Jewish Zionist Groups Attack Obama

**DrB0b** · 26-08-2009, 07:21 AM

Originally Posted by Muadib

It's a bit pedantic to squabble over the differentiation between Israeli and Jewish, as technically there would be no Israel without Jewish people... Israel was founded as the homeland of the Jewish people... Do you think it is possible to separate the nation of Israel from the Jewish people in the eyes of the world???

Muadib. Milkman changed the wording of the article. That's my point. It has NOTHING to do with the differences between Israeli and Jewish, it has everything to with Milkman changing the wording of the newspaper article he quoted.

**DrB0b** · 26-08-2009, 07:23 AM

Originally Posted by Milkman

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Originally Posted by Muadib

Israeli = Jewish... To most folks the terms are synonymous... I'm actually surprised that only 76% of Israelis are Jewish...

Religion in Israel is a central feature of the country and plays a major role in shaping Israeli culture and lifestyle. Israel is the only country in the world where a majority of citizens are Jewish. According to the Israel Central Bureau of Statistics, the population in 2005 was 76.1% Jewish, 16.2% Muslim, 2.1% Christian, and 1.6% Druze, with the remaining 4.0% not classified by religion.[1]

Maybe so, but what does that have to do with editing a newspaper article to change the wording? I don't care whether Israelis and Jews are the same thing (though as you can see from your own post they're not). I do care about people posting newspaper articles that they've doctored. This is not about whether Jews and Israelis are the same thing, it's about Milkman taking a newspaper article from the paper's website and changing the wording.

Semantic detour, my ass, Milkman. I was going to let this drop because you admitted you changed the title of the article and said you'd fix it but now you're trying to wriggle out of it again. Changing newspaper articles to reflect your point of view is dishonest. And saying that the change doesn't matter because you think the words have the same meaning makes no sense, why change the wording at all in that case?

I never changed the title of the article. The thread title was different than the article, but I usually do not copy the title of articles on a thread, verbatim.

I'll change it now.

You sure are adament about the title of the thread in relation to the title of the article.

Why is this? You've never noted it before.

The title of the newspaper article you cut and pasted. You falsified that. I don't give a damn about the title of the thread.

This, in red, is not the real title - you changed it.

Jewish groups accuse Obama of promoting 'ethnic cleansing'

Pro-Israel lobby says White House demands over settlements should be viewed as anti-semitic and a danger to security

Hardline pro-Israel groups in the US have been confronting President Barack Obama's demands for a halt to settlement expansion by accusing him of promoting the ethnic cleansing of Jews and jeopardising Israel's security.

**barbaro** · 26-08-2009, 07:25 AM

^ I never falsified the artilce!

Click the link!

It is word for word!

Also, I changed the title to "Zionist Jew Organization Attack Obama."

Are you happy now?

You definitely sound like a Jew, whether you are a Zionist or not. That is why you are mucking up this thread and making false accusations.

**Muadib** · 26-08-2009, 07:25 AM

**DrB0b** · 26-08-2009, 07:26 AM

Fok me, Milkman. You're thick. I give up.

**DrB0b** · 26-08-2009, 07:29 AM

Originally Posted by Milkman

^ I never falsified the artilce!

Click the link!

It is word for word!

Also, I changed the title to "Zionist Jew Organization Attack Obama."

Are you happy now?

You definitely sound like a Jew, whether you are a Zionist or not. That is why you are mucking up this thread and making false accusations.

Your link is broken. Here's the original title of the newspaper article, can you spot the difference, I've already explained it several times.

Pro-Israel groups accuse Obama of promoting 'ethnic cleansing'

Pro-Israel groups accuse Obama of promoting 'ethnic cleansing' | World news | The Guardian

**barbaro** · 26-08-2009, 07:30 AM

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Fok me, Milkman. You're thick. I give up.

I don't have a Ph.D in Nazism like you do, DrB0b.

"You're thick. I give up." That's not a good response.

I rarely discuss the Israeli-Pali issue and the US lobbying, but when I rarely do, and when anyone does, people come out of the woodword and muck up the thread.

Instead of focusing on the thread, it often goes way off topic.

**DrB0b** · 26-08-2009, 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by Milkman

Originally Posted by DrB0b

Fok me, Milkman. You're thick. I give up.

I don't have a Ph.D in Nazism like you do, DrB0b.

"You're thick give up." That's not a good response.

I rarely discuss the Israeli-Pali issue and the US lobbying, but when I rarely do, and when anyone does, people come out of the woodword and muck up the thread.

Instead of focusing on the thread, it often goes way off topic.

Milky, I did ask you if you'd changed the words Pro-Israeli to Pro-Jewish in the article. You said you had. If you hadn't then there's no problem but please do me the favour of reading posts properly before you reply to them, it would be much less confusing all round.

**sabang** · 26-08-2009, 07:41 AM

Between Healthcare reform and getting to Palestinian statehood, Obama is against two of the most powerful, and ruthless, Lobby alliances in the US. For that matter, the NRA is none too fond of him either.

You can see the insidious tactics employed by these pricks in the sort of absurd rhetoric their PR machines employ- 'Ethnic cleansing', 'Death Panels' and so on. Amazingly some people fall for it too, although in the main I suspect it is just people using the inflammatory rhetoric to support their positions- I find it hard to believe the aveerage American would be that naive, or stupid.

Anyhow, one of Obamas pre-election pledges was that he would be doing something about these Lobbyists, and their ridiculous influence and access to the capitol. Good luck.

**Jet Gorgon** · 26-08-2009, 10:25 PM

Dr Bob, Milkie apologised. It's great you point out discrepancies, but once is enough. You've been assiduously fact-checking on several threads now. That is commendable, but FFS, this is a forum, not the Cato Institute. Chill, brother, chill.

**majid** · 26-08-2009, 10:32 PM

Hold posters feet to the fire on issues regarding veracity and dishonesty, Dr Bob.

Especially the joo phobes, retards and racists.

Nice catch here!

**barbaro** · 26-08-2009, 10:44 PM

^ Israeli Jewish Zionism is not about "joo phobes" whatever that means.

As I said, I rarely post about the Israeli-Pali issue, but when I do or someone else does, these people come out of the woodwork and cry "Anti-Semitism" or "anti-Jewish" sentiment.

It's not working.

Dan · 26-08-2009, 10:59 PM

Well, if you're conflating Israeli and Jew, it's not that surprising.

**majid** · 26-08-2009, 11:09 PM

You skewed the title to support your bias. Twice! Points of with a warning to improve by midterm or you are in danger of failing.

**Jet Gorgon** · 27-08-2009, 12:54 AM

Originally Posted by majid

You skewed the title to support your bias. Twice! Points of with a warning to improve by midterm or you are in danger of failing.

^ If you have nothing but libbie, biased hatred to add to the forum, fek off.

**barbaro** · 27-08-2009, 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by majid

You skewed the title to support your bias. Twice! Points of with a warning to improve by midterm or you are in danger of failing.

It was not intentional. Yes, it was not a good move, but it wasn't intentional.

There is a difference between the term "Jewish" and "Zionist" But I do use them interchangeablely, especially when it comes to AIPAC and the ADL.

IMO, when it comes to AIPAC and the ADL both "Jewish" and "Zionist" are fair game.

Am I biased toward one position over the other? Yes.

For a couple of years I've noted that I think the US should not kow-tow to AIPAC, the ADL, or Israel, and aid should be cut-off to Israel ($2 billion per year for American weapons and arms + $1 billion for anything the Israeli gov wants to spend it one.

Also, I changed my opinion when the US expressly shipped cluster bombs to Israel to use in Lebanon in 2006.

I have changed my opinion towards Zionist and Israel.

As noted before, I just finished reading Beyond Chutzpah by Norman Finklestein and recommend it to anyone who follows this issue.

I am no fan of Hezbollah and Hamas, but what is occurring in Gaza in particular has led me to oppose Zionism.

If you or anyone disagree, please do so, and stick to the topic. This entire thread has gotten off-track.

**barbaro** · 27-08-2009, 01:24 AM

Here are some more links. I won't try to explain them. Enjoy.

UN demands probe into Israel's strikes on Gaza schools - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

UN demands Israel compensation for strikes in Gaza

BBC NEWS | Middle East | Strike at Gaza school 'kills 30'

The Israeli military levels Palestinian owned shops in northern West Bank - International Middle East Media Center

Director of Wiesenthal Center calls for starving Palestinian children

Jewish settlers burn Palestinian crops :: www.uruknet.info :: informazione dall'Iraq occupato :: news from occupied Iraq :: [ - it - 56046]

Beating And Torturing Palestinian Children By Jonathan Cook

Flyer Download - Israeli Soldiers Slaughter Helpless Animals In Gaza Zoo | The Official Website of Representative David Duke, PhD

Gaza and Israel conflict phosphorus shells

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