Thread: Health Care Passes

Originally Posted by JayZee

a campaign to prevent the bill being branded "Trumpcare"

Only right- it's donaldcare.

This Is Donald Trump’s Backup if the Republican Health Care Plan Fails

President Donald Trump has a novel idea for if and when the GOP's controversial Obamacare replacement plan fails to pass Congress: Lay the blame on Democrats.

Trump met with a variety of conservative groups who have been slamming the so-called American Health Care Act since its introduction in the House of Representatives Monday night. Prominent right-wing factions both inside and outside Congress have criticized the bill over provisions such as tax credits to encourage people to buy insurance and concerns that the legislation doesn't take a hatchet to the Medicaid program for the poor quickly enough.

Trump reportedly told the gathering, which included the Club for Growth, the Heritage Foundation, and other influential conservative groups, that in the worst-case scenario where the proposed plan flounder in the House or the Senate, he'll simply sit back as Obamacare fails and put the onus on Democrats to explain why it happened, according to CNN.

The president also attempted to rally the skeptical group by assuring them that critics of the GOP plan, such as Republican Sen. Rand Paul, would ultimately support it, and that the final legislation "is going to be great." He also offered olive branches on issues like cutting Medicaid, which the administration is reportedly willing to do sooner than drafted in the initial bill.Republican Congressional leaders are attempting to rush the Obamacare replacement through Congress before even more opposition to it can mount. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell has already said that he will bring a House-passed bill directly to the Senate floor, bypassing the traditional committee evaluation process, to expedite passage. "We need to deliver" on Obamacare repeal, he said Thursday.

Donald Trump: GOP Healthcare Plan Backup ? Blame Democrats | Fortune.com


Blaming the Democrats will not fix the healthcare problem that "no one knew was so complicated."

What a lazy sleazebag.

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i think that might be in the wrong thread.


the republican controlled house has drafted legislation to repeal and replace the ACA, and they sent it to the CBO to figure out the numbers (what it's going to cost the govt, how many people will be covered and what it's going to cost them, etc...)

well, it seems that the republicans know that this train wreck is going to cost more than the ACA and fewer people are going to be covered....so they've started slamming the CBO...but here's the problem....republicans chose the director of the CBO two years ago...and one of those who chose him was trump's secretary of HHS.

Originally Posted by raycarey

republicans know that this train wreck is going to cost more than the ACA

Worried it will cost them Congressional majority in 2018. Less coverage and more expensive is not the best way to bring in the votes.

Originally Posted by raycarey

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i think that might be in the wrong thread.

You're right, it was.

I'll move it over.

Ta.

Repeal and replace is a myth. The Freedom Caucus dominated house never had any intention of replacing the ACA. It is all a charade. The Republican answer to replacement is use an emergency room and don't be poor.

Quote of the day:

TrumpCare: It's like Trump University, but you die.

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Worried it will cost them Congressional majority in 2018. Less coverage and more expensive is not the best way to bring in the votes.

People don't tend to remember what they have been given, but they surely remember what they have taken away ...

Full Kasich Interview: 'Political Parties are Disintegrating' - NBC News

Ohio Governor John Kasich (R) joined Meet the Press to talk about his hopes that Democrats and Republicans work together can work together on healthcare reform.

Originally Posted by S Landreth

24 Million People Stand To Lose Insurance Under GOP Obamacare ‘Replacement’

Fvck the republicans and their plan.

They need to keep the Medicare expansion in place, maintain the maximum seniors can be charged at 3 to 1 (instead of the proposed 5 to 1) OR make the subsidy for seniors bigger, and lose the amuteur hour Planned Parenthood defunding nonsense

Change those three things and this bill represents a substantial improvement on Obamacare imo. The fix they are offering on the individual mandate is how Obamacare always should have been structured, they are opening the subsidies up to more people who are currently having trouble affording care, this bill would actually be a huge boon for the middle class in this country because all those people making 40k and above a year are phased out of the subsidy program and they aren't rich by a long shot.This bill surprised me by actually being a (mostly) serious plan.

Originally Posted by redhaze

Change those three things and this bill is a substantial improvement on Obamacare imo

How about availing health care company choice across state lines like promised by Trump?

^ Already can do that in several states including Georgia, but no one has taken up the offer.

Originally Posted by Humbert

How about availing health care company choice across state lines like promised by Trump?

I think that's a really good idea, but the increase in plan choices (and prices) would probably cost insurance companies a ton of money and so if its not in the bill we know why.

Devastating...


Fourteen million Americans would lose medical insurance by next year under a Republican plan to dismantle Obamacare that would also reduce the budget deficit, the nonpartisan U.S. Congressional Budget Office said on Monday.

The CBO report, which also dealt a potential setback to President Donald Trump's first major legislative initiative, forecast that 24 million more people would be uninsured in 2026 if the plan being considered in the House of Representatives were adopted. Obamacare expanded insurance to about 20 million Americans. (bit.ly/2mkdeYA)

The report could influence sentiment toward a bill already under fire from Democrats and some Republicans, who have long vowed to repeal the 2010 Affordable Care Act, former Democratic President Barack Obama's signature piece of domestic policy.

The CBO projected that 52 million people would be uninsured by 2026 if the bill became law, compared with 28 million who would not have coverage that year if the law remained unchanged.

Two House of Representatives committees have approved the legislation to dismantle Obamacare that was unveiled by Republican leaders a week ago, but it faces opposition from not only Democrats but also medical providers including doctors and hospitals and many conservatives. The CBO report's findings could make the Republican plan a harder sell for lawmakers, particularly in the U.S. Senate.

The agency, however, said federal deficits would fall by $337 billion between 2017 and 2026 under the Republican bill.

Some health policy experts and Wall Street analysts said the report was more draconian than expected, with the uninsured rate declining more quickly than foreseen. Doctors groups and patient advocates said the bill must be abandoned.
Some Republicans worry a misfire on the Republican healthcare legislation could hobble Trump's presidency and set the stage for losses for the party in the 2018 congressional elections.

The Trump administration defended the healthcare plan, which they say will have a second and third phase that will entice consumers. Health and Human Services Secretary Tom Price said at the White House that Trump's plan would cover more individuals at a lower cost and it was "virtually impossible" to envision that 14 million people would lose insurance coverage by next year.

Democratic leaders in Congress said the bill could result in elderly people being kicked out of nursing homes as it simultaneously gives tax cuts for the richest Americans.

"How can they look their constituents in the eye when they say 24 million of you no longer have coverage and those of you who do have it, will have less coverage at more cost to you," House Democratic leader Nancy Pelosi said.
Trump himself made no comment on the report.


PREMIUMS TO RISE


The Affordable Care Act, often called Obamacare, aimed to help restrain U.S. healthcare spending, which is about 17 percent of the nation's economy, but it has continued to grow faster than inflation.

The proposal would end the Obamacare expansion of the Medicaid insurance program for the poor and would replace Obamacare's income-based subsidies with fixed tax credits for the purchase of private insurance.

The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center on Monday said the Republican plan would benefit the wealthiest U.S. households far more than middle-income families. A family making $51,600 to $89,400 a year, including fringe benefits like employer-provided health insurance, would get a tax cut averaging $300. The top 0.1 percent of earners with incomes of at least $3.9 million would get a tax cut of about $207,000, the study said.

The CBO estimated that insurance premiums would rise 15 percent to 20 percent in both 2018 and 2019 because fewer healthy people would sign up after the repeal of the Obamacare penalty for declining to obtain insurance. But it said the hikes would be offset after 2020 by a $100 billion fund allocated to states in the bill and deregulation in the insurance market.

While the federal government would lose revenues through the repeal of Obamacare’s individual and employer mandates’ tax penalties, CBO said the loss would be surpassed by savings on insurance subsidies and Medicaid payments that Washington would no longer have to provide for people who lost coverage.

At the same time, CBO said the repeal of the individual mandate’s tax penalties would mean higher health insurance premiums for those who retained coverage, because insurers would still have to cover any applicant without being free to raise premiums for older, sicker people, despite lower numbers of younger, healthier customers who are cheaper to insure.

Craig Garthwaite, director of the healthcare program at Northwestern University's Kellogg School of Management, said the CBO estimates made it harder for Republicans to sell their proposal.

"Overall, this is a really bad number for the AHCA. Far more people are predicted to lose coverage than many estimated - and these losses are going to happen more quickly than we would have thought," he said.

House of Representatives Speaker Paul Ryan, a key backer of the plan called the American Health Care Act, said the CBO estimates showed it would ultimately lower premiums.

"Our plan is not about forcing people to buy expensive, one-size-fits-all coverage. It is about giving people more choices and better access to a plan they want and can afford. When people have more choices, costs go down," Ryan said.
Vishnu Lekraj, an equity analyst at Morningstar, said the bill is a net negative for insurers, who would be helped by the elimination of a tax, but hurt by the shrinking individual insurance business.

“The headline number will be viewed as a shock to the system tomorrow," Brian Tanquilut, a stock analyst at Jefferies said of the 14 million losing insurance next year. "The reality of this is that the number being big makes it harder for the bill to pass in its current form.”


Republican plan to repeal Obamacare would leave millions uninsured: report | Reuters

Originally Posted by redhaze

Change those three things and this bill represents a substantial improvement on Obamacare imo.

Riight. Not according to the CBO report that says premiums will increase.

This discussion really belongs here;

https://teakdoor.com/speakers-corner/...ml#post3483998 (Health Care Passes)

Originally Posted by Humbert

Originally Posted by redhaze

Change those three things and this bill is a substantial improvement on Obamacare imo

How about availing health care company choice across state lines like promised by Trump?

Great idea,and put caps on litigation to actual damages incurred.

Originally Posted by raycarey

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i think that might be in the wrong thread.


the republican controlled house has drafted legislation to repeal and replace the ACA, and they sent it to the CBO to figure out the numbers (what it's going to cost the govt, how many people will be covered and what it's going to cost them, etc...)

well, it seems that the republicans know that this train wreck is going to cost more than the ACA and fewer people are going to be covered....so they've started slamming the CBO...but here's the problem....republicans chose the director of the CBO two years ago...and one of those who chose him was trump's secretary of HHS.

Misleading post, the CBO estimates in the long term it will ave the government a substantial amount of money,and the rise of uninsured will come largely by choice of young people.

Originally Posted by raycarey

Originally Posted by Norton

Worried it will cost them Congressional majority in 2018.

the AARP already has an ad up that slams trump care.


get ready to hear the term "age tax" a lot over the next few weeks.

The AARP is a left leaning organization,of course they oppose Trump.

Originally Posted by Humbert

Repeal and replace is a myth. The Freedom Caucus dominated house never had any intention of replacing the ACA. It is all a charade. The Republican answer to replacement is use an emergency room and don't be poor.

What a great idea: don't be poor.