Is there really a God regardless of Religion ?

**kerux** · 06-10-2006, 07:07 PM

what is so suspicious about all this is how fast we have evolved.

What makes you think man, basically a spiritual being, evolved?

**Butterfly** · 06-10-2006, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by kerux

Why not look at things from God perspective instead of man's?

Why ? are you God ?

**Butterfly** · 06-10-2006, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by kerux

That's proof that sin entered the world, and death with it, is all.

Fuck it. I said no Bullshit in my thread. This is a serious topic.

**man with no head** · 06-10-2006, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by surasak

Where does intelligence come from?

Little green men ? what is so suspicious about all this is how fast we have evolved. Is that even natural ?

Conside two pots: you plant a seed from the same parent in both. Give both same water, same sunlight, but give one fertilizer and one not. One producing fertilizer makes bigger fruit while the other one produces smaller and fewer fruits. Save seeds, plant again for many generations always keeping the seeds from the fertilized plant in subsequent fertilized soil, etc. Same for the other one.

Now, take a seed from each and plant in crappy soil. Which seed do you suppose would survive?

Lesson is: speed of evolution may not be equivalent to ability to survive. Are we in fact destroying our ability to survive by evolving too fast? How many currently living humans do you suppose could make it if modern life suddenly vanished?

**kerux** · 06-10-2006, 07:11 PM

I said no Bullshit in my thread.

You must have a weird definition of

I haven't been here long enough to figure it out yet.

And what's with this "my' thread male cow dung?

**kerux** · 06-10-2006, 07:12 PM

Why ? are you God ?

Why not?

**Butterfly** · 06-10-2006, 07:14 PM

^ get with the program kerux and show us that not all Christians are silly nutcases

**Butterfly** · 06-10-2006, 07:18 PM

Originally Posted by surasak

Are we in fact destroying our ability to survive by evolving too fast? How many currently living humans do you suppose could make it if modern life suddenly vanished?

Ok, could you develop a bit more ? your line of thought was a bit too fast here to reach such a conclusion for me.

**kerux** · 06-10-2006, 07:19 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

^ get with the program kerux and show us that not all Christians are silly nutcases

Get with the program and show us what, in your opinion, a silly nutcase Christian is.

Conversely, show us what a normal Christian is, in your opinion.

**Butterfly** · 06-10-2006, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by kerux

Those are non-material. They don't die. They are eternal principles.

Maybe our survival instinct dictates all those principles

**friscofrankie** · 06-10-2006, 07:21 PM

You wake up in the morning, look in the mirror. If you see God, he exists. If not?

Organized religions, each and every fucking one of 'em are a crock. Designed mainly to keep the masses in check.

Some men (most?) may at some time need the help of spiritual leader to help him find, within hisself, the strength to face himself.

Sadly, this has turned into a plethora of organizations basically with their hand trying to find its way into your pocket.

**RandomChances** · 06-10-2006, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

well, isn't man a transcendant animal ? I mean our intelligence is the very evidence that we go beyond our normal condition as animals.

Who is to say, that animals have no intelligence, geneticaly we are something like 99% the same as some apes, whos to say cat and dogs dont dream, feel and think albeit in a more rudimentery way, most aminals are capable of learning so therfore you cout assume thay are capable of thinking

**kerux** · 06-10-2006, 07:23 PM

Maybe our survival instinct dictates all those principles

I thought you didn't want any

On your thread?

Explain to us how a 'survival instinct' produced honesty or justice.

**kerux** · 06-10-2006, 07:24 PM

geneticaly we are something like 99% the same as some apes,

TIME says that humans and chimps have 98–99% identical DNA. This is in part based on the completed draft sequence of the chimpanzee genome.

However, this is misleading because it ignores many important differences. These differences were discussed in Chimp genome sequence very different from man. Although chimpanzees have 24 pairs of chromosomes and humans have 23, there are many significant differences. In fact, when the chimpanzee sequence was reported in Nature, they said that the percent similarity was 96%. Although 1.23% of the differences were single DNA base pair changes, more than twice that number were extra DNA bases that were found either in chimpanzees or humans. TIME conveniently left the percentages of the extra DNA out so that they could keep the difference at 98–99% based on only the single base pair changes. The use of a percentage also obscures the fact that it is at least roughly 125 million DNA base pairs that are different between the two species. To put the number into perspective, I am currently finishing writing a book. With 190 pages there are only ~300,000 letters in the book. It would take 400 such books just to equal the differences between chimps and humans.

TIME to stay current on human origins

**Butterfly** · 06-10-2006, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by RandomChances

Who is to say, that animals have no intelligence, geneticaly we are something like 99% the same as some apes, whos to say cat and dogs dont dream, feel and think albeit in a more rudimentery way, most aminals are capable of learning so therfore you cout assume thay are capable of thinking

This is really debatable because the ability to learn is hardly a sign of "intelligence". Some "inanimate" objects have memory and can learn and remember a shape. Are they intelligent ? of course not.

Can animals break their cycle of thoughts or choose to change their daily routine, let alone their "destiny" ? I don't think so. Doesn't mean we don't have to respect them though. Can a cow choose to go on a hunger strike because it doesn't like its working conditions ? hopefully not

**RandomChances** · 06-10-2006, 07:27 PM

Originally Posted by kerux

If so why bother making something as big as the universe just for us to live in ?

What makes you think God created the universe for us?

Maybe He created it for Himself and we get to enjoy Him and His creationn along with Him

No where did I say that I though god created the universe for us. The question was "if there is a god why would it bother making something as big as the universe just for us to live in ?" and your best answer is that it is god's plaything, which is as logical as any argument involving god I suppose

**ceburat** · 06-10-2006, 07:28 PM

Welcome to my thread

I hate Christian nuts so you better behave.[/quote]

I keep asking myself, why did he start this thread? Now I know. You really don't want to know anything. You simply want to stir the pot.

**kerux** · 06-10-2006, 07:30 PM

Organized religions, each and every fucking one of 'em are a crock. Designed mainly to keep the masses in check.

Agreed.

Check out Christianity. It isn't a religion.

**Butterfly** · 06-10-2006, 07:31 PM

we need to kill that "BS" flag, it's overly annoying.

**kerux** · 06-10-2006, 07:33 PM

You simply want to stir the pot.

So? Pots need stirring occasionally or the ingredients at the bottom gets burnt.

**Butterfly** · 06-10-2006, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by kerux

Check out Christianity. It isn't a religion.

care to develop ? here is your chance to prove us wrong that Christians are nutcases.

**kerux** · 06-10-2006, 07:34 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

we need to kill that "BS" flag, it's overly annoying.

Not as annoying as the BS being spouted on 'your thread.'

Stop spouting so much

and we won't see it as much.

**kerux** · 06-10-2006, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Originally Posted by kerux

Check out Christianity. It isn't a religion.

care to develop ? here is your chance to prove us wrong that Christians are nutcases.

Oh, no you don't. We're waiting for you to explain to us, in your opinion, what a wacky silly Christian nutcase is

**ceburat** · 06-10-2006, 07:37 PM

Originally Posted by kerux

Organized religions, each and every fucking one of 'em are a crock. Designed mainly to keep the masses in check.

Agreed.

Check out Christianity. It isn't a religion.

Christianity...from my dictionary...the religion that is based on the teachings of Jesus Christ and belief that he was the son of God. This is from the Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary.

Christianity is and has always been a religion.

**RandomChances** · 06-10-2006, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by Butterfly

This is really debatable because the ability to learn is hardly a sign of "intelligence". Some "inanimate" objects have memory and can learn and remember a shape. Are they intelligent ? of course not.

Hmmm I dont agree with that but it's a good point. So called intelegent materials are molecularly programed (I think) The material will react in a certain way to certain stimuli. Now yes you could assume that inteligence but its not really IMO its just reacting to its programming and enviroment. Animals some to more a degree than others do have the ability to "learn" for themselfs with no external stimulus from man, some will undoubtedly just react to their enviroment but others do have the capability to actualy shape that enviroment.

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Can animals break their cycle of thoughts or choose to change their daily routine, let alone their "destiny" ? I don't think so. Doesn't mean we don't have to respect them though.

Yes I think so, I only have to look at my dogs they go where they want when they want, if they were just reacting to a daily routien they would more or less do the same things at the same time every day (the farm is pretty constant in tis routien). As for having the ability to change their destiny, then I would very much doubt it, but then again a lot of people have'nt the abiltiy either

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