What makes terrorists?

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Israels actions towards the Palestininas and its neighbours are one of the most common reasons given when Islamic terrorists are asked why they took up terrorist tactics. Bin laden himself referred to the 1984 Israeli massacre of Lebanese at Qana as a pivotal moment in his life. I wonder how many new terrorists the 2006 Israeli massacre at Qana produced?

If the Arabic nations would just leave Israel alone then they would have no reason to respond to the Arabic attacks!!!!

I noticed that Israel called for peace talks a while back !!!!!

What was the answer that they received ??????

yep, them peace loving mussies said :finger: Israel and your peace talks !!!!

Abbas has been begging hand on knees to negotiate for years you couldn't possibly find a Palestinian more moderate than him and the Israelis completely sidelined him.

So peace talks with who? What were their pre-condtions for the peace talks? Link ?

yahoo internet news--do your own search

Any dates or details you could give me to aid my search? You are being very vague kid.

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Abbas is a good man. You are right in all you say about him. But it is a fact, the U. S. and Israel will not cooperate with him because of Hamas. They must recognize Israel's right to exist if they want to talk peace.
That is very reasonable. It is also reasonable for all the fighting to stop on both sides if they are going to talk peace. Will they both do it--who the hell knows.

Finally, a post of yours I agree with.

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But it is a fact, the U. S. and Israel will not cooperate with him because of Hamas

and before that, there was another excuse for not talking peace. You don't get it, Israel don't want peace. They want mass murder.

Hamas was elected because Israel wasn't cooperating with the previous moderate government, always arguing over silly pretense. Hamas was the only possible response.

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I don't understand what children's rights in Arab countries have to do with UN resolutions and Israel?

Getting a bit carried away here, Herman?

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I think it is called respect!
That you don't respect your enemy I can understand. But your own children?!???

"The UN's Declaration of the Rights of Children of November 22, 1959 states that "Humanity must give the child the best of itself", and in Principle 9, it declares that "the child must be protected from any form of negligence, cruelty and exploitation and must not be submitted to trade of any form."
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I agree with you, but you missed the point. UN resolutions are not conditional on others adhering to different UN legislation. The (alledged) disregard for children's rights is no justification for Israel's actions.
You are confused.

Have you seen the pics of Palestine victims of war/violence? Any comment on the fate of those children?

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Abbas has been begging hand on knees to negotiate for years you couldn't possibly find a Palestinian more moderate than him and the Israelis completely sidelined him.

So peace talks with who? What were their pre-condtions for the peace talks? Link ?

Abbas is a good man. You are right in all you say about him. But it is a fact, the U. S. and Israel will not cooperate with him because of Hamas. They must recognize Israel's right to exist if they want to talk peace.
That is very reasonable. It is also reasonable for all the fighting to stop on both sides if they are going to talk peace. Will they both do it--who the hell knows.

Abbas had over a year in power free when Hamas was not in government. Also Hamas has been observing a ceasfire for over 8 months. Israel doesn't want a ceasfire before negotiations they want the Palestinians to unilaterally declare pacifism and disarm before real talks can even being. This is a request no one could ever comply with. That is why they make it.

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That is why they make it.

agree, silly pretense to get away with mass murder

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That is why they make it.

agree, silly pretense to get away with mass murder

Yes its madness! They wanted Abbas's Palestinian Authority to dismantle all militias while they denied the PA's police petrol, small arms and constantly killed its offiicials and bombed its government offices. The Palestinans could never have complied.

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Israels actions towards the Palestininas and its neighbours are one of the most common reasons given when Islamic terrorists are asked why they took up terrorist tactics. Bin laden himself referred to the 1984 Israeli massacre of Lebanese at Qana as a pivotal moment in his life. I wonder how many new terrorists the 2006 Israeli massacre at Qana produced?

Of course that is what they say and maybe some believe it. However, being raised to hate anything not islamic has more to do with it.

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I don't believe UBL was lying about his reaction to Israel's invasion of Lebanon. But even if he was why would he do that? To tap into the fact that most Muslims find Israel's actions enraging!

Israels actions in Palestine, Lebanon and Syria coupled with Americas actions in Iraq and Afghanistan are the best recruiting sergeant Al Qaeda could ever wish for.

I wonder how Al Qaeda will react when non Muslims start placing bombs at mosques, taking sniper shots at mussies, getting in the car and running over innocent Muslims????

It is only a matter of time until things like this Will start happening if terrorist attack continue !!!

Matter of fact-- I believe some sniper shootings occurred at mosques here in the states at the beginning of Ramadan

If terrorist attacks continue and Muslim leaders keep calling for HOLY WAR -- NON MUSLIMS are going get tired of the situation

What makes terrorists?

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Butterfly--that bull shit is not my post

I know it's not, but somehow I have a feeling this is what you think for the MANY others who didn't get caught YET. A good Iraqi is a dead Iraqi.

Are you aware that people who think like you are the cause of wars?

Terrist Activities? Your thinking is so far off from reality that IMO you are beyond hope.

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Israels actions towards the Palestininas and its neighbours are one of the most common reasons given when Islamic terrorists are asked why they took up terrorist tactics. Bin laden himself referred to the 1984 Israeli massacre of Lebanese at Qana as a pivotal moment in his life. I wonder how many new terrorists the 2006 Israeli massacre at Qana produced?

Of course that is what they say and maybe some believe it. However, being raised to hate anything not islamic has more to do with it.

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I don't believe UBL was lying about his reaction to Israel's invasion of Lebanon. But even if he was why would he do that? To tap into the fact that most Muslims find Israel's actions enraging!

Israels actions in Palestine, Lebanon and Syria coupled with Americas actions in Iraq and Afghanistan are the best recruiting sergeant Al Qaeda could ever wish for.

I wonder how Al Qaeda will react when non Muslims start placing bombs at mosques, taking sniper shots at mussies, getting in the car and running over innocent Muslims????

That is already happening daily in Palestine KID that is what we are trying to tell you.....

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I believe the correct phrase is COLLATERAL DAMAGE-- that's what happens when armed militants hide among and behind unarmed civilians-- who then get caught up in the cross fire !!!- GRIP GOT

Right on Kid. I might add, what happened in Lebanon is terrorist activities, not by Israel, but by Herzbolla backed by Iran. Iran is the ones responsible for killing of the children and the blood is their hands.

And when paedophile American troops rape and murder a child and then kill her entire family it is Al Qaeda's fault. Your logic is flawless.

There is just one key thing your missing MD.
The American people or the west are ashamed and not proud about this.

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Israels actions towards the Palestininas and its neighbours are one of the most common reasons given when Islamic terrorists are asked why they took up terrorist tactics. Bin laden himself referred to the 1984 Israeli massacre of Lebanese at Qana as a pivotal moment in his life. I wonder how many new terrorists the 2006 Israeli massacre at Qana produced?

If the Arabic nations would just leave Israel alone then they would have no reason to respond to the Arabic attacks!!!!

I noticed that Israel called for peace talks a while back !!!!!

What was the answer that they received ??????

yep, them peace loving mussies said :finger: Israel and your peace talks !!!!

Abbas has been begging hand on knees to negotiate for years you couldn't possibly find a Palestinian more moderate than him and the Israelis completely sidelined him.

So peace talks with who? What were their pre-condtions for the peace talks? Link ?

yahoo internet news--do your own search

Any dates or details you could give me to aid my search? You are being very vague kid.

less than 3 weeks ago on yhoo internet news

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Those men are heros who deserve a medal

of course they are, and they will receive one.

Support our troops.

Butterfly--that bull shit is not my post. I don't know how you got it on here but I never said any such think about any one deserving a medal.

If our big MOD is on the ball he can correct this with you.

I agree.
Butterfly, you've taunted Ceburat for a while now, and altering quotes to have a go at him is not acceptable.

You know the rules of engagement!

IMO After Sadam was overthrown the U.S and others should have been able to withdraw. The good Irakies could run the country. Why that didn't happen--Why are they killing each other today? Must be something to do with their upbring.

Oh, of course, I forgot, it's the fault of the west

Are you really that ignorant of modern Iraqi history and the situation under Saddam before the invasion, or are you playing some game here, Ceburat?

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I don't understand what children's rights in Arab countries have to do with UN resolutions and Israel?

Getting a bit carried away here, Herman?

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I think it is called respect!
That you don't respect your enemy I can understand. But your own children?!???

"The UN's Declaration of the Rights of Children of November 22, 1959 states that "Humanity must give the child the best of itself", and in Principle 9, it declares that "the child must be protected from any form of negligence, cruelty and exploitation and must not be submitted to trade of any form."
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I agree with you, but you missed the point. UN resolutions are not conditional on others adhering to different UN legislation. The (alledged) disregard for children's rights is no justification for Israel's actions.
You are confused.

Have you seen the pics of Palestine victims of war/violence? Any comment on the fate of those children?

Do you think I'am like those animals who cheered after they saw 9/11?
I hope that answers your question.

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I don't understand what children's rights in Arab countries have to do with UN resolutions and Israel?

Getting a bit carried away here, Herman?

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I think it is called respect!
That you don't respect your enemy I can understand. But your own children?!???

"The UN's Declaration of the Rights of Children of November 22, 1959 states that "Humanity must give the child the best of itself", and in Principle 9, it declares that "the child must be protected from any form of negligence, cruelty and exploitation and must not be submitted to trade of any form."
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I agree with you, but you missed the point. UN resolutions are not conditional on others adhering to different UN legislation. The (alledged) disregard for children's rights is no justification for Israel's actions.
You are confused.

Have you seen the pics of Palestine victims of war/violence? Any comment on the fate of those children?

Do you think I'am like those animals who cheered after they saw 9/11?
I hope that answers your question.

I remember a lot of cheering in Britain and America during Desert Storm. Remember the smugness of the Generals and how the people were wowed by the CNN footage of smart bombs going down chimneys? How is that different to people cheering on 9/11???

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IMO After Sadam was overthrown the U.S and others should have been able to withdraw. The good Irakies could run the country. Why that didn't happen--Why are they killing each other today? Must be something to do with their upbring.

Oh, of course, I forgot, it's the fault of the west

If the Iraqis really wanted a democratic government that would been exactly how the situation would have went !!!

BUT, unfortunately the west failed to see that they are dealing with a culture that knows nothing other than--SLAUGHTER THOSE WHO DON'T HAVE THE SAME IDEOLOGY AS YOURSELF

This was the major mistake in Iraq. The Iraqis can not come to grips with the thought of actually living in peace and accepting that even if the leader they wish elected does not come to office that it is better for the country as a whole to hold peaceful elections rather than the ruling of the country by THE PERSON WITH THE BIGGEST SWORD

Now that's nonsense, kid.

Maybe 'they' just don't want your American-style so-called democracy thrust upon them? Perhaps there are many different interest groups, motives and reactions to outside influence at work here, which the naive and arrogant US and UK govs failed to forsee?

Several answers to "what makes terrorists?" can be found in Iraq.

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Your thinking is so far off from reality that IMO you are beyond hope.

I am not the one believing in the silly Bible.

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are you playing some game here, Ceburat?

That was my thinking too. I think he is playing circle games. Probably to make a point. Which one ? I don't know.

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Maybe 'they' just don't want your American-style so-called democracy thrust upon them?

Maybe they are just tired of trigger happy Americans killing innocent civilians because they don't know how to control their anger and fear

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How is that different to people cheering on 9/11???

well it's on TV and it feels like a videogame and it's cool.

ok, gotta go, it stopped raining and I am going to be late for the ladyboys bar. Maybe we can finish those revelations tomorrow.

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Maybe 'they' just don't want your American-style so-called democracy thrust upon them?

Maybe they are just tired of trigger happy Americans killing innocent civilians because they don't know how to control their anger and fear

that's B.S, the iraqis are killing each other off over who will gain control !!!

like I said-- it's the HE WHO HAS THE BIGGEST SWORD mentality !!!

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I don't understand what children's rights in Arab countries have to do with UN resolutions and Israel?

Getting a bit carried away here, Herman?

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I think it is called respect!
That you don't respect your enemy I can understand. But your own children?!???

"The UN's Declaration of the Rights of Children of November 22, 1959 states that "Humanity must give the child the best of itself", and in Principle 9, it declares that "the child must be protected from any form of negligence, cruelty and exploitation and must not be submitted to trade of any form."
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I agree with you, but you missed the point. UN resolutions are not conditional on others adhering to different UN legislation. The (alledged) disregard for children's rights is no justification for Israel's actions.
You are confused.

Have you seen the pics of Palestine victims of war/violence? Any comment on the fate of those children?

Do you think I'am like those animals who cheered after they saw 9/11?
I hope that answers your question.

I remember a lot of cheering in Britain and America during Desert Storm. Remember the smugness of the Generals and how the people were wowed by the CNN footage of smart bombs going down chimneys? How is that different to people cheering on 9/11???

I also remember a lot of cheering in the Arab/muslim world too.
How many % of the world was for desert storm?

P.S. a lot of people also cheered when they found out that Adolf Hitler is dead.
Sorry...I guess my comparison is just as absurd as yours.