exactly!
When was the last time you heard of a Muslim terrorist asking a Westerner to convert to Islam before killing them?

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Hardly polite! Doesn't give me much faith in Islam, either.

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

you proceed to support state-terrorism while condemning Islam terrorism.

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Again, according to you, they are two sides of the same coin.

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

The US has sponsored hundreds of 911 in other countries in the last 50 years

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Hundreds? Link please.

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Originally Posted by Sir Burr

Democracy seems to fail more in Bhuddist countries more than Muslim countries

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But not Christian countries. Care to explain why?

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

Your constant circle arguments

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I think he is playing circle games. Probably to make a point. Which one ? I don't know.

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Speak for yourself.

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Originally Posted by mad_dog

I just think that the US demands that the Palestinians unilaterally renounce violence is just ridiculous.

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Agreed. And you've made this point several times!

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

you would have been a Nazi admirer if Hitler had won.

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That's a dispicable, disgraceful comment.

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

Maybe you could comprehend the real cause of terrorists. I do

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That much is evident.

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

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Originally Posted by ceburat

What I believe about religion or do not believe is of no concern to you

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I will take this as a yes, which definitely puts in the nuthouse with kerux.

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His religion is none of your business. Your distrust of the US and Israel makes you more like Kerux, actually (what does he call it: "USrael?"). You're peas in a pod on that one.

First this is said:

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Originally Posted by stroller

I respect your passion, Mhz, but please don't post this sort of pics again. Not everyone wants to look at them, and people complain about it.
...That applies to others, too.

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Then this:

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Originally Posted by stroller

Have you seen the pics of Palestine victims of war/violence? Any comment on the fate of those children?

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Only decent post, IMHO, and on the second page (surprise, surprise)

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Originally Posted by Mhz

Yes they have to settle their own differences first and then fight the enemies united. The thing that makes them weak is their own religious shit that they cant take care of. Shia says Sunnis are wrong, Sunnis say Shias are wrong and on top of that the fokwit Wahabis say all are wrong. How can they prosper and make a diiference if they cant sort out their own differences?

These differences give the fokwits and uneducated mullahs a good deal of a chance to stirr shit up and use them as pawns to get their own interests in the name of religion.

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Originally Posted by Mr Earl

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Originally Posted by mad_dog

So Americans cheering when their enemies are blown up is ok but it is animal like if Muslims do it?

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Perhaps even you can distinguish a difference between the death of Adolf Hitler and the people who died on 9/11/01?

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It is, perhaps, not death itself, but the success or perceived victorious achievement which is cheered at?
I find it rather pathetic to cheer at anyone being killed - relief in some cases, yes, but joy - talking about barbarians...

This thread and the posters on it is a microcosm of the attitudes of the Palestinian - Israli conflict.
Each side throwing up examples of atrocities. Each side unwilling to concede that a point put by the "other side" might be valid.
The reason this is such an intractable dispute is that BOTH sides have legitimate grievances. Atrocities have been commited by BOTH sides.

The palestinians have been badly let down by their leaders. In the early seventies the Israelis were willing to retreat to the pre-1967 borders. Yassa Arafat refused, yet this condition is now being sought by the Palestinians. A lost opportunity.

On the Israeli side, they are dishing out disproportionate punishment and collective punishment (Lebanon and demolishment of houses).
It used to be that the Israelis were the constructive ones when seeking peace and the Palestinians the intransigent ones. Now the Israelis are intransigent too. Any Israeli government, to stay in power must take into account the far right religious extremist parties.
Practical solutions to peace are being subordinated to politics on both sides.
The Americans are not seen as an unbiased mediator and the EU continues to sit on it's hands.
If all parties were commited to peace and willing to make compromises, ignore political pressures from self-interested minorities, then peace would happen. It's the average Joe public on both sides that I feel sorry for.

Hootad Binky.
Please do not take snippets of my posts and quote them out of context. That is deliberately misleading.

^ good post Sir, and this summarize it exactly.

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Originally Posted by mad_dog

So Americans cheering when their enemies are blown up is ok but it is animal like if Muslims do it?

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There's absolutely no difference between some redneck American cheering the death of 'them towelheads' or a low-life cheering the death of those in 9-11.

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Originally Posted by Sir Burr

Hootad Binky. Please do not take snippets of my posts and quote them out of context. That is deliberately misleading.

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How did I do that? Please be more specific.

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Originally Posted by KID

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

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Maybe 'they' just don't want your American-style so-called democracy thrust upon them?

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Maybe they are just tired of trigger happy Americans killing innocent civilians because they don't know how to control their anger and fear

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that's B.S, the iraqis are killing each other off over who will gain control !!!

like I said-- it's the HE WHO HAS THE BIGGEST SWORD mentality !!!

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The US has the biggest sword, and wields it time and time again when people do not succumb peacefully to their demands for hegemony and economic exploitation. Why do you hold Arab tribe chieftains to higher moral standards than that of the world's number one super power?

BH,
My comment you quoted about Total War. You did not mention that it was refering to nuclear weapons.

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Originally Posted by Butterfly

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And when paedophile American troops rape and murder a child and then kill her entire family it is Al Qaeda's fault. Your logic is flawless.

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No, it's collateral damage. The troops need their fun too.

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Yuk yuk I hope you like my post.

How do you prevent people from becoming terrorists? Provide more opportunities for them to work so they have the self-respect which is generated from knowing they provide for their family. People with full stomachs don't rebel. I thought the Iraqi reconstruction program would do this but I guess there isn't enough jobs for the hunreds of thousands of unemployeed Iraqi soldiers - a major mistake. The US should have kept the Iraqi army intact and stationed on bases, at least the US Army would know where they were at. Someday neo-cons, Pearle and Wolfowitz, willl get their public dressing down.

Anyways, people with full stomachs and who have a sense of self-worth are less likely to seek change. So that's one of the ways to keep some people from becoming terrorists. How to keep the impressionable youth from being bamboozled by those who would use them, I don't know some kids are foolish and some are self-destructive. Living in a culture based on violence and death like the Palestinains propogate is tough on their children.

The topic took off so fast I haven't had a chance to read all of the posts. For sure some people feel justified in their acts because they have had their family's land taken from them or had a clan member killed. Or they feel humiliated because throughout history they have always been in the position of power when it comes to jewish people. They believe the 'people of the book' have become westernized and moved far away from God. They can't stand that Jews (who are tolerant of homosexuality and pornography) are in a position of power and they, being more righteous and more obedient to God, are not. They've been taught they are close to God and occupy a special place which should be at the head of things, not to be at the head is humiliating to them and disrespectful to their God because disrespecting God can be the only thing to explain it.

Some of the terrorists just want to belong to something, they want the camradery, they want the power and they want what they interpret to be respect from people who fear them. Some are not much more than the losers in life; ne'r-do-wells, thugs, criminals. people of low intelligence who crave a higher status. Zarqqawi fits that description: criminal sadist murderer. Maybe their family at home is dysfunctioanl so they join the gang to escape being on the receiving end of violence or sexual abuse.
Sexually repressed societies express all sorts of problems. I really am convinced the headsawers have some sort of sexually repressed illness. Why hasn't some psychologist published a paper on the phenomena? Some of the terrorists are the losers and misfits of society who belong to nothing so they form a subculture where they are accepted and they develop an ideology to justify their behavior and perhaps to gain sympathy and support. Others are idealistic youth. Rebels always prey on youth's idealism and vacillating hormones.

One of the 911 terrroists felt he didn't fit in while living and studying in Germany. Perhaps he should have studied in America. Our universities don't breed Muslim terrorists as of yet. There's something about European culture that leaves Muslims out and makes Muslims feel they aren't integrated. American Muslims don't feel so alienated that they violently demand that they and their culture be respected. But that's another topic: What is it about the European economy and culture that Muslims fail to integrate into it? People want to become Americans. Maybe we don't push muticulturalism so much that people feel like they don't belong to the whole.

As far as the pics of dead children go as long as they use their children as weapons and shields I won't join in the moral outrage parade over dead children. The Palestians should safeguard their women and children by moving them away from the fighting.

The Palestians and Iraqis seem to take it further than their opponents which surprises me, since they say they are closer to God. What is their God all about? Or is it just their culture? But then Allah makes up a huge part of their lives or so they profess. When it gets down to it they are using Allah to justify their behavior so I can't blame their God Their culture is the problem.

children with guns

A man with his hands steeped in human blood jewish blood applauded by those in a crowd of 1000 people.

A man suspected of being a collaborator is shot in the street (like a dog?) w/o a trial.
People take cellphone pics of him.
A woman stomps him.
Who really knows why he was killed perhaps his killers owed him money and they didn't want to pay. Them being armed members of Islamic Jihad it allows them to say whatever they want about the man. Maybe he slighted them. It all looks like entertainment for the people who have gathered. They entertain themselves with street theatre.

They tell themselves it's all Insh'Allah. Their culture excuses them because Insh'Allah. Anyone remember Flip Wilson the American comedian? He had a running gag where he'd say, "The Devil made me do it!' Well, the Palestinians and the Iraqis give themselves up (translation: take no responsibility for their individual actions) to their God and they say Insh' Allah. Some posters say Islam is the problem. It is part of the problem because people attribute everything to Allah so they relieve themselves of responsibility. Allah gets all the credit and Allah gets all the blame. Well no he doesn't get the blame because there is no judging Allah's actions. So sometimes with Allah shit happens and that's just how it goes. No one is responsible. Insh'Allah. Giving up one's freedom and responsibilities to God makes it very easy to give up the same to dictators. They are conditioned. The system of government fits right in with the religious program they are on.

What is it about the added touch, that extra signature mark, of gouging out the eyes and using a power drill to bore holes into people while they are alive? How is that equivalent to a US soldier firing a weapon from 5000 feet or twenty feet? We had the KKK terrorizing in the south and the government put a stop to it. Last month a guy in Texas dragged his gf behind his car. If found guilty he'll get life in prison or the death penalty. The soldiers who raped that girl and burned her body will get the death penalty or life in a military prison after a trial. Here this Palestianian guy was suspected of being an Israeli collaborator he was killed in the streeet like a dog. No trial, laughed at, photographed with cell phones and stomped by an old women. The Palestian culture approves of it. Sure the KKK mentality and the violence of their hate is just under the surface in parts of the US. But it is kept down. It's not applauded and it doesn't head the government like HAMAS does.

Someone mention the Amish forgiveness. What did people post in this topic? Kill them and their families, women and children. There's your difference. I'd go after those who commited the crime and if they were in the military I'd take it to other troops. I wouldn't seek to escalate it by killing women and children. The uber-men said kill everyone including the women and children. There's your problem. For them revenge is justice. They think revenge is the work of the righteous. Arab culture says revenge is justice and failure to extract revenge directly relfects on your manhood and leaves you open to being the cabin boy amongst your peers.

I won't let anyone convince me of some sort of equivalency between a US soldier shooting a weapon and a Palestinain steeping their hands in human blood or an Iraqi using a power drill to bore into someone's flesh.

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So Americans cheering when their enemies are blown up is ok but it is animal like if Muslims do it?

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Perhaps even you can distinguish a difference between the death of Adolf Hitler and the people who died on 9/11/01?

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Sorry Mr Earl. He can not distinguish the difference. Too me that is a serious concern since he is suppose to be a teacher.

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Again. I never made the comparison.

A man with his hands steeped in human blood jewish blood applauded by those in a crowd of 1000 people.

I remember this picture very well.
But I can relief you.....he is (so Gods will) dead now.

I forgot to mentioned they dumped the body out the window so the crowd could stomp on it.

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Teaching children to hate.

Teaching children to fight.

Adults wondering why there is war's.

Oh well, Maybe someday the world will wake up.

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And that goes for both sides.

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Are they indoctrinating hatred of Arabs, Muslims, and Islam in general now?

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Yes

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Where do you get your incorrect information from?

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Your posts are extremely hateful towards Muslims. Where does this hatred come from? The media, politicans, educators the Western culture in general. Imagine how hateful you would be if Muslims were occupying your country!

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Originally Posted by HermantheGerman

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A Katyusha rocket was fired from the Gaza Strip into Israel for the first time on Tuesday, raising fears that Palestinian terror groups have obtained additional weaponry that the IDF had yet to face in its war against Gaza-based terror.

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Link?

It's funny seeing the outrage over a primative rocket when the Israelis have the latest tanks, aircraft, and nukes.

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It's funny seeing the outrage over a primative rocket when the Israelis have the latest tanks, aircraft, and nukes.

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Indeed. Why is it intollerable for the Israelis to live with a hotpotch of 1940s designed Soviet era Hezbollah rockets aimed at their northern outposts while they have a 200 missile nuclear arsenal pointed at half the capital cities in the Middle East?

because the people up north use them by the hundreds and thousands.

And what is the overall death toll of those compared to what the other side accomplished with modern weapons?

Israel getting pissed off about rockets is like me getting pissed because my neighbor bought a slingshot. Yeah, I might get popped once in awhile but it's no match for my arsenal. He shoots me with a rock, I kill 20 of his cattle. Who's the terrorist? The one throwing the rock or the one responding disproportionately?

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Originally Posted by attaboy

because the people up north use them by the hundreds and thousands.

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In the last Hezbollah conflict the Israelis must have used 100 tons of munitions for every Hezbollah ton.

As far as rocks and tanks. The palestinains know how to play up the David and Goliath image. They know how to sucker people with romantic images. They could get more sophisticated weapons but what they use now plays very well for them in the sympathy department. As far as killing twenty cows. My guess is over the years the Israelis have triesd many ways of retaliating against Palestinian agression and attacks, one of them being a blow to their pocketbooks.


You asked why it was intolerable and I gave a suggestion. Actually over the years the isrealis have been very tolerable and not answered rocket fire.

Is a person who straps a bomb on themselves and blows up a target any different of a terrorist than the one who flys a plane and drops a bomb on a target?

It depends on the target and the degree of homocide is determined by intent.

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...This regime, thanks to God, has lost the reason for its existence.

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Which was its reason for existence, ceburat, and how has it lost it?

And which God do you mean here?:p

Btw, the thread has been drifting off-topic for a while, we do have an Iran-Israel thread from a while back.

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Which ever God Pres.Iran was referring to in his comments. I only copied part of the story and provided the ref for those interested in the whole story.

Yes there is a lot of information here by me and other, that is not directly related to what Macha started when he started this thread. However, I believe it relates to it well. All IMO of course.

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This thread's about what makes terrorists, and as it seems some people don't regard the Iranian as a terrorist, your post is clearly off topic.

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Hahahahaha... Iran a terrorist state huh??
Next thing you would be saying that men can give birth to children.

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It depends on the target and the degree of homocide is determined by intent.

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What about the Pentagon? The military nerve center of a country would be the top of any invading General's list

It's a military target. The passengers and crew forced to stay on board the aircraft for the 911 attack were civilians.

Collateral damage?

^^ no, they were collateral damages

Damn, surasak bet me to it :D

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Teaching children to hate.

Teaching children to fight.

Adults wondering why there is war's.

Oh well, Maybe someday the world will wake up.

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And that goes for both sides.

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Are they indoctrinating hatred of Arabs, Muslims, and Islam in general now?

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Yes

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mad dog, how would you know , been to school lately?? have kids that are being taught to use weapons or hate mussies???

My daughters school has had assemblies asking the students to be more friendly to the Muslims students and to realize that this is America and we are a melting pot of cultures !!!!---- I wonder if Islamic countries state funded schools have those types of assemblies for their nonIslamic students??? ----

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No Islamic schools dont have such assemblies cos we dont do it and it is something thought to us by our parents and we know if someone asks you to be nice to someone that means nothing.

Their intent was to kill the civilains too. And you should have saved the thrust for mad_dog after all he set up the impending blow.

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What makes a terrorist?

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People make terrorists & it starts at birth.

Children in Islam

Parental love is instinctive both in animals and in humans. These pictures are to show the level of brainwashing that it takes to make a parent harm and mutilate his own toddler to appease his imaginary deity.

A Shiite mother rejoices after inflicting wounds on the head of her toddler

A father cutting his son to bleed as penitence for the killing of Imam Hussein

A loving father teaching "religious values" to his son, Islamic way.

A proud mother watching her son bleed. The more pain the greater the reward. After this she is assured of paradise.

^ Do we need to post Holocaust photos to show how nice white Christians treat others?

^^One would also use that method to argue that Israel wanted to kill civilians in Lebanon. You can't have it both ways. Either it's a legitimate military target with civilian collateral damage or it's not.

After all, empty passenger jets are hard to come by, aren't they?

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What makes a terrorist?

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People make terrorists & it starts at birth.

Children in Islam

Parental love is instinctive both in animals and in humans. These pictures are to show the level of brainwashing that it takes to make a parent harm and mutilate his own toddler to appease his imaginary deity.

A Shiite mother rejoices after inflicting wounds on the head of her toddler

A father cutting his son to bleed as penitence for the killing of Imam Hussein

A loving father teaching "religious values" to his son, Islamic way.

A proud mother watching her son bleed. The more pain the greater the reward. After this she is assured of paradise.

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Ahh the pics of the day of Ashura i.e 10th moharram and Shia muslims mourn on that day including me. It is nothing new for me and I aint shocked.

Have it both ways? How am I trying to have it both ways? Are you proposing to speak for me for what Israel did in Leboman? It's 5:30am so I'm a little drowsy here and I may be getting confused.

There intent was to kill civilians on the penatagon flight. Therefore the civialns are not collataral they are part of the planned misery and terror the terrorists wished to inflict.

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After all, empty passenger jets are hard to come by, aren't they?

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Am i supposed to answer that?

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What makes a terrorist?

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People make terrorists & it starts at birth.

Children in Islam

Parental love is instinctive both in animals and in humans. These pictures are to show the level of brainwashing that it takes to make a parent harm and mutilate his own toddler to appease his imaginary deity.

A Shiite mother rejoices after inflicting wounds on the head of her toddler

A father cutting his son to bleed as penitence for the killing of Imam Hussein

A loving father teaching "religious values" to his son, Islamic way.

A proud mother watching her son bleed. The more pain the greater the reward. After this she is assured of paradise.

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Ahh the pics of the day of Ashura i.e 10th moharram and Shia muslims mourn on that day including me. It is nothing new for me and I aint shocked.

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saving this

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Have it both ways? How am I trying to have it both ways? Are you proposing to speak for me for what Israel did in Leboman? It's 5:30am so I'm a little drowsy here and I may be getting confused.

There intent was to kill civilians on the penatagon flight. Therefore the civialns are not collataral they are part of the planned misery and terror the terrorists wished to inflict.

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After all, empty passenger jets are hard to come by, aren't they?

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Am i supposed to answer that?

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What civilians were they intending to kill? The ones on the plane? If the target was the Pentagon then the passengers were merely collateral damage as those Lebanese civilians were who died during the Israeli air campaign. The fact that the civilians happened to be on the plane is not all that important if the goal was to crash into the Pentagon since empty airliners are extremely rare at 8-10AM in the morning.

If the premise is that an intentional grounding of a plane was in fact an intended consequence to kill civilians as well as hit a military target then you must also accept that any action in war that kills civilians is intentional as well.

Yeah, I can see it now:

"United Airlines, how may we help you?"

"Yeah, I need a 737 to crash into the Pentagon on 9-11. Can you make sure there's no passengers aboard? Oh, and don't tell anyone. Thaaaaaaanks."

It should have read: the intent was to kill (the) civilians on the pentagon flight. Not that the "the" makes much of a difference.

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the civialns are not collataral they are part of the planned misery and terror the terrorists wished to inflict.

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The civilians were part of the intended terror.

What happened to airline revenues after 911? people didn't fly because they were terrorized maybe eh?

In the same way civilians killed in Lebanon were just part of the intended terror?

If the Pentagon was the target then the passengers must be collateral damage. Right?

Gory photos deleted. Please provide links only as per Stroller's request.

Bombing civilians who stayed behind was not intended if they were around military targets. Bombing the car caravans leaving the warzone was wrong.

More than one objective I'd say. They could chew gum and walk at the same time.

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What happened to airline revenues after 911? people didn't fly because they were terrorized maybe eh?

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Maybe because they were chickenshit? I had my tickets booked prior to 9-11 and still flew less than a month later. Didn't stop me. I'm not a coward.

The way we've acted the past 5 years is more than enough proof that the terrorists have won. A few guys with boxcutters brought a powerful nation to its knees. They accomplished more that morning than any nation in the history of the earth who has been against us. Man, what the fuck would we do if there was really a major event? Dirty nuclear explosion? A city wiped out? Taking down a pair of skyscrapers is nothing compared to what we could face. Are we all going to choke on our own paranoia if it happens again?

Look at the fucking shit that takes place in Iraq, yet, people still go on. That's terrorism. We don't fucking know what it is because it's not taking place in every city and every neighborhood here. We lost a few thousand people out of hundreds of millions. We simply have never experienced it and we overreacted as it was.

America is a nation of pussies if a few hijackings is all it took to force us to change our laws and erode liberties the way we have.