Thread: 9/11.....five years on

Originally Posted by Butterfly

Forbes is one source and use a certain methodology. They are richer people than Bill Gates but they don't advertise it on Forbes issue of top millionaires in the world.

Are you divining your information mr rocket scientist?

Quite a few inappropriate and libellous posts removed from the last 2 pages.
can't you guys have a discussion without bringing pedophilia and sexuality into the equation.

I found this huge article on The New Yorker to be quite interesting, especially these parts:

Al Qaeda’s version of utopia has drawn the allegiance of a new generation of Arabs, who have been tutored on the Internet by ideologues such as Suri and Naji. This “third generation of mujahideen,” as Suri calls them, have been radicalized by September 11th, the occupation of Iraq, and the Palestinian intifada. (Suri wrote this before the current struggle in Lebanon.) Those jihadis fighting in the conflict in Iraq have been trained in vicious urban warfare against the most formidable army in history. They will return to their home countries and add their expertise to the new cells springing up in the Middle East, Central Asia, the Philippines, Indonesia, Malaysia, and many European nations.

With a few troublesome exceptions, America has been free of the kind of indigenous Islamist terrorism that has recently visited Britain. It is a tribute to the American Muslim community, which is more integrated into American society than its counterparts in Europe. Relatively few Muslims in the U.S. have been imprisoned, and the typical Muslim household earns more than the national average. The situation in Europe is starkly different, which means that it will be an ongoing source of trouble, and may continue to be a launching pad for the kind of attacks against America represented by the alleged plot to blow up as many as ten airliners over the Atlantic

Apparently even Nazrallah condemned the 9-11 attacks (along with the former President of Iran) as being contrary to Islam.

The New Yorker: Fact

Originally Posted by surasak[/quote

Apparently even Nazrallah condemned the 9-11 attacks (along with the former President of Iran) as being contrary to Islam.

The New Yorker: Fact

This is true. Hassan Nizrallah has has always condemned the 9/11 attacks.

Originally Posted by Mhz

He is talking about Sultan of Brunei. Do you even know what Brunei is??

The only thing I can say about Brunei is that Royal Brunei is a good airline

Yes, and another great example of a muslim. I take the money and the rest can go to hell. He is a real hard working person who contrubutes a lot of his wealth to.........? Fill in the blank.
In Brunei the sultan rules with unrestricted power. Civilian and political rights are heavily restricted. Women are subjected to discrimination. Freedom of religion is limited."
The Sultan lives in a new palace that may have cost as much as a billion dollars, while over 90% of his subjects live in abject poverty. Those who protest such inequities don't fare well with the authorities. According to Amnesty International, Brunei's jails hold "at least five prisoners of conscience who have spent 25 years in detention without having been convicted of any crime."
The Sultan, who is the absolute ruler of Brunei, controls income the country receives from its oil and gas exports. Forbes estimates that his fortune, once as high as $38 billion, has been depleted to $10 billion. The Sultan's brother, Prince Jefri, squandered billions on decadent knick-knacks like Mercedes Benz fire engines and gilded toilet paper holders. Some 10,000 of these items ended up on the auction block last summer in a well-publicized fire sale to repay creditors of Amedeo, a debt-heavy private company Prince Jefri once headed.

...Rumsfeld's question -- are we killing, capturing or deterring jihadists faster than they are being produced? -- must be answered with an emphatic no.

In reviewing progress on the three fronts of this war, even the most sanguine optimist cannot yet conclude that we are winning or that we can win without some significant changes of policy.


John Lehman

Secretary of the Navy in the Reagan administration

i wonder how long it will take for this guy to get 'swiftboated' as an appeaser who doesn't 'support the troops'?

The Path to 9/11 TV program:

9/11 hits. No surprise there: “The Path to 9/11” was scripted by a conservative screenwriter named Cyrus Nowrasteh, who once took part in a panel at the right-wing Liberty Film Festival entitled “How Conservatives Can Lead Hollywood's Next Paradigm Shift.”

Link: Hirsh: Why Clinton Lost It on Fox - Newsweek Michael Hirsh - MSNBC.com

If you guys don't stop with the name calling I'm going to have to start deleting your posts. Grow up and stop acting like little kids.

Thanks, SK, but I'll be doing that.
The last few pages contain many off-topic and offensive posts.
We may start warning and suspending soon, if people won't listen to numerous polite and well-meant pms about their posting "style".

more evidence of the dereliction of duty, and the possible cover up and perjury that followed...

WASHINGTON, Oct. 2 — Members of the Sept. 11 commission said today that they were alarmed that they were told nothing about a White House meeting in July 2001 at which George J. Tenet, then the director of central intelligence, is reported to have warned Condoleezza Rice, then the national security adviser, about an imminent Al Qaeda attack and failed to persuade her to take action.

Details of the previously undisclosed meeting on July 10, 2001, two months before the Sept. 11 terror attacks, were first reported last week in a new book by the journalist Bob Woodward.

The final report from the Sept. 11 commission made no mention of the meeting nor did it suggest there had been such an encounter between Mr. Tenet and Ms. Rice, now secretary of state.

Since release of the book, “State of Denial,” the White House and Ms. Rice have disputed major elements of Mr. Woodward’s account, with Ms. Rice insisting through spokesmen that there had been no such exchange in a private meeting with Mr. Tenet and that he had expressed none of the frustration attributed to him in Mr. Woodward’s book.

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Although passages of the book suggest that Mr. Tenet was a major source for Mr. Woodward, the former intelligence director has refused to comment on the book.

Nor has there been any comment from J. Cofer Black, Mr. Tenet’s counterterrorism chief, who is reported in the book to have attended the July 10 meeting and left it frustrated by Ms. Rice’s “brush-off” of the warnings.

He is quoted as saying, “The only thing we didn’t do was pull the trigger to the gun we were holding to her head.” Mr. Black did not return calls left at the security firm Blackwater, which he joined last year.

The book says that Mr. Tenet hurriedly organized the meeting — calling ahead from his car as it traveled to the White House — because he wanted to “shake Rice” into persuading the president to respond to dire intelligence warnings that summer about a terrorist strike. Mr. Woodward writes that Mr. Tenet left the meeting frustrated because “they were not getting through to Rice.”

The disclosures took members of the bipartisan Sept. 11 commission by surprise last week. Some questioned whether information about the July 10 meeting was intentionally withheld from the panel.

9/11 Panel Members Weren’t Told of Meeting - New York Times

20 posts removed for being crap, insulting and totally off topic.

Originally Posted by raycarey

i wonder how long it will take for this guy to get 'swiftboated' as an appeaser who doesn't 'support the troops'?

So you wonder about things too?

Huh? Well at least someone is reading them to delete them.

the cover up of the dereliction of duty is starting to come out.

White House and State Department officials [Friday] confirmed that the July 10 meeting took place, although they took issue with Woodward's portrayal of its results. State Department spokesman Sean McCormack, responding on behalf of Rice, said Tenet and Black had never publicly expressed any frustration with her response."'This is the first time these thoughts and feelings associated with that meeting have been expressed,' McCormack said. 'People are free to revise and extend their remarks, but that is certainly not the story that was told to the 9/11 commission.'"

That's not much of a defense for a potential cover-up -- saying that no one had ever mentioned it before.

And yet, in a Saturday press release entitled " Five Key Myths in Bob Woodward's Book ," the full extent of the White House's refutation was to quote McCormack.

On Sunday, White House counselor Dan Bartlett issued a new rebuttal on ABC's "This Week with George Stephanopoulos." Here's the video ; here's the transcript .

Speaking for Rice, Bartlett said: "I spoke to her this morning. She believes this is a very grossly mis-accurate characterization of the meeting they had."

Stephanopoulos: "So this didn't happen?"

And here's the money quote from Bartlett: "That's Secretary Rice's view, that that type of urgent request to go after bin Laden, as the book alleges, in her mind, didn't happen."

Get that? In her mind, it didn't happen.

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And a month later, as Ron Suskind reported in his book, "The One Percent Doctrine," an unnamed CIA briefer flew to Bush's Texas ranch to call the president's attention personally to the now-famous Aug. 6, 2001, memo titled 'Bin Laden Determined to Strike in U.S.' According to Suskind, Bush heard the briefer out and replied: "All right. You've covered your ass, now."

White House Briefing -- News on President George W Bush and the Bush Administration - washingtonpost.com

if memory serves, rice was adamant about NOT testifying under oath.

if the dems take back the house, this is what will be invesitigated, and condi's political future will be over..........if it isn't already.

I don't think Condi wants to run for office. I think she's going to be a good capitalist like Chomsky and write books and make $ 15,000 a pop for speaking engagements.

Originally Posted by kerux

ray,

I had you down for a little more sophistication than this:

five years ago, extremists attacked the US and killed approx. 3000 americans.

I guess the non-Americans (as in non-US citizens) killed that day don't really matter, eh?

Originally Posted by kerux

ray,

I had you down for a little more sophistication than this:

five years ago, extremists attacked the US and killed approx. 3000 americans.

the alleged engineer of the attacks remains at large.

I'm not going to read through every page, but does everyone here adhere to the 'Ofiicial Version?'

And please, don't jump to any conclusions, I'm just asking a simple question.

With GWB in the office it is hard to believe anything, I mean the guy doesn't even know his enemies. There are times that he say Americans and America is totally safe and suddenly America is on high alert. WTF??

Man did you see how OReilly got being brutally owned on Letterman show ? what a prick. OReilly that is.

Letterman vs O'Reilly

whiteshiva...that was an error on my part.

butterfly...i saw that letterman clip a couple of months ago and it was fantastic. thanks for reminding me of it by posting the link! i really enjoyed the part where letterman says (paraphrasing).... 60% of what you say is complete crap!